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Geek Boi

13 Apr 2002 13 Apr '02

23:56

On Thursday 11 April 2002 02:51 am, Ralph F. De Witt wrote:

Just noticed that the KDE3 rpm's have moved from the experimental sub directory to the KDE directories in the Supplimantary directory on the SuSE FTP site.

I downloaded them last night to my laptop that was a VERY fresh 7.3 pro install. Now I cannot run kde at all. XDM is the only manager that will start no matter what I do in yast and yast2. I was pretty excited to see the SuSE packaged rpms........Now I am frustrated to see the SuSE packaged rpms.

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Dominic Maraglia

14 Apr 14 Apr

01:20

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I was also thinking about updating my system to 3.0 -- did you find installation instructions on the SuSE site? Cheers, Dominic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geek Boi" To: "suse" Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] KDE3 rpm's moved On Thursday 11 April 2002 02:51 am, Ralph F. De Witt wrote:

Just noticed that the KDE3 rpm's have moved from the experimental sub directory to the KDE directories in the Supplimantary directory on the SuSE FTP site.

I downloaded them last night to my laptop that was a VERY fresh 7.3 pro install. Now I cannot run kde at all. XDM is the only manager that will start no matter what I do in yast and yast2. I was pretty excited to see the SuSE packaged rpms........Now I am frustrated to see the SuSE packaged rpms. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com

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Anon. Coward

01:24

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. I've repeatedly suggested to ppl here NOT to try such a fundamental upgrade, yet I keep seeing agony. System is so complex you should install what comes on the CD and upgrade only with YOU, as far as core components. Trying to lay K3 on Suse7.3 is just asking for it. But have lots of fun if you do! I'm just tellin' ya... On Saturday, 13 April 2002 20:20, you wrote:

I was also thinking about updating my system to 3.0 -- did you find installation instructions on the SuSE site?

Cheers, Dominic

----- Original Message ----- From: "Geek Boi" To: "suse" Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] KDE3 rpm's moved

On Thursday 11 April 2002 02:51 am, Ralph F. De Witt wrote:

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Just noticed that the KDE3 rpm's have moved from the experimental sub directory to the KDE directories in the Supplimantary directory on the

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FTP site.

I downloaded them last night to my laptop that was a VERY fresh 7.3 pro install. Now I cannot run kde at all. XDM is the only manager that will start no matter what I do in yast and yast2. I was pretty excited to see the SuSE packaged rpms........Now I am frustrated to see the SuSE packaged rpms.

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Ben Rosenberg

02:02

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* Anon. Coward (quantum@ultra2k.com) [020413 18:25]: ::. ::I've repeatedly suggested to ppl here NOT to try such a fundamental upgrade, ::yet I keep seeing agony. :: ::System is so complex you should install what comes on the CD and upgrade only ::with YOU, as far as core components. Trying to lay K3 on Suse7.3 is just ::asking for it. :: ::But have lots of fun if you do! :: ::I'm just tellin' ya... Sorry and I don't mean to offend you...but that's total crap. That is such a "Windows Update" mentality. How else is someone going to learn but to take a chance. Yes, the RPM's on the SuSE ftp site have some issue, but you can go to ftp.kde.org which gives you a base KDE3 install and it works just fine and even imports your KDE2 settings. What gets people in trouble is thinking that this will replace KDE2. Leave KDE2.x.x installed on your system and just install kde3 in the directory it's suppose to go which is /opt/kde3. And it will not interfere with KDE2.x.x .. you can even run KDE2 apps such as the ones I run (ex. Licq and Kinkatta) You have to go into /etc/rc.config and change the references from kde2 to kde3 and if you specified the directories for KDE and QT in your .bashrc (the file that sets environment variables after login for your shell) then you have to change it from kde2 to kde3. It's pretty much that simple. I installed the KDE3 rpms from kde.org (which were made by a SuSE employee) and haven't had much of an issue. I tried the ones on SuSE's ftp site on my workstation in the office..this was a big mistake..I had to revert to the kde.org builds. If you have KDE and QT specified in your .bashrc or globally in /etc/profile make sure it looks like this... -- KDEDIR=/opt/kde3/ QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 export KDEDIR QTDIR -- If it says kde2 then you will get all sorts of weird shit happening when you try to load kde3 because the wrong places for KDE and QT are set as environment variables. Remember if one doesn't try to do anything new then one will learn nothing and have no independence. Don't be afraid to screw things up..this is not Windows ..everything is fixable outside of hardware failure. You just have to have a little faith and know who to ask and where to look. This is a great list for answers, but the don't touch it and just trust the update tool is just crap. Once a person breaks things enough they learn to fix it..how else do you think guru's are made? :) They aren't born that way..it takes punishment and hard work to get there. Heck people should even try compiling software..it may not be easy at first..but damn when you get it all going it's very satisfying. :) /end of rant. Cheers! -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -GC --=====-----=====--

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Matthew Johnson

02:14

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Sorry and I don't mean to offend you...but that's total crap. That is such a "Windows Update" mentality.

Well he is an Anon. Coward :). <rest snipped> Holy Moly Ben, where did you get all this energy from? Got to agree though, in simple terms go for it as thats how most guru's learned. You cannot really learn this in a classroom, and eventually it will save you more than a buck or two. Matt

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Anon. Coward

03:17

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. OK man. I guess you don't have a production system. My system can't afford to go down. I've run Linux for three years exclusively, so no Winduhs mentality here. (doy) I am going strictly on direct experience. When software is not mature, no matter WHAT platform, you had better not use it if you do not want constant, aggravating, mysterious problems. You will spend all your time tracing problems to BUGS, wasting your precious time and energy and not learning. Now please listen: when I say "mature software", I'm not talking about kernel 2.0 . I run Suse 7.3 . It has some problems, mainly K2.2.2, but I can live with it. When you try to install an early release of any core software you'll often see your whole system come tumbling down like a house of cards, and you can never put it all back together again in a reasonable amount of time. (my system is fairly complex) My policy is to do a clean install every other release, and keep up with YOU. With Suse8 so close, it is irresponsible to recommend to (learning) people to INSTALL K3 NOW! Sounds like you just play. Play on n00b. No crap here. Have a little decorum and show some respect for the list. I'm just tellin' ya... -- If God had intended Men to Smoke, He would have put Chimneys in their Heads.

Sorry and I don't mean to offend you...but that's total crap. That is such a "Windows Update" mentality.

How else is someone going to learn but to take a chance. Yes, the RPM's on the SuSE ftp site have some issue, but you can go to ftp.kde.org which gives you a base KDE3 install and it works just fine and even imports your KDE2 settings. What gets people in trouble is thinking that this will replace KDE2. Leave KDE2.x.x installed on your system and just install kde3 in the directory it's suppose to go which is /opt/kde3. And it will not interfere with KDE2.x.x .. you can even run KDE2 apps such as the ones I run (ex. Licq and Kinkatta)

You have to go into /etc/rc.config and change the references from kde2 to kde3 and if you specified the directories for KDE and QT in your .bashrc (the file that sets environment variables after login for your shell) then you have to change it from kde2 to kde3. It's pretty much that simple. I installed the KDE3 rpms from kde.org (which were made by a SuSE employee) and haven't had much of an issue. I tried the ones on SuSE's ftp site on my workstation in the office..this was a big mistake..I had to revert to the kde.org builds.

If you have KDE and QT specified in your .bashrc or globally in /etc/profile make sure it looks like this...

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Ben Rosenberg

08:19

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::I guess you don't have a production system. ::My system can't afford to go down. Well, actually I work for a rather large telcom and I'm one of 3 admins in charge of about 800 Million dollars worth of Sun E420's, U60's, U80's and other larger Sun boxes. So I do know what production machines are like. :) And NONE of them are in someones house and the certainly wouldn't have X on them...we are talking about workstation software which is what KDE is..if your window manager gets hosed on your workstation you fix it..if it's a server..well you don't install X on a server it's unneeded and KDe most certainly not "core" to any Linux system. I'm trying to help these people learn and for them to learn they need to do more the click upgrade. And the only system I know of that can go down like a "house of cards" because the GUI interface isn't happy is Windows..heck even OSX can be repaired without Aqua. ;) ::I've run Linux for three years exclusively, so no Winduhs mentality here. ::(doy) I am going strictly on direct experience. *shrug* You want a medal? ;) ::When software is not mature, ::no matter WHAT platform, you had better not use it if you do not want ::constant, aggravating, mysterious problems. You will spend all your time ::tracing problems to BUGS, wasting your precious time and energy and not ::learning. I've never see such an animal as bug free software...if you find some that has been so stable as to never have had an upgrade due to bug of some kind or an improvement of some kind. I'd love a list. And as for wasting time and energy..if it's a waste to learn. Damn I waste so much time I guess my wife is right about me sitting in front of a computer. This is what test boxes are for. ::Now please listen: when I say "mature software", I'm not talking about ::kernel 2.0 . I run Suse 7.3 . It has some problems, mainly K2.2.2, but I ::can live with it. Only problem I had with KDE 2.2.2 was an acknoledged QT 2.3.2 but I guess I can live with it. ::When you try to install an early release of any core software you'll often ::see your whole system come tumbling down like a house of cards, and you ::can never put it all back together again in a reasonable amount of time. ::(my ::system is fairly complex) Which is why KDE3 goes in /opt/kde3 and KDE2 goes in /opt/kde2.. and you can switch between both of them. I don't see what the big deal is. And if you system is SO complicated and must be cared for in such a manner because it's so fragile I'm sure you have a DVD burner to make an exact copy of it or do you have a Network Appliance doing snap mirrors of the filesystem at hourly intervolts? ;) ::My policy is to do a clean install every other release, and keep up ::with YOU. ::With Suse8 so close, it is irresponsible to recommend to (learning) ::people to INSTALL K3 NOW! Sounds like you just play. Play on n00b. What kind of crack is this.. It's the SAME CODE..just because SuSE puts it in a box and labels it Version 8.0 doesn't make it anymore stable. That's just frelling dumb. Play? With test boxes and workstations..sure. With production servers..no. See the 1st statement ;) ::No crap here. Have a little decorum and show some respect for the list. Dude. Every so often someone comes on this list and tries pretty hard to out mouth me..and it doesn't work. I'm not some kid in his parents basement "Playing" with Unix/Linux. I would say there is a damn good chance I know SuSE a bit better then you give me credit for..and I just can't get into this whole YOU think..fact is I'm pretty pissed off that YaST1 is going away..since I've been using it for about 5 years now.. ::I'm just tellin' ya... You aren't tell me much accept that you've gotta big ole complicated workstation that is very delicate. ::If God had intended Men to Smoke, He would have put Chimneys in their ::Heads. Oh and don't fuck with my smokes..makes me cranky. :P /end of dumb conversation. -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -GC --=====-----=====--

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Donavan Pantke

09:48

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On Sunday 14 April 2002 04:19, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

Dude. Every so often someone comes on this list and tries pretty hard to out mouth me..and it doesn't work. I'm not some kid in his parents basement "Playing" with Unix/Linux. I would say there is a damn good chance I know SuSE a bit better then you give me credit for..and I just can't get into this whole YOU think..fact is I'm pretty pissed off that YaST1 is going away..since I've been using it for about 5 years now..

YaST1 is going away? Sorry, this is news to me. Do you know if they are planning to allow people to run YaST2 in text mode from the initial CD boot? I guess the bigest reason I'm asking is that, on production servers and such, I've found it MUCH easier to go through a YaST1 install. Mainly becuase after my LVM setup, package selection is a LOT easier IMHO. Also, adding a forced GUI installation is okay, I guess, for decent powered machines, but for machines like a P200, the GUI can become a lot of overhead, espically for specific package selection. I just revisited that fact yesterday lol. Thanks Donavan Pantke

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Anon. Coward

14:03

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On Sunday, 14 April 2002 3:19, you wrote:

Dude. Every so often someone comes on this list and tries pretty hard to out mouth me..and it doesn't work. I'm not some kid in his parents basement "Playing" with Unix/Linux. I would say there is a damn good chance I know SuSE a bit better then you give me credit for..and I just can't get into this whole YOU think..fact is I'm pretty pissed off that YaST1 is going away..since I've been using it for about 5 years now..

Ah, I get it. You ARE some kid in his parents' basement playing with Linux, with a big chip on his shoulder.

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If God had intended Men to Smoke, He would have put Chimneys in their Heads.

Oh and don't fuck with my smokes..makes me cranky. :P

Stow the language n00b, or be removed from the list.

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Mike

16:30

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On Sunday 14 April 2002 16:03, you wrote:

On Sunday, 14 April 2002 3:19, you wrote:

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Dude. Every so often someone comes on this list and tries pretty hard to out mouth me..and it doesn't work. I'm not some kid in his parents basement "Playing" with Unix/Linux. I would say there is a damn good chance I know SuSE a bit better then you give me credit for..and I just can't get into this whole YOU think..fact is I'm pretty pissed off that YaST1 is going away..since I've been using it for about 5 years now..

Ah, I get it. You ARE some kid in his parents' basement playing with Linux, with a big chip on his shoulder.

You've got a lot to learn..

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If God had intended Men to Smoke, He would have put Chimneys in their Heads.

Oh and don't fuck with my smokes..makes me cranky. :P

Stow the language n00b, or be removed from the list.

By who?? You? I don't think so. -- Powered by SuSE 7.3 Kernel 2.4.16 KDE 2.2.2 Kmail 1.3.2 For a great linux portal try http://www.freezer-burn.org 6:28pm up 1:45, 3 users, load average: 1.95, 1.80, 1.91

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S.Toms

16:55

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Anon. Coward wrote: ac> On Sunday, 14 April 2002 3:19, you wrote: ac> > Dude. Every so often someone comes on this list and tries pretty hard to ac> > out mouth me..and it doesn't work. I'm not some kid in his parents ac> > basement "Playing" with Unix/Linux. I would say there is a damn good ac> > chance I know SuSE a bit better then you give me credit for..and I just ac> > can't get into this whole YOU think..fact is I'm pretty pissed off that ac> > YaST1 is going away..since I've been using it for about 5 years now.. ac> ac> Ah, I get it. You ARE some kid in his parents' basement playing with Linux, ac> with a big chip on his shoulder. ac> Boy are you off the mark. ac> ac> >>If God had intended Men to Smoke, He would have put Chimneys in their ac> >>Heads. ac> ac> >Oh and don't fuck with my smokes..makes me cranky. :P ac> ac> Stow the language n00b, or be removed from the list. ac> Ohh, that's gonna happen. ac> -- S.Toms - smotrs at mindspring.com - www.mindspring.com/~smotrs SuSE Linux v7.3+ - Kernel 2.4.10-4GB

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Tim van Venrooij

10:39

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Hi, FYI, when you install the SuSE KDE3 packages, the KDE2 packages kdebase and kdelibs are removed. That's the reason why kdm does not work any longer. Also the startkde script seems somewhat screwed up: it uses variables KDEHOME and kdehome, the latter uninitialized. Furthermore, it does not refer to ~/.kde3 by default as stated in the comment but to ~/.kde instead. It does not start via a login shell either. Another thing is that the latest SuSE KDE3 rpms do not contain any descriptions. To my opinion, this sort of issues should have long been resolved before moving the KDE3 packages from the experimental to the normal directories. Considering that at the same time the stable KDE2 core packages were removed from these directories... Bad move SuSE, shame on you. OK, in the end I got it working, KDE2 and KDE3 together, but it took quite some tweaking and patching. Regards, Tim On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 07:02:19PM -0700, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

... Leave KDE2.x.x installed on your system and just install kde3 in the directory it's suppose to go which is /opt/kde3. And it will not interfere with KDE2.x.x .. you can even run KDE2 apps such as the ones I run (ex. Licq and Kinkatta)

You have to go into /etc/rc.config and change the references from kde2 to kde3 and if you specified the directories for KDE and QT in your .bashrc (the file that sets environment variables after login for your shell) then you have to change it from kde2 to kde3. It's pretty much that simple. I installed the KDE3 rpms from kde.org (which were made by a SuSE employee) and haven't had much of an issue. I tried the ones on SuSE's ftp site on my workstation in the office..this was a big mistake..I had to revert to the kde.org builds.

If you have KDE and QT specified in your .bashrc or globally in /etc/profile make sure it looks like this...

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KDEDIR=/opt/kde3/ QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 export KDEDIR QTDIR

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If it says kde2 then you will get all sorts of weird shit happening when you try to load kde3 because the wrong places for KDE and QT are set as environment variables.

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Geek Boi

10:35

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What did you have to do to get KDE back on your machine? I was pretty upset at how SuSE did these packages myself. The packages off of kde.org did not have any of these quarks. Only issue I had with them were fairly minor in the lack of full SuSE menus. But to uninstall my previous kde2 packages and as seems to be the case on this laptop the init.d startup script for kde, is uncalled for IMO. And to the wholier than thou people out there talking about not installing core software on production machines and blah blah blah......I did say this was a LAPTOP. Not a server by any stretch. Get off your high horse and if you don't have something productive to contribute to a thread why not just say it out loud and save everyone else the bandwidth....... On Sunday 14 April 2002 04:39 am, Tim van Venrooij wrote:

Hi,

FYI, when you install the SuSE KDE3 packages, the KDE2 packages kdebase and kdelibs are removed. That's the reason why kdm does not work any longer. Also the startkde script seems somewhat screwed up: it uses variables KDEHOME and kdehome, the latter uninitialized. Furthermore, it does not refer to ~/.kde3 by default as stated in the comment but to ~/.kde instead. It does not start via a login shell either. Another thing is that the latest SuSE KDE3 rpms do not contain any descriptions.

To my opinion, this sort of issues should have long been resolved before moving the KDE3 packages from the experimental to the normal directories. Considering that at the same time the stable KDE2 core packages were removed from these directories... Bad move SuSE, shame on you.

OK, in the end I got it working, KDE2 and KDE3 together, but it took quite some tweaking and patching.

Regards, Tim

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Graham Smith

05:32

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:56, Geek Boi wrote:

I downloaded them last night to my laptop that was a VERY fresh 7.3 pro install. Now I cannot run kde at all. XDM is the only manager that will start no matter what I do in yast and yast2. I was pretty excited to see the SuSE packaged rpms........Now I am frustrated to see the SuSE packaged rpms.

The thing to look at is the /usr/X11R6/bin/kde* links. The link that the package puts in is incorrectly formed. I just created a new link. ln -s /opt/kde3/bin/startkde /usr/X11R6/bin/kde -- Regards, Graham Smith ----------------------------------------

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Jasmine Davis

11:56

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I find it really strange that so many people have had problems installing & running KDE3 alongside KDE2. I used the KDE - SuSe release for my 7.1 box from kde.org & everything has worked like a clock, without any other input than "rpm -Uvh --force --nodeps"! My guess is that everything that happens is all in the fun of having computers and being given the wonderful ability to learn :) Jasmine <snip> - -- Jasmine Davis - Photo Girl www.photo-girl.com Registered Linux User 218292 - -------------------------->> Welcome to Suse Linux 7.1 i686 - Kernel 2.4.2-4 hotgirls login: 9:46pm up 1:53, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.04, 0.03 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPLluZZ9cx8IodPsDEQLiOACfRTROKpFyUlbNdZKomMaRYZldtbUAnAk0 Mg0GlN2uDL0pPJqG5XbPEJL2 =SVuo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Uzo Kemdi Anyamele

14:53

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On Sun, 2002-04-14 at 12:56, Jasmine Davis wrote:

I find it really strange that so many people have had problems installing & running KDE3 alongside KDE2. I used the KDE - SuSe release for my 7.1 box from kde.org & everything has worked like a clock, without any other input than "rpm -Uvh --force --nodeps"!

My guess is that everything that happens is all in the fun of having computers and being given the wonderful ability to learn :)

I totally agreed with your insight here. Just to add that, with the gush of Linux users around now, most claiming to be well versed in manipulating Config Wrappers like YaST or whatever RedHat uses these days, the customary RTFM is been ignored more and more. Hence, you find "Gurus" doing clean installs at the drop of a hat. All because X is proving cumbersome and the dread of the COMMANDLINE. Still, things KDE or GNOME have come a long way. Well done to all. -- Kemdi IN_SuSE_d Since 5.2 123792 of counter.li.org ICQ:112290572

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Anon. Coward
Ben Rosenberg
Dominic Maraglia
Donavan Pantke
Geek Boi
Graham Smith
Jasmine Davis
Matthew Johnson
Mike
S.Toms
Tim van Venrooij
Uzo Kemdi Anyamele