Just like any good hound dog, on my system beagled never stops! After the system has been idle for a few minutes beagled will start up and start burning CPU. At first I thought this was expected behavior. Then I noticed that it isn't actually doing anything and it never stops! I can tell it isn't indexing anything because the hard drive is not running and no matter how long I leave the system beagled keeps burning CPU. On my laptop this causes the fans to run on max and is just generally kind of annoying. Is there something wrong with mine or should I file a bug report? -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Lange wrote:
Is there something wrong with mine or should I file a bug report?
Yes, there's something wrong. You have beagle running. :P -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org XCJNaWNyb3NvZnQgaXNuXCd0IGV2aWwsIHRo ZXkganVzdCBtYWtlIHJlYWxseSBjcmFwcHkg b3BlcmF0aW5nIHN5c3RlbXMuXCIgLSBMaW51 cyBUb3J2YWxkcw== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 14:10 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
John Lange wrote:
Is there something wrong with mine or should I file a bug report?
Yes, there's something wrong. You have beagle running.
I Concur, BEAGLE is a tool what eats up a lot of CPU cycles. I always try to avoid to install it or get rid of it otherwise. Frans. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Friday 13 February 2009 01:00:25 pm John Lange wrote:
Just like any good hound dog, on my system beagled never stops!
After the system has been idle for a few minutes beagled will start up and start burning CPU. At first I thought this was expected behavior.
Then I noticed that it isn't actually doing anything and it never stops!
I can tell it isn't indexing anything because the hard drive is not running and no matter how long I leave the system beagled keeps burning CPU. On my laptop this causes the fans to run on max and is just generally kind of annoying.
Is there something wrong with mine or should I file a bug report?
-- John Lange www.johnlange.ca Do Like I did and just uninstall it!! System seems to work fine without it. -- Russ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:00 PM, John Lange
Just like any good hound dog, on my system beagled never stops! After the system has been idle for a few minutes beagled will start up and start burning CPU. At first I thought this was expected behavior. Then I noticed that it isn't actually doing anything and it never stops! I can tell it isn't indexing anything because the hard drive is not running and no matter how long I leave the system beagled keeps burning CPU. On my laptop this causes the fans to run on max and is just generally kind of annoying. Is there something wrong with mine or should I file a bug report?
To begin with: "Since it's under heavy development, bugs are frequently introduced and fixed" Which is basically the same thing we complained about with KDE4. It seems in the quest to add the latest crap, we've seen a comprimised distrobution. Having used SuSE for 10 years, I must say that I've found that it's less polished since it became community based. I'm saying against the community, because I believe it's for the best, I have found myself questioning the decisions being made........ http://beagle-project.org/Troubleshooting_CPU Bealge is basically a useless indexing tool like Google desktop and all the other Win varients. 95% of the users who have it have no clue it's there and they slow the system down. My advice is to uninstall it. Unless you ahve 1000's of emails and documents that you need to search through on a regular basis, it's usless. Just my 1/2 cent.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Fri, 13 Feb 2009, Larry Stotler wrote: [beagle hogging CPU]
"Since it's under heavy development, bugs are frequently introduced and fixed"
Which is basically the same thing we complained about with KDE4. It seems in the quest to add the latest crap, we've seen a comprimised distrobution. Having used SuSE for 10 years, I must say that I've found that it's less polished since it became community based.
If you've been using SUSE[0] for 10 years, do you remember early KDE3 versions? Early KDE2 versions? Early KDE1 versions? ALL of them were Krap[tm]. KDE 1.1.2 was the first (and ISTR last) usable KDE1 version. Incidentally, on my old and still main box[3]: $ rpm -qf /opt/kde/bin/startkde kbase-1.1.2-156 (and that was an update) So go figure. I might have liked later KDE 1 versions. But ... ISTR KDE2 took about a year after 2.0.0 (2.2.x?) to be useful. So (shut up already[1] and) please don't blame KDE's dysfunctionality on SuSE. It seems to be typical for KDE to be still unusable for quite a while after a x.0 version. Basically, you can use the last (few) x-1 version(s) before the next x.0 major release, or so it seems to me. If you happen to like KDE, generally speaking. Oh, yes, I do strongly oppose openSUSE defaulting to new KDE versions, though I don't care, as I neither like nor use KDE at all[2], except for troubleshooting other people's problems (and once in a while to confirm it's still Krap[tm] and barely Krawling[tm]). Would I not need to look things up at times, I'd (grudingly) only have the libs needed for (basically) a few apps and a couple of games installed on the newer box with openSUSE 11.1. As a matter of fact, I (grudgingly) got a bit more than that, for looking-things-up purposes. I can't argue with not enough diskspace[4]. ;) (Gnome? Nahhh, same shit, different flavour, but generally more stable, which is why I tend to prefer to run GTK (or Gnome) apps over QT/KDE apps. Don't like the desktop either.) Oh, and concerning "compromised" distributions: remember 6.0 and 6.1? Or 6.3 or 7.0? Can't quite remember the "fuzz" about later 7.x, the 8.x and 9.x series. 9.x had IIRC some quite serious issues. I'd say many of those were at least as "compromised" as any "openSUSE" version thus far. Oh, and yes, 6.2 had some serious flaws, too. I know. I had to fix them on this very same installation. Least of all, the kernel compiled with the Intel-MTRR bugfix, which was falsely activated on Athlons, and thus prevented booting. SuSE very quickly provided a corrected kernel. Go on, go dig a bit in the ML Archives ;) -dnh, using WindowMaker since Jan. 2002 (as it appears looking at my ~/GNUstep*, or earlier). PS: no, this time, the sig is not random ;) [0] in whatever spelling [1] SCNR [2] a random datapoint: on my old box[3], XFree86 3.3.6 + WMaker take less than 6s to start. On the new box[4], Xorg 7.x + WMaker take about 16s to start (mostly due to the slow-starting Xorg). Also on the new box, Xorg 7.x + KDE3.5 takes at least 60s (more like 90 -- have to time it one of these days). And I think I don't wanna know what KDE3.5 would take on the old box. Oh, and that's KDE without any Krap[tm] like animations and CPU-hogging frills. [3] Athlon 500 (500 MHz), 320 MB PC-100 SDRAM, IDE/UDMA66 disks (quite enough of oomph and RAM. I got typically 150-200 MB RAM used as Buffers+Cache, with rarely much swapped out (usually browser (cache-)junk or when I'm in a large NG with leafnode/tin (each needing >80 MB))). It happily runs my day-to-day stuff, like XEmacs, mutt (large MBoxen (this one is currently at 95MB and no sweat, mutt uses <24 MB RAM)), tin+leafnode, a more or less current seamonkey (previously mozilla, with a couple of extensions/addons (Prefbar, NoScript, AdBlock)), various games, and whatnot. i.e. this box is "(mostly) fast enough". [4] Athlon64 X2 3800+ (2x2.0 GHz), 1 GB PC2-6400 SDRAM, SATA2 disks (mucho RAM. Typically ~200 MB used, 800 MB used as Buffers+Cache, almost nothing swapped). It's about 8 times as fast as [3] (e.g. when encoding stuff with mencoder and the x264 codec). Purpose: Numbercruncer (encoding), fileserver (currently 7.8TiB (formatted), 8.5TB nominally), and gamestation ;) -- "No, it's not clunky. It's as slick as Gnome. It's just that it's FUCKING HIDEOUS. I'm thinking of a multicoloured clown car with functionality. In between the musical horn that's too loud, the custard pie thrower and the complimentary box of Whizzo chocolates." -- Red Drag Diva, on KDE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:00 AM, David Haller
If you've been using SUSE[0] for 10 years, do you remember early KDE3 versions? Early KDE2 versions? Early KDE1 versions? ALL of them were Krap[tm]. KDE 1.1.2 was the first (and ISTR last) usable KDE1 version. Incidentally, on my old and still main box[3]:
Having used SuSE since v5.3, I'm amazed at how many people act like all those old versions were so bad. I guess it's like now with KDE4. Some people can run and use KDE4 with no issue, while I've had nothing but problems. Maybe I've just switched roles now.
Oh, and concerning "compromised" distributions: remember 6.0 and 6.1? Or 6.3 or 7.0? Can't quite remember the "fuzz" about later 7.x, the 8.x and 9.x series. 9.x had IIRC some quite serious issues. I'd say many of those were at least as "compromised" as any "openSUSE" version thus far. Oh, and yes, 6.2 had some serious flaws, too. I know. I had to fix them on this very same installation. Least of all, the kernel compiled with the Intel-MTRR bugfix, which was falsely activated on Athlons, and thus prevented booting. SuSE very quickly provided a corrected kernel.
Since I didn't have a high speed connection until 2003, I can't say much about the vuls.(yes, not everyone had access to it. I used dialup for about 15 years). I didn't see a point in wasting my dialup time(at 28.8 IF I was lucky) to download all the updates. I'd prefer an unpatched Linux system to a fully patched WinDoze box any day. I do currently have 7.3 installed on a Powerbook G3, and it runs just fine. I was very impressed with how well it runs considering the fact that 11.0 was slow as molassass. However, I don't use too many apps, and I dislike slow stuff like openoffice. I could load my copy of SuSE 5.3 on a Pentium 100(which is what I staretd on with 32MB RAM), and if it had an updated browser, I'd have no problems. I never had a lot of problems with the different KDEs that so many seem to have. However, I used KPersonalizer to turn off all the eye candy, so maybe that's my advantage. Which is also why I've been requesting that they bring it back. Eye candy is something that can make a fast machine a dog. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 13 February 2009 07:57:51 pm Larry Stotler wrote:
Unless you ahve 1000's of emails and documents
For emails KMail has pretty fast search that you can invoke with key "s", or from drop down menu Edit - Find Messages. Documents are small problem. The main problem with Beagle is its index archive. It is huge. I haven't used it recently, but last time in its default configuration it was unable to find things that I know they are there, so I removed it from the system. I can see usage for desktop search programs, but one should have good setup wizard with a lot of potential questions explained, to make such program useful. Just setting default to index all, or nothing, or something else without notifying user, and explanation of reasons why that selection and not some other, is not very helpful to those users that need program. Those that can fiddle with configurations are usually organized and don't need Beagle, or any other desktop search. Another problem is that current implementation of data storage in any desktop is file system based. It is asking user for file name and its location in file system. Currently Beagle is just a patch on retrieval side. Real solution would be to have storage and retrieval hadled by single program, so there would be no need to search for files and index them after they stored. If one solution would be used: - indexing can be done in the time file has to be stored, - program can optimize file storage and retrieval for particular file system, - index can be structured and restructured for optimal speed - users can forget files system Particular problem for automatic indexing are non textual files, like images. Something like this can help: http://labs.ideeinc.com/multicolr#colors=9aba4c; -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 13 February 09, John Lange wrote:
Just like any good hound dog, on my system beagled never stops!
After the system has been idle for a few minutes beagled will start up and start burning CPU. At first I thought this was expected behavior.
Then I noticed that it isn't actually doing anything and it never stops!
I can tell it isn't indexing anything because the hard drive is not running and no matter how long I leave the system beagled keeps burning CPU. On my laptop this causes the fans to run on max and is just generally kind of annoying.
Is there something wrong with mine or should I file a bug report?
-- John Lange www.johnlange.ca
Just like a real beagle, it's impossibly stubborn, and untrainable. The real problem is that it's written in Mono. Mono is a reimplementation of C#. Unlike real languages, which have a purpose to solve problems in a manner which is efficient as possible, C# is written (by MS) for the purpose of burning up resources (like CPU cycles), so as to cause the computer owner to replace their current computer with a new one (thus generating another sale for MS Windows). Hope that helps. C# is an abortion Mono is a reimplementation of an abortion. Beagle is an app written in a reimplementation of an abortion. -- As the Founding Fathers knew well, a government that does not trust its honest, law-abiding, taxpaying citizens with the means of self-defense, is not itself worthy of trust. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 23:46 -0600, JB2 wrote:
On 13 February 09, John Lange wrote:
Just like any good hound dog, on my system beagled never stops!
After the system has been idle for a few minutes beagled will start up and start burning CPU. At first I thought this was expected behavior.
Then I noticed that it isn't actually doing anything and it never stops!
I can tell it isn't indexing anything because the hard drive is not running and no matter how long I leave the system beagled keeps burning CPU. On my laptop this causes the fans to run on max and is just generally kind of annoying.
Is there something wrong with mine or should I file a bug report?
What are your system specs? If you have a reasonably new system, Beagle should be running OK. You definitely shouldn't be getting system slowdowns from Beagle on modern hardware. The Beagle indexer could be getting caught up on a file. Proprietary files, like Word docs, etc. tend to do this the most. I know this was a problem in the early days of Beagle in SUSE but I'm not sure if it's much of an issue anymore. The Beagle Project has a page that you can look at about these issues: http://beagle-project.org/Troubleshooting_CPU
Just like a real beagle, it's impossibly stubborn, and untrainable.
The real problem is that it's written in Mono. Mono is a reimplementation of C#. Unlike real languages, which have a purpose to solve problems in a manner which is efficient as possible, C# is written (by MS) for the purpose of burning up resources (like CPU cycles), so as to cause the computer owner to replace their current computer with a new one (thus generating another sale for MS Windows).
Hope that helps.
C# is an abortion Mono is a reimplementation of an abortion. Beagle is an app written in a reimplementation of an abortion.
BTW, John: there seem to be some people with almost religious hatred of
anything Mono based. I tend to ignore them unless they actually present
some facts and arguments instead of just calling things names ;-)
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Kevin Dupuy
BTW, John: there seem to be some people with almost religious hatred of anything Mono based. I tend to ignore them unless they actually present some facts and arguments instead of just calling things names ;-)
If I actually used any mono apps, maybe I wouldn't argue against it, but I have seen no apps that I have any interest in running. IMO, things like Beagle should NOT be installed by default and/or there should be some kind of checklist for them. Like I have pointed out before, in my experience as a paid computer tech, 95% of my customers have no clue that they have a search tool installed. And, they are glad when it's gone because they can make use of there system since it's nowhere near as slow. Even Nero includes a stinking desktop search tool now. What a waste. I can't believe how many times I have found 4 or 5 tools installed and all running at the same time. And, now with 11.1, there was another tool that is loaded by default that evidently can't be removed if you are using KDE4. That's just another reason to avoid KDE4. Reusable frameworks are great IF you use a lot of programs that make use of them. The only gtk app I run is firefox, and I wouldn't run it if Konquerer was better as a browser. I don't run any mono programs. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:03:33 Larry Stotler wrote:
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And, now with 11.1, there was another tool that is loaded by default that evidently can't be removed if you are using KDE4. That's just another reason to avoid KDE4.
I presume you're talking about Strigi/Nepomuk? You *can* uninstall strigi quite easily (the desktop search part) and Nepomuk "semantic desktop" can be switched off (i.e. disabled) via the KDE "Personal Settings Configure Desktop", Advanced Settings tab. I too have no need for desktop searches so I shot the dog very early in the piece (when still on 10.3) and got rid of the KDE4 equivalent too. Rodney. -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================
On Sun, 2009-02-15 at 12:33 -0500, Larry Stotler wrote:
If I actually used any mono apps, maybe I wouldn't argue against it, but I have seen no apps that I have any interest in running.
Not sure about the KDE side, but on GNOME we've got Banshee (www.banshee-project.org), F-Spot (www.f-spot.org), Tomboy (http://projects.gnome.org/tomboy/ and more. These are extremely professional and absolutely great apps, and they run on Mono.
IMO, things like Beagle should NOT be installed by default and/or there should be some kind of checklist for them. Like I have pointed out before, in my experience as a paid computer tech, 95% of my customers have no clue that they have a search tool installed.
I understand that but when it;s pointed out to users, many take the opportunity to use them. IN addition, in openSUSE we've got a large badge on the main menu that says "Search"... something even Vista doesn't do right. In addition, even on my old laptop which just barely meets the System Requirements on the openSUSE 11.1 box, Beagle didn't make the computer noticeably slower I've seen people complain about Beagle's performance, then they have a computer that is at the bare minimum processor and memory to meet the Sys Req. for openSUSE.
Reusable frameworks are great IF you use a lot of programs that make use of them. The only gtk app I run is firefox, and I wouldn't run it if Konquerer was better as a browser. I don't run any mono programs.
As I said, for KDE Mono is a different story, as I do believe Beagle is
the only Mono app. But for GNOME at least, without Mono based apps I
couldn't listen to my music and podcasts or handle my photos nearly as
well as I can now.
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Kevin Dupuy
Not sure about the KDE side, but on GNOME we've got Banshee (www.banshee-project.org), F-Spot (www.f-spot.org), Tomboy (http://projects.gnome.org/tomboy/ and more. These are extremely professional and absolutely great apps, and they run on Mono.
And that is probably true, but I have never used any of them, and have no plans to use any of them either.
I understand that but when it;s pointed out to users, many take the opportunity to use them. IN addition, in openSUSE we've got a large badge on the main menu that says "Search"... something even Vista doesn't do right. In addition, even on my old laptop which just barely meets the System Requirements on the openSUSE 11.1 box, Beagle didn't make the computer noticeably slower I've seen people complain about Beagle's performance, then they have a computer that is at the bare minimum processor and memory to meet the Sys Req. for openSUSE.
What do you consider to be bare minimum? I have a Thinkpad with a P3/700 and 384MB(Max). My powerbook G3 has a G3/266 and 320MB RAM, It really wasn't able to run 11.0 with a GUI. When you get right down to it, it's a non-essential program that the majority of user MAY feel they can make use of, but that MOST have no idea that it's even there. And, so long as Beagle creates problems for even 10% of the usersif that's the case), then it's a problem that needs to be addressed.
As I said, for KDE Mono is a different story, as I do believe Beagle is the only Mono app. But for GNOME at least, without Mono based apps I couldn't listen to my music and podcasts or handle my photos nearly as well as I can now.
Try MPlayer. It will run anything. I was even able to play my friend's iTunes music over his network from his windows system. I would remove Xine and Kaffine if they weren't so many firggin dependencies for them. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
meets the System Requirements on the openSUSE 11.1 box, Beagle didn't make the computer noticeably slower I've seen people complain about Beagle's performance, then they have a computer that is at the bare minimum processor and memory to meet the Sys Req. for openSUSE.
I notice when Beagle runs on my computer... I have an AMD Athlon X2 6400+ with 4GB of RAM. I also notice when Strigi/Nepomuk runs. Well.. I noticed, past tense.. I removed Beagle.. was wondering what was chewing up my CPU and killing performance... removed Strigi and things returned to normal. Anyway, I wouldn't say that my setup is bare minimum... and I DO notice when Beagle runs... even after I let it exist for a week or more.... the only time I was able to get Beagle to exist on my system was after I had gone into the settings and restricted it to a single directory with virtually nothing in it.... and this was all discussed on the mailing list before... everyone suggesting this and that... tweak twiddle futz... it was easier just to remove it, and I will continue to do so as long as that app continues to be a default instead of an option like it should be. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 23:46 -0600, JB2 wrote:
On 13 February 09, John Lange wrote:
Just like any good hound dog, on my system beagled never stops!
After the system has been idle for a few minutes beagled will start up and start burning CPU. At first I thought this was expected behavior.
Then I noticed that it isn't actually doing anything and it never stops!
I can tell it isn't indexing anything because the hard drive is not running and no matter how long I leave the system beagled keeps burning CPU. On my laptop this causes the fans to run on max and is just generally kind of annoying.
Is there something wrong with mine or should I file a bug report?
What are your system specs? If you have a reasonably new system, Beagle should be running OK. You definitely shouldn't be getting system slowdowns from Beagle on modern hardware.
The Beagle indexer could be getting caught up on a file. Proprietary files, like Word docs, etc. tend to do this the most. I know this was a problem in the early days of Beagle in SUSE but I'm not sure if it's much of an issue anymore.
The Beagle Project has a page that you can look at about these issues: http://beagle-project.org/Troubleshooting_CPU
Just like a real beagle, it's impossibly stubborn, and untrainable.
The real problem is that it's written in Mono. Mono is a reimplementation of C#. Unlike real languages, which have a purpose to solve problems in a manner which is efficient as possible, C# is written (by MS) for the purpose of burning up resources (like CPU cycles), so as to cause the computer owner to replace their current computer with a new one (thus generating another sale for MS Windows).
Hope that helps.
C# is an abortion Mono is a reimplementation of an abortion. Beagle is an app written in a reimplementation of an abortion.
BTW, John: there seem to be some people with almost religious hatred of anything Mono based. I tend to ignore them unless they actually present some facts and arguments instead of just calling things names ;-)
I tend to ignore them as well. Yes, we have Java and mono is a clone of Java, but it works. Of course, I have systems running on MS.NET (C#) handling 300K+ transactions per day running on Windows NT 2003 Workstations. I don't think mono.net is better or worse than any other JIT system out there. It depends on how the given application is implemented. You can have bad code in C as easily as in mono. Keep in mind, Beagle is an indexing tool It runs to index the metadata on all files in a file system. That takes a lot of disk io and a lot of resources. Much more than an email client or your average browser.. -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org XCJNaWNyb3NvZnQgaXNuXCd0IGV2aWwsIHRo ZXkganVzdCBtYWtlIHJlYWxseSBjcmFwcHkg b3BlcmF0aW5nIHN5c3RlbXMuXCIgLSBMaW51 cyBUb3J2YWxkcw== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2009-02-15 at 10:09 -0600, Kevin Dupuy wrote:
Is there something wrong with mine or should I file a bug report?
What are your system specs? If you have a reasonably new system, Beagle should be running OK. You definitely shouldn't be getting system slowdowns from Beagle on modern hardware.
I never said anything about system slowdowns and yes this is modern hardware; an HP 8510p laptop (2Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo). The problem is it runs when the machine is idle, burns high CPU causing the system fans to come on and isn't doing anything (which is obvious since the disk isn't turning so it can't be indexing). As soon as I move the mouse or touch the keyboard it stops so it doesn't cause any problems when I'm actually using the system.
The Beagle indexer could be getting caught up on a file. Proprietary files, like Word docs, etc. tend to do this the most. I know this was a problem in the early days of Beagle in SUSE but I'm not sure if it's much of an issue anymore.
In OpenSUSE 10.x I always just un-installed it because it really was crap but I'm trying not to do that this time because I believe in the concept of "desktop search" and if it ever works properly it could be very useful. One of the first packages I tend to install on SUSE is findutils-locate which I use often so at least in theory, desktop search should be better.
The Beagle Project has a page that you can look at about these issues: http://beagle-project.org/Troubleshooting_CPU
I may send it a signal and see if it logs anything useful. If nothing else, I learned from this thread that people have strong feelings about beagle.... wow.. I had no idea it was _that_ touchy a subject ;) Regards, -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:16 PM, John Lange
If nothing else, I learned from this thread that people have strong feelings about beagle.... wow.. I had no idea it was _that_ touchy a subject ;)
There are a lot of things that are touchy unfortunately. While I see possible value in a desktop search tool, I have found that the majority of my customers haven't a clue that they have one or know anything about using it. Your situation is a little different, but I agree that I wouldn't want my laptop running 100% like that. Does it do it when it's on battery or just when it's on ac? That might help them narrow it down. My issue with a lot of the new stuff they have added is that I rely on older hardware(like this thinkpad x21 I am using now - P3/700/384MB). I have looked at the new netbooks, but have found that this machine's benefits far outweigh the netbooks(bigger 4/3 screen, larger keyboard, just slightly heavier, but almost as fast in most cases). Most web pages are vertical, not horizontal, and a netbook feels very cramped to say the least. Later -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2009-02-17 at 16:16 -0600, John Lange wrote:
What are your system specs? If you have a reasonably new system, Beagle should be running OK. You definitely shouldn't be getting system slowdowns from Beagle on modern hardware.
I never said anything about system slowdowns and yes this is modern hardware; an HP 8510p laptop (2Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo).
The problem is it runs when the machine is idle, burns high CPU causing the system fans to come on and isn't doing anything (which is obvious since the disk isn't turning so it can't be indexing).
As soon as I move the mouse or touch the keyboard it stops so it doesn't cause any problems when I'm actually using the system.
It's probably a bug in one of the backends, hanging on some file - like the next comment said:
The Beagle indexer could be getting caught up on a file. Proprietary files, like Word docs, etc. tend to do this the most. I know this was a problem in the early days of Beagle in SUSE but I'm not sure if it's much of an issue anymore. ... The Beagle Project has a page that you can look at about these issues: http://beagle-project.org/Troubleshooting_CPU
I may send it a signal and see if it logs anything useful.
It might be problematic to do it, as if you touch a key it will stop :-?
If nothing else, I learned from this thread that people have strong feelings about beagle.... wow.. I had no idea it was _that_ touchy a subject ;)
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Larry Stotler wrote:
Bealge is basically a useless indexing tool like Google desktop and all the other Win varients. 95% of the users who have it have no clue it's there and they slow the system down. My advice is to uninstall it. Unless you ahve 1000's of emails and documents that you need to search through on a regular basis, it's usless.
Sorry to be in discord but Beagle don't work at all in my openSUSE 11.1 + KDE 4.2, and I miss it so much. I remember openSUSE 10.3 and 11.0 with KDE 3.5, I could find everything just asking it to the little dog, It was one of the best tools that openSUSE brought to desktop users. But, I think that the idea of Beagle is great, but not the implementation, first of all because the gnome people keeps trying to marrie with Microsoft and its .NET crap. I would like that KDE team make something like Beagle "nativily" for our KDE. I always try to have in order all my documents and files, but with kerry in openSUSE 10.3 or 11.0 was so impressive to find them. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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