Hi, I am not trying to start a flame war or anything. I just want to know if other people had the same experience with SuSE8.1 as I did. I've been using SuSE since 4.xx and I must admit that I have never had so many problems as I did with 8.1. It's visually a stunning distribution and the package management/dependencies are great with "YOU". They did a great job with the user friendly management tools. But I have spent about a month fixing things on my ThinkPad after I switched from 8.0 to 8.1. My workstation that I tried installing on is still waiting for me to fix it, it wouldn't boot after Installing, not to mention that it wouldn't even format the disks in the first place. Things that are not working for me on 8.1 but have worked on 8.0: PCMCIA: Flash cards (haven't tried other's) 1GB of memory: Wouldn't install on my laptop (UP) until I manually set mem to less than 1GB DAC960: My workstation(SMP) with a Mylex 1164 raid card wont boot after install VMWare: Segfaults and kernel oopses after loading a OS in the virtual machine Mathematica 4.2: It starts up but any complicated calculation will make the system go to lala land. There are other things but those are major ones for me that *have* worked under 8.0 just fine. Is it just my experience that 8.1 is the most broken SuSE distro ever? Due to so many things not working for me I think it took me a few weeks to vent out my fury after upgrading. Oh, the things I thought about doing with the 8.1 Box. Is it just me or have others had similar problems? Thanks. -- Peace can only come as a natural consequence of universal enlightenment. -Dr. Nikola Tesla
Well I'm not on a laptop, but the problems I had were java in mozilla (so did everybody) and gnumeric crashing. Haven't had any real hardware related problems except for IDE vs SCSI emulation and the funky links Suse creates in the /dev directory. On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 15:26, Dragan Stancevic wrote:
Hi,
I am not trying to start a flame war or anything. I just want to know if other people had the same experience with SuSE8.1 as I did.
I've been using SuSE since 4.xx and I must admit that I have never had so many problems as I did with 8.1.
It's visually a stunning distribution and the package management/dependencies are great with "YOU". They did a great job with the user friendly management tools. But I have spent about a month fixing things on my ThinkPad after I switched from 8.0 to 8.1. My workstation that I tried installing on is still waiting for me to fix it, it wouldn't boot after Installing, not to mention that it wouldn't even format the disks in the first place.
Things that are not working for me on 8.1 but have worked on 8.0: PCMCIA: Flash cards (haven't tried other's) 1GB of memory: Wouldn't install on my laptop (UP) until I manually set mem to less than 1GB DAC960: My workstation(SMP) with a Mylex 1164 raid card wont boot after install VMWare: Segfaults and kernel oopses after loading a OS in the virtual machine Mathematica 4.2: It starts up but any complicated calculation will make the system go to lala land.
There are other things but those are major ones for me that *have* worked under 8.0 just fine.
Is it just my experience that 8.1 is the most broken SuSE distro ever? Due to so many things not working for me I think it took me a few weeks to vent out my fury after upgrading. Oh, the things I thought about doing with the 8.1 Box. Is it just me or have others had similar problems?
Thanks.
-- Peace can only come as a natural consequence of universal enlightenment. -Dr. Nikola Tesla
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Rob Benton wrote:
Well I'm not on a laptop, but the problems I had were java in mozilla (so did everybody) and gnumeric crashing. Haven't had any real hardware related problems except for IDE vs SCSI emulation and the funky links Suse creates in the /dev directory.
On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 15:26, Dragan Stancevic wrote:
We'll, I've been using SuSE since 5.3, and 8.1 has been the most problem-prone up to now. Yes, there was this silly cdrom link issue, no big deal except that I find myself recommending everyone to switch to SuSE Linux at work, and this is the kind of problem that a total newbie can't solve easily. Plus, it's totally unacceptable if you consider the money you pay ... Then, I think I rebooted my box some ten times yesterday - I've never seen anything like this since the problems I had with windows 98 on a K6 box which had an Intel740 video card, the repeated problems that made me try out SuSe 5.3, and discover real stability. The reboots were due to installing a speedtouch usb modem the SuSE way (as advised by the SuSE KB), losing the connection Oh soooo often, and having to reboot as the last resort to regain internet access. Don't tell me it's nothing to do with 8.1: I had the very same setup on 7.3, but made a script myself with the open source speedtouch drivers, and found it to be much more reliable). Then there's the repeated crashes with xine and mplayer, despite trying out, reinstalling , rpming and compiling various versions. the various times when my mouse cursor goes mad , and I have to redetect it with yast2 to calm it down. Definitely not a good number, 8.1. sure, it's pretty to look at, but if the choice is between reliability and eye candy, my choice is easioly made ... My own 2 eurocents FX -- ______________________ Courtesy of SuSE Linux nibz.org
Good day all, On Sunday 01 December 2002 22:59, FX Fraipont wrote:
Rob Benton wrote:
Well I'm not on a laptop, but the problems I had were java in mozilla (so did everybody) and gnumeric crashing. Haven't had any real hardware related problems except for IDE vs SCSI emulation and the funky links Suse creates in the /dev directory.
On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 15:26, Dragan Stancevic wrote:
We'll, I've been using SuSE since 5.3, and 8.1 has been the most problem-prone up to now.
[SNIP - loads of problems] I guess this list recieves almost nothing but problem reports. After all it is a list for help... I would like to be a little positive and say that apart from mozilla not being able to run java, and an incorrect modem init string, my 8.1 Pro box has had no critical flaws. It detected my hardware and has been very stable. I have bumped in to an amazingly high number of minor problems compared to 8.0, but no showstoppers. So, things can get better, and they seem to ba somewhat more difficult to get running the way I want them to, but I have not have to give up on anything yet. All in all I like 8.1, while I still look forward to improvements in 8.2. Best regards :o) Johnny :o)
[SNIP - loads of problems]
I guess this list recieves almost nothing but problem reports. After all it is a list for help...
I would like to be a little positive and say that apart from mozilla not being able to run java, and an incorrect modem init string, my 8.1 Pro box has had no critical flaws. It detected my hardware and has been very stable.
I have bumped in to an amazingly high number of minor problems compared to 8.0, but no showstoppers. So, things can get better, and they seem to ba somewhat more difficult to get running the way I want them to, but I have not have to give up on anything yet.
All in all I like 8.1, while I still look forward to improvements in 8.2.
Same here. I had everthing backed up, so I ended up doing a 'clean' install of 8.1 onto a 'reformatted' hard disk. Everything worked fine doing it that way -> FROM THE CD SET. I could not get it to install off the DVD at all, and after trying to do a simple upgrade from 8.0 ( which was fine except for Kylix3 - which is why I wanted 8.1 ) Linux became unbootable. The DVD simply refused to provide any system options to install or upgrade to. CD1 worked, but I did wonder if 8.1 was trying to 'change' the file system that was being used. I did not have time to play with 'why' an update failed - I'd already prepared for that having monitored previous messages and just wiped the failing hard disk and started clean <g> YOU still will not work on my local network (PROXY!), but the latest fou4s did the updates in it's usual stable way, and I have a nice stable setup NOW - next step is to load Kylix3 and see if that will now work <bg>. -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services
In article <3DEB12D4.5040000@lsces.co.uk>,
YOU still will not work on my local network (PROXY!),
From 3migquo0q0slg1qen1qq6se5v8kbjdtie3@4ax.com
For the time being, just edit /etc/wgetrc. Search for the line #passive_ftp = off , remove the hash sign in front and change the 'off' to 'on'.
Does this help? Nik
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 01:05:37PM +0100, Nik wrote:
In article <3DEB12D4.5040000@lsces.co.uk>,
YOU still will not work on my local network (PROXY!),
From 3migquo0q0slg1qen1qq6se5v8kbjdtie3@4ax.com
For the time being, just edit /etc/wgetrc. Search for the line #passive_ftp = off , remove the hash sign in front and change the 'off' to 'on'.
Does this help? Nik
FWIW: I've so far only put 8.1 on one machine. It suffered from non-YOU-ability in extremis. So I tried a couple different things I've seen on this list. (Including starting to suspect my firewall ;) I forget the exact sequence of what I did, but in the end I saw the above mentioned advice. Went to edit /etc/wgetrc - only to discover it wasn't on the system. This led me to check which wget rpm was installed... and it wasn't... Now I don't know if this can be attributed to the fact that I initially chose a 'minimal' install... (?) But in any case, I thought I should mention it, for the record... Once wget was installed (by way of nfs-exported dvd from a different machine) everything worked very nicely... :) Oh yeah, this was clean install, not an up{grade|date}. HTH Jon Clausen
Hello, Let me deposit my 0.02 c to this SuSE8.1 broken discussion. I don't have any problems with SuSE8.1 or its earliest versions 'cause I always download and custom compile plain kernels from kernel.org with all needed alsa modules from alsa-project.org. I also download as tar balls and compile most of important application I'm working with. My point is to install just a plain SuSE distro with minimum critical packages and install rest of needed packages manually from the sources. It takes a little bit time and efforts, but in the end I'm getting rock solid OS without further head breaking and hair pulling. It's physically impossible for SuSE team to evaluate and inspect all included packages due to short periods between OS releases. And when the release date has come the most of the packages get outdated anyway. -------------------
All in all I like 8.1, while I still look forward to improvements in
8.2.
Who knows when SuSE 8.2 is due to come? Alex
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:58:11AM -0800, Alex Daniloff wrote: : Hello, : Let me deposit my 0.02 c to this SuSE8.1 broken discussion. : I don't have any problems with SuSE8.1 or its earliest versions : 'cause I always download and custom compile plain kernels from : kernel.org with all needed alsa modules from alsa-project.org. : I also download as tar balls and compile most of important application : I'm working with. : My point is to install just a plain SuSE distro with minimum critical : packages and install rest of needed packages manually from the : sources. : It takes a little bit time and efforts, but in the end I'm getting : rock solid OS without further head breaking and hair pulling. : It's physically impossible for SuSE team to evaluate and inspect all : included packages due to short periods between OS releases. : And when the release date has come the most of the packages get : outdated anyway. Doesn't all this effort sort of defeat the purpose of a distribution? I mean, I thought that's exactly what we were buying with our hard-earned cash... : Who knows when SuSE 8.2 is due to come? If they follow the historical ~6 month release cycle, then it would be March of next year. --Jerry Open-Source software isn't a matter of life or death... ...It's much more important than that!
Hello, ------------------- <snip>
: My point is to install just a plain SuSE distro with minimum critical : packages and install rest of needed packages manually from the : sources. : It takes a little bit time and efforts, but in the end I'm getting : rock solid OS without further head breaking and hair pulling. <snip>
Doesn't all this effort sort of defeat the purpose of a distribution? I mean, I thought that's exactly what we were buying with our hard-earned cash...
It does not defeat the whole purpose of the distribution 'cause most of important system core packages and components are original ones as well as SuSE installation and configuration tools. Basically you're getting your own customized Linux OS based on SuSE distro. The benefites are that when you're upgrading your box to the next SuSE version, all your custom compiled/installed packages stay in tact without changing a bit. You can update them independently of your base OS without waiting while SuSE developers compile SuSE rpms with all these bugs and misconfigurations fixed. Alex
On Sunday 01 December 2002 16:26 pm, Dragan Stancevic wrote:
Is it just my experience that 8.1 is the most broken SuSE distro ever? Due to so many things not working for me I think it took me a few weeks to vent out my fury after upgrading. Oh, the things I thought about doing with the 8.1 Box. Is it just me or have others had similar problems?
You'd get my vote on that. Used 8.1 for about 3 days and then did a complete re-install of 8.0. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 12/01/02 17:02 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "A king's castle is his home."
On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 13:26, Dragan Stancevic wrote:
Hi,
I am not trying to start a flame war or anything. I just want to know if other people had the same experience with SuSE8.1 as I did.
I've been using SuSE since 4.xx and I must admit that I have never had so many problems as I did with 8.1.
It's visually a stunning distribution and the package management/dependencies are great with "YOU". They did a great job with the user friendly management tools. But I have spent about a month fixing things on my ThinkPad after I switched from 8.0 to 8.1. My workstation that I tried installing on is still waiting for me to fix it, it wouldn't boot after Installing, not to mention that it wouldn't even format the disks in the first place.
Things that are not working for me on 8.1 but have worked on 8.0: PCMCIA: Flash cards (haven't tried other's) 1GB of memory: Wouldn't install on my laptop (UP) until I manually set mem to less than 1GB DAC960: My workstation(SMP) with a Mylex 1164 raid card wont boot after install VMWare: Segfaults and kernel oopses after loading a OS in the virtual machine Mathematica 4.2: It starts up but any complicated calculation will make the system go to lala land.
There are other things but those are major ones for me that *have* worked under 8.0 just fine.
Is it just my experience that 8.1 is the most broken SuSE distro ever? Due to so many things not working for me I think it took me a few weeks to vent out my fury after upgrading. Oh, the things I thought about doing with the 8.1 Box. Is it just me or have others had similar problems?
Thanks.
-- Peace can only come as a natural consequence of universal enlightenment. -Dr. Nikola Tesla
I have also had a number of problems with 8.1 that worked in 8.0.
1. CUPS does not work with netgear printserver on NFS. Several other people have had the same problems.
2. Took forever to get NFS to work. Still have to start NFS manually after boot, it will not start automatically.
3. Kivo is broken but worked in 8.0.
4. Had problems with ACPI, still not completely resolved.
5. YAST online update is sloooow compared to 8.0 although it does work quite nicely.
6. Have intermittent mouse problems reported by others also.
The install went the best I have ever had, especially considering the NVIDIA Geforce2 Go card. It worked out of the box without futzing with XF86Config after the download of the NVIDIA drivers.
The USB Scanner worked, but Firewire harddrive still a pain to get operating. Audio also worked out of the box.
Art
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I am not trying to start a flame war or anything. I just want to know if other people had the same experience with SuSE8.1 as I did.
hi! and nope , geneally it was a piece of cake nd worked right out of hte box.. except for the YOU problem that was fixed w/ some command or other that made it suddenly realise there really was somehting to do ... go get list , show list , items chosen , go get the rpms and install .. It's as easy as it can ever be , I suspect. No problems on the install at all.... The updated nvidea drivers I had already downloaded and had them on a backup cd .. so that went okay... just the YOU not getting any updates when one would attempt it right afte the install ... was teh only problme I had. As for hardware , it found and setup everything I had, by it's correct brand name yet!.. Well , except it doesn't see my Zaurus cradle w/ theZ plugged in .. but it does see the card reader out of the box and w/o a reboot!! wow! And yeah , it looks great! </caveat> However, in our SOHO , I have not upgraded hubby's PC as he has a solid 8.0 seatup and doesn't have any serious need for the updated USB stuff. His Codeweavers Office product regognized the card reader ... so he has that capability .. once codeweavers gets a few things sorted , he's going to lose his win2000 pro partition. .... And then there were none <G> Once that is done it will require a reinstll of linux at that time in order to reclaim the windows partition.. ANd it will be either 8.0 or 8.1 depending on how the fixes are once we get to the "del c:\" IF 8.1 which is being patched at what seems like super human speed , has the litle problems fixored, he upgrades, if not, he stays w/ 8.0 until hardware or software just wond run on it any more -- j afterthought: I love cats...they taste just like chicken.
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Alex Daniloff -
Art Fore -
Bruce Marshall -
Dragan Stancevic -
FX Fraipont -
Jerry A! -
jfweber＠bellsouth.net -
Johnny Ernst Nielsen -
Jon Clausen -
lester＠lsces.co.uk -
Nik -
Rob Benton