On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Freek de Kruijf wrote:

Op dinsdag 26 april 2016 16:37:55 schreef Xen:

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Do you people know of a video editor that actually works?

I have been trying for the past few hours to do a task no more complex than cutting out a little piece of a youtube video, and I have failed thus far. Or rather, the tools have failed me once more.

Kdenlive immediately freezes when I try to play the video. I had a frozen application within 1 minute of starting it.

What version are you using? There is a KDE announcement that the newest version has a lot of improvements and bug fixes.

4:15.12.3. Maybe it was something temporary, I don't know. People say very good things about the program. I just went on and eventually tried pitivi. Pitivi is very good but not very intuitive. "If all else fails, read the manual". It was like that. I couldn't understand that the "cut" button would create clips that you could select, because there are no context menus on right mouse so there was no hint of what to do.... Personally I prefer using marks. Mark one position, mark the next position, do an operation on it. Simple. Never confusing. Delete before the mark. Copy between the marks. Delete after the mark. How hard can it be. You basically have to manually enter frame numbers that you cannot really see anywhere, then "split" the clip on that location, but the split button doesn't work straight away so after entering the frame number you have to then seek it by hand while being zoomed in enough. How I prefer to use marks... Still Pitivi looks amaaaazing but I'm just confused every step of the way. Regards. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 28/04/2016 14:48, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

things that then fail. Kdenlive is good, but then, it can not handle several audio tracks

in the same input track and in the exported video. It can handle several tracks if your goal is to mix then in only one

avidemux. But it crashes, or does not handle the second language that transparently. And many are not intuitive to use.

avidemux crashes often, but usually when one ask it to export unreliable track. It do not reconstruct frames between key frames.

I started a thread not long ago about a video problem, examining many tools. In the end, only ffmpeg worked.

In fact the windows tools I used to run do not do this either. I would like to find a solution because I would like to have the choice between two tracks in my own video (for I have several sources, none of them are perfect, each of them have good points) so, Carlos, if ever you find a solution, I'm interested. My preference would be to add this to kdenlive. It seems pretty simple. AFAIK, ffmpeg can demux any track, so after that it's easy to importa them in kdenlive, them edit. The only thing that's not done is the export to any multitrack capable format jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/28/2016 07:48 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

And then, what windows tool would you use? :-?

Pinnacle. The version, 15, I use is a bit old but it works well. We first started using it when we bought a Dazzle video capture device and it came with it. They've made many changes to the GUI since 15 but I assume it still works the same for the most part. It looks like it has one video track with the embedded audio. An "overlay track" for video and titles. A second audio track. And a music track. Mostly I just use the main video and audio tracks but have at times added a title. Has a lot of bells and whistles for your videos. It even came with a "green screen" that we've never used. It's pretty intuitive. To make a cut just position the marker where you want and click the "razor blade" move the marker to the other end and click the blade again. Highlight the section between the two cuts and delete. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. schreef op 28-04-2016 14:48:

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On 2016-04-26 16:37, Xen wrote:

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Do you people know of a video editor that actually works?

No :-(

Ha! Some answer instead of endless people all suggesting different tools ;-). I mean I've probably now heard every tool available without anyone saying whether it does the job ;-).

I have to use a myriad of tools, because many are supposed to do things that then fail. Kdenlive is good, but then, it can not handle several audio tracks, and I live in a country with several languages. Even if that were not the case, if I record something from the TV and want to remove the commercials, say, I can't without dropping either English or Spanish track. And I want both, obviously.

Gordian Knot on Windows is a tool that uses other available (open source) tools like mkvextract and avisynth and whatnot. It is hard to use. You are required to load the video and create an avisynth script out of it. Then you can set some parameters such as filters, cuts, etc. You use the tool to find the frames you want. Then you use that info. Then you execute the job and avisynth will produce an output file. (( I have had trouble loading the output on Instagram, wouldn't work. No way I could get it working. I needed a (pirated) program like Adobe MediaCC for it (media encoder). It is still on my todo list to find out how to put images/videos on Instagram using open source / free tools. )). Anyway from what I've seen, it has limited format support also. But it can process any number of streams. MKV files are often used for having multiple audio streams and subtitle streams. I wish at least the format and container support was more fully featured. But once you know how it works, it works reasonably well. Its output files play fine everywhere except on my phone.

Other tools handle many languages fine, say, Handbrake. But then, it does no edit, just convert. Other tools should be able to do it, say, avidemux. But it crashes, or does not handle the second language that transparently. And many are not intuitive to use.

Sorry state :-/ :(.

I started a thread not long ago about a video problem, examining many tools. In the end, only ffmpeg worked. But I can not remove chunks in the middle, just start and end. Except by producing two or more videos, then attempt to join the pieces. That's waiting in my to-do list. You may wish to peruse that thread for ideas :-)

Right. PiTiVi (Pitivi) seems rather limited but the developers are reasonably nice (on IRC). The program looks great but just has meagre functionality and rather hard to use even though they try to make it simplistic. Certain things like a dropdown menu with "copy, delete, cut" you just cannot simulate using more fancy tools. Seriously. Programs worked FINE FINE FINE FINE for so many years using just top-loaded dropdown-menus and then people started thinking it was not good enough. And look what we have now. Mess. Programs like Mozilla putting that configuration button in the top right NONSENSICAL. On Firefox it is okay, on Thunderbird, not so. Constantly hunting for what you need.

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Do you have any favourite tool that actually works or will I need to install wine just to use Gordian Knot? (No matter how awful?).

And then, what windows tool would you use? :-?

Like I said the only thing that was available to me was Gordian Knot. I think it is used by a lot of anime encoders and subtitlers. It is a rather popular tool on Windows. Basically the thing every hard core encoder uses, I think, unless they use something more difficult. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 29/04/2016 00:16, Xen a écrit :

It is still on my todo list to find out how to put images/videos on Instagram using open source / free tools. )).

I don't use instagram, but guess it uses html5? I found on a specialized site this command line I wrapped in a script: http://dodin.info/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Doc.UsingHtml5 AFAIK it works with any html5 browser - but no idea if it works with multi audio files

Programs like Mozilla putting that configuration button in the top right NONSENSICAL.

windows like... jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org