On Friday 07 September 2007 18:28, Benji Weber wrote:

On 08/09/2007, Kai Ponte wrote:

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I'm getting kind of tired of fighting Java for one of my apps. Since most of my staff is C# trained, I'm thinking it is time to switch and leverage their knowledge.

Anybody know of a good IDE for Mono? I know there's the MonoDevelop editor, but I've yet to find an IDE out there.

In what way is monodevelop not an IDE? It has things such as editor, code completion, graphical GTK# designer, graphical winforms designer (partially), graphical asp.net designer, debugger, etc etc.

It now has a GUI designer? Oh. That's the sign of an IDE for me. I'll install it and give it another look. the only other thing I'd seen is Stetic (http://www.mono-project.com/Stetic) but haven't seen any examples of real use. -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 11/09/2007, Michel Salim wrote:

On 07/09/2007, Kai Ponte wrote:

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It now has a GUI designer? Oh.

That's the sign of an IDE for me. I'll install it and give it another look. the only other thing I'd seen is Stetic (http://www.mono-project.com/Stetic) but haven't seen any examples of real use.

That's a rather narrow definition. That would mean early versions of Eclipse are not IDE -- no GUI designer. Even now, the GUI designer (Visual Editor) is optional, and actually is not yet available for the latest release.

I'd personally draw the line between programmer's editor and IDE at code completion. Also, IDEs tend to support less languages better, while editors support more languages (easier to write plugins) less well (the plugins offer less features)

Even vim has code completion http://benjiweber.co.uk/screenshots/omnicomplete2.png . Does that make it an IDE? ;) _ Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 09 September 2007 03:25, Eberhard Roloff wrote:

Kai Ponte wrote:

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I'm getting kind of tired of fighting Java for one of my apps. Since most of my staff is C# trained, I'm thinking it is time to switch and leverage their knowledge.

Anybody know of a good IDE for Mono? I know there's the MonoDevelop editor, but I've yet to find an IDE out there.

http://www.gotmono.com/docs/ide/eclipse.html

Oh, that's funny! I actually started the project I'm doing in Eclipse, but gave up because the tool didn't have a GUI editor and the third-party tool I was attempting to use (http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/) would crash always in Linux. In any case, I tried making a simple GUI with Monodevelop. I was stopped after trying to add custom icons to the toolbar. The icons were added to the project but then somehow not found. My search for a tutorial on how to do this turned up nothing. I wonder if one couldn't use the Glade tool to generate something then open it in monodevelop... -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 01:14, G T Smith wrote:

Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Sunday 09 September 2007 03:25, Eberhard Roloff wrote:

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Kai Ponte wrote:

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I'm getting kind of tired of fighting Java for one of my apps. Since most of my staff is C# trained, I'm thinking it is time to switch and leverage their knowledge.

Anybody know of a good IDE for Mono? I know there's the MonoDevelop editor, but I've yet to find an IDE out there.

http://www.gotmono.com/docs/ide/eclipse.html

Oh, that's funny! I actually started the project I'm doing in Eclipse, but gave up because the tool didn't have a GUI editor and the third-party tool I was attempting to use (http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/) would crash always in Linux.

Am I right in thinking that the problem with Java was no GUI editor in Eclipse...

That is correct - there is (or was) no GUI editor in Eclipse.

(not sure about the latest versions but this a bit of a problem in earlier versions, as well as the rather indifferent UML support).

Bah, I don't do UML. My programmers all think I'm crazy, but I find it a waste of time. <insert discussion of programming methods here>

Actually Netbeans (community edition) does include a GUI editor (I installed this to fill this gap), not really explored this in any depth or recently as what I am currently working on is non-Java and non-GUI. Unfortunately, this is a non-RPM install.

Yes, there is a very good GUI editor in Netbeans 5.5 and (forthcoming) 6.0 that let's you build GUI apps for any OS - Mac, Wintendo, Linux, UNIX - with ease. I very much like the GUI editor in Netbeans. Using Visual Basic 3 as my benchmark for ease-of-development, I find Netbeans to be right up there. The only problem I'm having (as described on the Netbeans mailing lists) is the inability to have an item (JLabel) on one form be updated by an item on another form. I was hoping such an item would be easier in mono.net. Maybe not. ? Sorry for the off-topic portions of this post. -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org