Banana Flex wrote:

i've got a PCI Card Promise SATA300 TX4 on my HP Proliant server no driver needed and it allow a system to be bootable

http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?product_id=139

i run my Raptor 36GB SATA for the system on SLED-10

have fun Banana

On May 25, 2007, at 4:21 AM, Robert Smits wrote:

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I need a sata pci card to allow my suse 10.1 system to see a 320 GB sata drive. Any recommendations? --Bob Smits bob@rsmits.ca

I use cards made by Syba. They are cheap, they come with linux drivers, they have PCI cards. I have a pair of 300 GB Seagate SATA drives (but their two-port PCI SATA cards are SATA I so the speed is 1.5 Mb/s instead of SATA II 3.5 Mb/s). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi! On 5/25/07, Greg Freemyer wrote:

See http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#matrix for the Sept. 06 status matrix. That should have been accurate for 10.2. Lots of big

Greg

I have just ordered a Promise SATA300 TX4plus. It was the only affordable 4 port solution I could find. According to their web-site, it supports NCQ and TCQ (my drives should support NCQ - Seagate 7200.10). Do you know more about the status as the table leaves me a little confused. The table says that the driver for above Promise does not support NCQ, new EH, hotplug or suspend. But when I scrolled up, the page says that: "Summary: No TCQ. Newer cards support NCQ. Full SATA control including hotplug and PM on all." So, you see that it's quite confusing to see as these are kind saying the opposite thing. Or is it so that the cards support all these, but the driver does not. In that case, is it ever going to? I still have time to change my card, but it really hard to find affordable 4-port PCI card to run RAID... :-( -- H -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hello! On 5/27/07, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

On 2007-05-26 23:36, HG wrote:

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Hi!

On 5/25/07, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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See http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#matrix for the Sept. 06 status matrix. That should have been accurate for 10.2. Lots of big

Greg

I have just ordered a Promise SATA300 TX4plus. It was the only I can't find a TX4plus anywhere on the Promise website. Do you mean the TX4310?

That was what the shop gave as the Promise internal code. The link they gave, points here: http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=undefined&product_id=139

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Do you know more about the status as the table leaves me a little confused. The table says that the driver for above Promise does not support NCQ, new EH, hotplug or suspend. But when I scrolled up, the page says that: "Summary: No TCQ. Newer cards support NCQ. Full SATA control including hotplug and PM on all." What is confusing? The card supports these, but the driver does not. The comment you quoted about the sata_promise driver suggests that that TCQ will not be supported in the driver, because there is NCQ support in the cards.

I do not know if NCQ and TCQ are related in that way as you say - TCQ is something new to me and my drives do not support that (so, I wont get it even if the software would support it). Anyways, the Promise web-site (above) mentions that the card supports both NCQ and TCQ.

The notes after the table say this: "No, feature is not present. The hardware can support this feature, but driver code does not yet exist to support it." Note the word "yet".

That was the one word that I missed! 8-) Sorry about that. Yes, what I was confused about was, what the hardware supports and what the software supports now or in the future. Now it's clear.

In other words, stay tuned -- the support should be there sometime in the future. If you absolutely /must/ have all these now, then look for something that can use the ahci driver, or get a Silicon Image SiI3124 (presumably, though, most if not all of those will be more expensive than you suggest your budget allows).

I will stay tuned. Obviously I can live without those features (I mean, how did we store our data before NCQ and TCQ? :-) I'll stay with the card that I have selected. After all, I want reliable 4-port solution for home use with my own money... corporate would be different. So, all in all, I'm glad to know that what I selected is now supported by OpenSUSE. And in the future, I might even get better performance. Thanks! -- H -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 5/28/07, HG wrote:

Hello!

On 5/27/07, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2007-05-26 23:36, HG wrote:

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Hi!

On 5/25/07, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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See http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#matrix for the Sept. 06 status matrix. That should have been accurate for 10.2. Lots of big

Greg

I have just ordered a Promise SATA300 TX4plus. It was the only I can't find a TX4plus anywhere on the Promise website. Do you mean the TX4310?

That was what the shop gave as the Promise internal code. The link they gave, points here: http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=undefined&product_id=139

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Do you know more about the status as the table leaves me a little confused. The table says that the driver for above Promise does not support NCQ, new EH, hotplug or suspend. But when I scrolled up, the page says that: "Summary: No TCQ. Newer cards support NCQ. Full SATA control including hotplug and PM on all." What is confusing? The card supports these, but the driver does not. The comment you quoted about the sata_promise driver suggests that that TCQ will not be supported in the driver, because there is NCQ support in the cards.

I do not know if NCQ and TCQ are related in that way as you say - TCQ is something new to me and my drives do not support that (so, I wont get it even if the software would support it). Anyways, the Promise web-site (above) mentions that the card supports both NCQ and TCQ.

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The notes after the table say this: "No, feature is not present. The hardware can support this feature, but driver code does not yet exist to support it." Note the word "yet".

That was the one word that I missed! 8-) Sorry about that. Yes, what I was confused about was, what the hardware supports and what the software supports now or in the future. Now it's clear.

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In other words, stay tuned -- the support should be there sometime in the future. If you absolutely /must/ have all these now, then look for something that can use the ahci driver, or get a Silicon Image SiI3124 (presumably, though, most if not all of those will be more expensive than you suggest your budget allows).

I will stay tuned. Obviously I can live without those features (I mean, how did we store our data before NCQ and TCQ? :-) I'll stay with the card that I have selected. After all, I want reliable 4-port solution for home use with my own money... corporate would be different.

So, all in all, I'm glad to know that what I selected is now supported by OpenSUSE. And in the future, I might even get better performance. Thanks!

-- H

Over the last 6 months (ie. since Sept. 06), the Promise Libata driver has received a significant amount of love and attention. I don't know the details, but in 2.6.21 and newer kernels I'm almost positive it is using the new EH. And I think the NCQ & TCQ functionality is in there as well. If your really curious, check the 2.6.19, 2.6.20, & 2.6.21 changelogs at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ for major improvements. For recent minor bug fixes in the 2.6.21 series check changelogs for 2.6.21.1, 2.6.21.2 , 2.6.21.3. If you find that there is is new functionality available not in the stock OpenSuse 10.2 kernels (2.6.18 based iirc), you might want to consider using one of the Factory kernels. They are less tested, but likely will work fine in non-production environment. FYI: If you do go through the changelogs, I'd be curious what you find so post a summary back to the list if you don't mind. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2007-05-29 09:57, Greg Freemyer wrote:

<snip> above improvements. Or just wait for 10.3 to come out. (Do we have a target date? Aug. will be 8 months since 10.2) Of course, that is all in the roadmap at opensuse.org:

From AJ's most recent accouncement:

Thu, Jun 14 openSUSE 10.3 Alpha5 release Thu, Jul 19 openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6 release Thu, Aug 9 openSUSE 10.3 Beta1 release Thu, Aug 23 openSUSE 10.3 Beta2 release Thu, Sep 6 openSUSE 10.3 Beta3 release Thu, Sep 20 openSUSE 10.3 Release Candidate 1 release Thu, Sep 27 openSUSE 10.3 Goldmaster release (internal) Thu, Oct 4 openSUSE 10.3 public release and the definitive (?) source: http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap/10.3 -- Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue. -- François de La Rochefoucauld -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org