Robert Lewis wrote:

Robert Lewis wrote:

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In addition, why does it hang for a very long time at the end of

an updater operation at 99%. In fact often it goes to 100% and then drops back to 99%. During this time top reports:

7222 root 25 0 82432 44m 6248 R 91.7 4.4 5:09.40 update-status

That's 91.7% CPU utilization for a very very long time. This is ridiculous. Is it a race condition or what?

For example: A) Do we have a buy in from the developers that the issues are real and worthy of fixing?

It would probably really help if you would realize in 10.2 there are now 2 choices. One is called zen-updater, the other is called opensuseupdater. By you subject, which one would you suspect you are talking about? Wrong, you are describing zen-updater. By confusing the 2 you do not add clarity to the updater problems.

B) That the mechanism is way to slow often taking an hour or tmore to install one rpm

Since the 2 are aimed at different use scenarios, maybe you are making this harder than NOW is necessary. The developers do realize there are problems. That is why they created opensuseupdater. Try it, you'll like it. It is much more lightweight than zen-updater, only trying to notify the user of security updates. Zen-updater is designed to notify of an update in every configured repository. Which do you think would need more resources? Add to that load the fact that it isn't just a matter of seeing something newer, but making sure it isn't a rogue package by verifying the gpg signature. That is why IMHO zen-updater is doomed by design. I would suggest trying the product you mention in your subject. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

On Friday 16 February 2007, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:

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Robert Lewis wrote:

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Since the 2 are aimed at different use scenarios, maybe you are making this harder than NOW is necessary. The developers do realize there are problems. That is why they created opensuseupdater. Try it, you'll like it. It is much more lightweight than zen-updater, only trying to notify the user of security updates. Zen-updater is designed to notify of an update in every configured repository. Which do you think would need more resources? Add to that load the fact that it isn't just a matter of seeing something newer, but making sure it isn't a rogue package by verifying the gpg signature. That is why IMHO zen-updater is doomed by design. I would suggest trying the product you mention in your subject.

Before you dump all over Robert, bear in mind that the software that sits in the tray does not report its name, other than to say its the software updater. Is that the zen updater or the opensuse updater?

And where does one get the opensuseupdator? Its not listed in my menuing system.

Thanks John, you said exactly what was on my mind. I recommend SUSE to all my friends and help them with their computers so I am just looking for encouragement that the base factory distribution in the future will be as robust or better than before. I would like to hear a response to your question as well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 17 February 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

opensuse-updater is part of the openSUSE package management pattern. Deinstall zmd, zen-updater and rug and install zypper and opensuse-updater instead - use YaST to do the install,

Andreas

Doesn't osu use the zen-updater (at least optionally?) When not using the zen-updater option, it seems to launch yast any time you make a change in sources. Does that mean it uses the same sources as yast? How does this relate to the Kde Upater applet? http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Updater_Applet I can find opensuseupdater on my system, but no kde menu item for it and not a shred of documentation. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

On Saturday 17 February 2007 5:13 am, Anders Johansson wrote:

zmd can also use libzypp, but in addition has its own repositories that only it can see

Why? Bryan -- **************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 6.0 KDE 3.5.3 KMail 1.9.3 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net **************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Noticed today that I'm having the same problems with zmd under 10.2 that I was under 10.1, namely: - parse-metadata will suck up all available CPU and RAM, slowing the machine to a crawl. - If I kill parse-metadata, update-status takes over the CPU-clogging duties, and does not respond to any signal short of a -9. - Running '/etc/init.d/novell-zmd stop' fails. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Lørdag 17 februar 2007 10:26 skrev Andreas Jaeger:

opensuse-updater is part of the openSUSE package management pattern. Deinstall zmd, zen-updater and rug and install zypper and opensuse-updater instead - use YaST to do the install,

Andreas

Just to give you an exampe; SuSE10.2, plain vanilla, new install. I've been trying for a couple of days to update the freeNX server to the latest - which can be found at software.opensuse.org/download/NX/openSUSE_10.2/ This is what you'll enter into YaST as a software repository. Only the darned thing doesn't work, at all.... You'll get: "Unknown Error: Downloading metadata failed (is YUM source?) or did not accept remote source. Aborting refresh" A few very kind people on the NX-machine list has been very kind to help. All to no avail. Mind you, I did not change anything, anything at all in the SuSE/YaST installer system. It just doesn't work. I've tried at least 5 times at differenct time intervals. It doesn't work. I need to upgrade to this latest Freenx server, only I can't. No matter what I do. Any help? :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Lørdag 17 februar 2007 12:20 skrev jdd:

Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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software.opensuse.org/download/NX/openSUSE_10.2/

This is what you'll enter into YaST as a software repository. Only the darned thing doesn't work, at all....

You'll get:

"Unknown Error: Downloading metadata failed (is YUM source?) or did not accept remote source. Aborting refresh"

A few very kind people on the NX-machine list has been very kind to help. All to no avail.

not a surprise, this is not a freenix problem

fir me the error message is quite clear, but I read this list from the beginning :-)

any install source for openSUSE must have some sort of "metadata" (in short a list of available products). If there are none, your URL is not good.

so said, I don't know why your URL is wrong (it seems good at first glance), may be there is somthing wrong in the directory?

right now, if I had to do that, I would go inside the i586 folder, dl the rpm there and install then from my drive, but there is probably a better way (is it ?)

jdd

-- http://www.dodin.net Le manuel d'optique de Lucien Dodin http://lesprismes.free.fr/optique/index.html Hi,

I quite agree. I download the -rpm and do (as root) rpm -Uvh the-rpm-file.rpm This gives no errors, but does not upgrade the FreeNX server... eh? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Lørdag 17 februar 2007 12:47 skrev Verner Kjærsgaard:

Lørdag 17 februar 2007 12:20 skrev jdd:

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Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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software.opensuse.org/download/NX/openSUSE_10.2/

This is what you'll enter into YaST as a software repository. Only the darned thing doesn't work, at all....

You'll get:

"Unknown Error: Downloading metadata failed (is YUM source?) or did not accept remote source. Aborting refresh"

A few very kind people on the NX-machine list has been very kind to help. All to no avail.

not a surprise, this is not a freenix problem

fir me the error message is quite clear, but I read this list from the beginning :-)

any install source for openSUSE must have some sort of "metadata" (in short a list of available products). If there are none, your URL is not good.

so said, I don't know why your URL is wrong (it seems good at first glance), may be there is somthing wrong in the directory?

right now, if I had to do that, I would go inside the i586 folder, dl the rpm there and install then from my drive, but there is probably a better way (is it ?)

jdd

-- http://www.dodin.net Le manuel d'optique de Lucien Dodin http://lesprismes.free.fr/optique/index.html

Hi,

I quite agree. I download the -rpm and do (as root) rpm -Uvh the-rpm-file.rpm

This gives no errors, but does not upgrade the FreeNX server...

eh?

a very nice guy, as you all are :-), give me this hint...: "Now I remembered I changed something in /etc/zmd/zmd.conf The line with security-level now reads "security-level=checksum". See also "man zmd" and you may use "rug", see "man rug". I needed the change because I wanted to update OpenOffice.org to 2.1 and the repository is not signed, which blocked using Zenworks update at all." - I did the change, restarted novell-zmd. - quest what...it doesn't work. - same error. -sigh... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2/17/07, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

software.opensuse.org/download/NX/openSUSE_10.2/

Remove the trailing slash at the end and try again. Like: software.opensuse.org/download/NX/openSUSE_10.2 (no / here) -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap.

Lørdag 17 februar 2007 14:24 skrev Verner Kjærsgaard:

Lørdag 17 februar 2007 13:06 skrev Sunny:

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On 2/17/07, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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software.opensuse.org/download/NX/openSUSE_10.2/

Remove the trailing slash at the end and try again. Like: software.opensuse.org/download/NX/openSUSE_10.2 (no / here)

http://software.opensuse.org/download/N─│ NX/openSU│ │ │Downloadi││X/openSUSE_10.2/ ││ openSUSE_│ ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ │ │ ││Unknown Error: Downloading metadata

The above is a direct (distorted..) copy of the output from YaSt when trying to add the repo. Same error with and without the trailing /

Just for your info :-)

-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard

Ok, thank you to all. I gave up. I uninstalled all freeNx/NX. I downloaded and installed (from the 10.2) repo the NX latest rpm. I installed the freenx from the standard YaST source allready in 10.2 I now get: neubert:/usr/bin # rpm -qa | grep -i nx NX-1.5.0-82.1 FreeNX-0.5.0-25 I hope this solves my original problem with national characters not working in NX sessions from windooze clients. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Richard Bos [02-17-07 15:00]: [...]

1 minute of work over here. I added the source NX/openSUSE_10.2 to my apt source.list file, executes apt update and did 'apt install NX'. Version 1.5.0-82 got installed ;)

You returned to apt from smart? I thought apt was depricated???? Smart is a good/similar replacement for apt, but I do not believe that it is as good (for openSUSE, anyway) as apt. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Randall R Schulz [02-17-07 20:27]:

On Saturday 17 February 2007 17:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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You returned to apt from smart? I thought apt was depricated????

I forget... Do we tolerate misspellings on this list?

:^( s/i/e -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun February 18 2007 03:42, Richard Bos wrote:

See above. You can get it from: http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/home:/rbos/openSUSE_10.2/

Hi Richard, Care to share or point me towards a working 'safe' set of *.list files (10.2 i686)? I guess the repositories have been juggled around since I last tried getting it to work here. 'install-apt4suse --update-srclist' and 'apt-get update' are just spitting out download failure errors. TIA & regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun February 18 2007 10:14, Richard Bos wrote:

Just install 'apt-beta' and 'apt-beta-libs' (normal apt an apt-libs, may be installed as well, but the beta performs well for me already for a long time). They come with a correctly configured sources.list file, that point to opensuse base and opensuse update only. The file contains examples that point to opensuse' buildserver. I hope this is sufficient, if not let me know.

Thanks Richard, this worked great! Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Op zondag 18 februari 2007 17:22, schreef Patrick Shanahan:

* Richard Bos [02-18-07 03:42]: [...]

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No, I have always used apt, though I looked at smart. But as a long time apt user I have not been able to become used to smart. Apt(-rpm) obtained a new maintainer and so apt is still alive. It supports the repomd repositories, provided by opensuse, very well.

11:11 wahoo:~ > rpm -q apt-beta apt-beta-libs apt-beta-0.5.15lorg3.90-9.1 apt-beta-libs-0.5.15lorg3.90-9.1

E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing libinstrudeo (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp4.gwdg.de_pub_linux_suse_apt_SuSE_10.1-x86%5f64_base_ pkglist.suser-guru E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.

running "rpm --rebuildb" atm, but I suspect that the Package file is too large: ls -la /var/lib/rpm/Packages -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 62304256 2007-02-18 10:46 Packages

No you're running out cache ;) Next time, you have to google 1st ;) http://rwxii.bitblaster.com/k/11-1-1-031211102449/permlink.hptb ...and the answer is: Put this in /etc/apt/apt.conf and the problem goes away, at least it did for me today: APT::Cache-Limit 12582912; ps: I have no idea to which value you have to set cache-limit. I found to values for the limit. One is 8 and the other is 12MB. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Patrick Shanahan [02-18-07 12:34]: [...]

ps: do I need to be concerned with i586 vs x86_64 packages being installed? 'apt-get upgrade -s' does not report architechure or I do not know how to see it...

I also notice that apt-get wants to install updates that seem to be the same version as already installed: 12:39 wahoo:~ # rpm -q cups cups-client cups-libs --last cups-libs-1.1.23-40.12 Tue 30 Jan 2007 09:48:06 AM EST cups-1.1.23-40.12 Tue 30 Jan 2007 09:47:55 AM EST cups-client-1.1.23-40.12 Tue 30 Jan 2007 09:47:48 AM EST 12:38 wahoo:~ # apt-get upgrade -s Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be upgraded cups cups-client cups-libs [...] Inst cups [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) [] Inst cups-client [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) [] Inst cups-libs [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) 12:40 wahoo:~ # smart query --installed cups cups-libs cups-client [...] cups-1.1.23-40.12@x86_64 cups-client-1.1.23-40.12@x86_64 cups-libs-1.1.23-40.12@x86_64 -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Richard Bos [02-18-07 14:01]:

Op zondag 18 februari 2007 18:45, schreef Patrick Shanahan:

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 [...] Inst cups [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) [] Inst cups-client [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) [] Inst cups-libs [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable)

12:40 wahoo:~ # smart query --installed cups cups-libs cups-client  [...] cups-1.1.23-40.12@x86_64 cups-client-1.1.23-40.12@x86_64 cups-libs-1.1.23-40.12@x86_64

Let's find out; just execute 'apt -d upgrade' or if you only want to test it with a few pkgs use 'apt -d install cups cups-client cups-libs'. (-d download only). During the download the architecture will be shown, and this can be checked in the dir /var/cache/apt/archives as well (use ls -l cups*).

Get:1 ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de SuSE/10.1-x86_64/suse-people cups 1.2.0-0.1 [2175kB] Get:2 ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de SuSE/10.1-x86_64/suse-people cups-client 1.2.0-0.1 [94.4kB] Get:3 ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de SuSE/10.1-x86_64/suse-people cups-libs 1.2.0-0.1 [187kB] Gee, we're both missing the most obvious. What apt is reporting is the versin being upgraded and then the version upgraded to: Inst cups [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) Inst cups-client [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) Inst cups-libs [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) 1.1.23-40.12 --> 1.2.0-0.1 will probably pass on this, don't have any apprecible problems with printing at present. Seldom print photos, cheaper at wallyworld and my epson 925 inks are not that fade resistant. Will update to 10.3 when it arrives anyway and I have toooo many things set particularly and different than standard to change horses every new distro. tks, presently watching the Daytona 500. (on trackpass in linux). -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:09:14PM +0100, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

Lørdag 17 februar 2007 10:26 skrev Andreas Jaeger:

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opensuse-updater is part of the openSUSE package management pattern. Deinstall zmd, zen-updater and rug and install zypper and opensuse-updater instead - use YaST to do the install,

Andreas

Just to give you an exampe; SuSE10.2, plain vanilla, new install. I've been trying for a couple of days to update the freeNX server to the latest - which can be found at

software.opensuse.org/download/NX/openSUSE_10.2/

This is what you'll enter into YaST as a software repository. Only the darned thing doesn't work, at all....

Uh, yes, I'm actually to blame for this (at least to a part). There's a bug in libzypp (already fixed AFAIK) that makes it return an error if the repository doesn't provide the pubkey which was used when signing the data. Due to a configuration change the build service didn't copy the pubkey anymore, so there are some old repositories out there which won't install with libzypp. All the newer ones contain the pubkey again. Sorry, Michael. -- Michael Schroeder mls@suse.de main(_){while(_=~getchar())putchar(~_-1/(~(_|32)/13*2-11)*13);} -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 17 February 2007 4:26 am, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Deinstall zmd, zen-updater and rug and install zypper and opensuse-updater instead - use YaST to do the install,

Why does opensuse come with things that need to be deinstalled and replaced with different things? Shouldn't it be already set up with what works? Is the quoted portion above the official recommended package management plan for opensuse? What is the role of smart, if any? Thank you. Bryan -- **************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 6.0 KDE 3.5.3 KMail 1.9.3 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net **************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

Before you dump all over Robert, I'm sorry that you thought I was dumping on him, not my intent. bear in mind that the software that sits in the tray does not report its name, other than to say its the software updater. Is that the zen updater or the opensuse updater?

They both could go there. The is a sysconfig variable for only one to start. IIRC, zen is orange. The one you should use if you only want to know about security updates through that applet is opensuseupdater, which is blue and green.

And where does one get the opensuseupdator? It is on the CD/DVD or online repositories Its not listed in my menuing system. System>Desktop Applet>openSUSE Updater Applet

-- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote:

On Friday 16 February 2007 21:32, Robert Lewis wrote:

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I would very much like to hear more from the SUSE developers on their future plans to resolve the many issues raised in this forum about the slowness and other issues of the Updater mechanism.

We implemented what you described in 10.2 as a lightweight package manager for openSUSE. But you are calling openSUSE updater to the enterprise zen updater.

Did you try the openSUSE package management stack?

Duncan

I have no idea how to do this. Is there any documentation from SUSE on the various alternatives, limitations/features and how the user would implement them without getting into trouble? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org