[opensuse] Updating Tumbleweed
Hi all, I have installed Tumbleweed with the 20160611 snapshot. Trial to update with ´zypper up´ resulted in ´nothing to do´. What did I wrong? André den Oudsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
11.08.2016 23:43, A den Oudsten пишет:
Hi all,
I have installed Tumbleweed with the 20160611 snapshot.
Trial to update with ´zypper up´ resulted in ´nothing to do´.
What did I wrong?
Show repositories you have (zypper lr -d). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
A den Oudsten composed on 2016-08-11 22:43 (UTC+0200):
I have installed Tumbleweed with the 20160611 snapshot.
Exactly how? Why did you choose to install from a 2 month old snapshot? If you used the NET media, you installed the latest available content from the mirrors.
Trial to update with ´zypper up´ resulted in ´nothing to do´.
What TW version is reported in /etc/os-release?
What did I wrong?
It's hard to say whether or not you did anything wrong, as you've told us so little. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op 11-08-16 om 22:51 schreef Felix Miata:
A den Oudsten composed on 2016-08-11 22:43 (UTC+0200):
I have installed Tumbleweed with the 20160611 snapshot.
Exactly how? Why did you choose to install from a 2 month old snapshot? If you used the NET media, you installed the latest available content from the mirrors.
Trial to update with ´zypper up´ resulted in ´nothing to do´.
What TW version is reported in /etc/os-release?
What did I wrong?
It's hard to say whether or not you did anything wrong, as you've told us so little. After the zypper up trial did not work I tried to upgrade with 20160806 snapshot. That did not work too, but all repositories were gone. I´ll install install 20160806 and will be back, eventually!!! Thanks André -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/11/2016 04:43 PM, A den Oudsten wrote:
I have installed Tumbleweed with the 20160611 snapshot.
Tumbling Tumbleweeds https://www.google.ca/search?q=tumbling+tumbleweed&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=T-SsV9njAcXyUI3fhsgL ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/11/2016 04:52 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 08/11/2016 04:43 PM, A den Oudsten wrote:
I have installed Tumbleweed with the 20160611 snapshot.
Tumbling Tumbleweeds https://www.google.ca/search?q=tumbling+tumbleweed&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=T-SsV9njAcXyUI3fhsgL ;-)
There is no need to re-install, simply make sure that the proper repos are configured and use 'zypper dup' to upgrade. When you go from one version of TW to a newer version you are actually doing a "distribution upgrade". -- Ken linux since 1994 S.u.S.E./openSUSE since 1996 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 12.08.2016 um 14:11 schrieb Ken Schneider:
On 08/11/2016 04:52 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 08/11/2016 04:43 PM, A den Oudsten wrote:
I have installed Tumbleweed with the 20160611 snapshot.
Tumbling Tumbleweeds https://www.google.ca/search?q=tumbling+tumbleweed&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=T-SsV9njAcXyUI3fhsgL ;-)
There is no need to re-install, simply make sure that the proper repos are configured and use 'zypper dup' to upgrade. When you go from one version of TW to a newer version you are actually doing a "distribution upgrade".
Not this discussion again, please. This is not longer true. It was true when Tumbleweed was based on a "static" release, but it isn't needed any longer since TW became a real rolling distribution. You need "zypper dup" only when upgrading from another version of openSUSE to Tumbleweed, as stated explicitly on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Tumbleweed_upgrade. The recommended way to install TW can be read on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Tumbleweed_installation. After installation of Tumbleweed and activating the repositories, a simple "zypper up" should suffice. It does for my installations. "zypper dup" will pull in packages from different repositories, only depending on their version number, and may introduce instabilities or lead to a lot of unfulfillable dependencies, which you have to resolve manually. So there is rarely any need to use it. Werner -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
12.08.2016 23:35, Werner Flamme пишет:
Am 12.08.2016 um 14:11 schrieb Ken Schneider:
On 08/11/2016 04:52 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 08/11/2016 04:43 PM, A den Oudsten wrote:
I have installed Tumbleweed with the 20160611 snapshot.
Tumbling Tumbleweeds https://www.google.ca/search?q=tumbling+tumbleweed&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=T-SsV9njAcXyUI3fhsgL ;-)
There is no need to re-install, simply make sure that the proper repos are configured and use 'zypper dup' to upgrade. When you go from one version of TW to a newer version you are actually doing a "distribution upgrade".
Not this discussion again, please. This is not longer true.
It is still true. openSUSE relies on "zypper dup" instead of maintaining Obsoletes/Conflicts on RPM level. Situations when it is required are not frequent, but they do happen regular. In defense, not every package reorganization can be handled by RPM. So zypper is using logic above usual RPM to additionally remove/replace/install packages. While it is true that using "zypper up" is usually sufficient, it is still recommended to do "zypper dup" every now and then to "sync" with current package lists.
It was true when Tumbleweed was based on a "static" release, but it isn't needed any longer since TW became a real rolling distribution. You need "zypper dup" only when upgrading from another version of openSUSE to Tumbleweed, as stated explicitly on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Tumbleweed_upgrade. The recommended way to install TW can be read on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Tumbleweed_installation.
After installation of Tumbleweed and activating the repositories, a simple "zypper up" should suffice. It does for my installations. "zypper dup" will pull in packages from different repositories, only depending on their version number, and may introduce instabilities or lead to a lot of unfulfillable dependencies, which you have to resolve manually. So there is rarely any need to use it.
You really have not heard of --no-allow-vendor-change yet? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Andrei Borzenkov composed on 2016-08-13 09:00 (UTC+0300):
openSUSE relies on "zypper dup" instead of maintaining Obsoletes/Conflicts on RPM level. Situations when it is required are not frequent, but they do happen regular.
In defense, not every package reorganization can be handled by RPM. So zypper is using logic above usual RPM to additionally remove/replace/install packages.
While it is true that using "zypper up" is usually sufficient, it is still recommended to do "zypper dup" every now and then to "sync" with current package lists.
While duping occasionally does clean up some things, it is not up to the task of keeping obsolete packages incorporating version strings in their names from piling up as their names morph. e.g. libavutil##, libavformat##, libpoppler##, libswresample#, libavcodec##, libicu##_#, etc. Some it catches one way or another, but definitely not all, and using zypper rather than YaST2 to do such manual cleanup is tedious to say the least. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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