[opensuse] Display of charset
Hi listmates, My applications show only the basic latin characterset. The characters of other sets such as Latin-1 supplement don't show up. so I get instead of "een" "één" How and where can I correct this behaviour ? thanks, Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans de Faber wrote:
Hi listmates,
My applications show only the basic latin characterset. The characters of other sets such as Latin-1 supplement don't show up. so I get instead of "een" "één" How and where can I correct this behaviour ? thanks, Hans
Hi Hans what kind of applications do you use and where is there output displayed? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/11/10 13:13, Per Jessen wrote:
Hans de Faber wrote:
Hi listmates,
My applications show only the basic latin characterset. The characters of other sets such as Latin-1 supplement don't show up. so I get instead of "een" "één" How and where can I correct this behaviour ? thanks, Hans
Hi Hans
what kind of applications do you use and where is there output displayed?
I am talking about apps like thunderbird or akregator nothing special. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/11/10 13:39, Hans de Faber wrote:
On 02/11/10 13:13, Per Jessen wrote:
Hans de Faber wrote:
Hi listmates,
My applications show only the basic latin characterset. The characters of other sets such as Latin-1 supplement don't show up. so I get instead of "een" "één" How and where can I correct this behaviour ? thanks, Hans
Hi Hans
what kind of applications do you use and where is there output displayed?
I am talking about apps like thunderbird or akregator nothing special. or kwrite same problem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/2/2010 8:39 AM, Hans de Faber wrote:
On 02/11/10 13:13, Per Jessen wrote:
Hans de Faber wrote:
Hi listmates,
My applications show only the basic latin characterset. The characters of other sets such as Latin-1 supplement don't show up. so I get instead of "een" "één" How and where can I correct this behaviour ? thanks, Hans
Hi Hans
what kind of applications do you use and where is there output displayed?
I am talking about apps like thunderbird or akregator nothing special.
The point of the question isn't that any particular app is special, it's that there are a dozen or more things that come into play to arrive at a the final display of a particular glyph in any context, and there are at least few different main types of context. There are system-wide settings that apply at the console and everywhere else, there are Xserver-wide settings that don't apply to the console but apply to all graphical apps, there are desktop environment settings that don't apply to the console or to the X session itself, but do apply to all apps within that desktop environment (say, kde), and there are application-specific settings that only apply to one application, even document-specific settings that only apply to a particular document. And there are more than one way to change most of those settings, usually by a per-session or per-user setting overriding a sytem-wide default. I could fix it if I were looking at it, but I couldn't begin to diagnose and back track it via email like this unfortunately. Hopefully among the hundred and fifty possibilities there is one that's common and someone can say "check this". Check your locale/language/keyboad settings in yast and in whatever desktop environment you use. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On 02/11/10 13:13, Per Jessen wrote:
Hans de Faber wrote:
My applications show only the basic latin characterset. The characters of other sets such as Latin-1 supplement don't show up. so I get instead of "een" "één" How and where can I correct this behaviour ? thanks, Hans
Hi Hans
what kind of applications do you use and where is there output displayed?
I am talking about apps like thunderbird or akregator nothing special.
Sounds like you have a problem with "locale". Following two url's will give you an idea: http://doc.opensuse.org/products/SLES/SLES-deployment/cha.y2.lang.html http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/applications/424666-change-... I have: 09:14 wahoo:~ > locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL= -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans de Faber wrote:
On 02/11/10 13:13, Per Jessen wrote:
Hans de Faber wrote:
Hi listmates,
My applications show only the basic latin characterset. The characters of other sets such as Latin-1 supplement don't show up. so I get instead of "een" "één" How and where can I correct this behaviour ? thanks, Hans
Hi Hans
what kind of applications do you use and where is there output displayed?
I am talking about apps like thunderbird or akregator nothing special.
Okay, how about showing us a screensot? It sounds like you're talking about emails - é is an HTML character entity reference, so somehow you're seeing HTML source. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/11/10 16:14, Per Jessen wrote:
Hans de Faber wrote:
On 02/11/10 13:13, Per Jessen wrote:
Hans de Faber wrote:
Hi listmates,
My applications show only the basic latin characterset. The characters of other sets such as Latin-1 supplement don't show up. so I get instead of "een" "één" How and where can I correct this behaviour ? thanks, Hans
Hi Hans
what kind of applications do you use and where is there output displayed?
I am talking about apps like thunderbird or akregator nothing special.
Okay, how about showing us a screensot? It sounds like you're talking about emails - é is an HTML character entity reference, so somehow you're seeing HTML source.
I did my homework now and studied something about charactersets. My locale is set to "en_GB.UTF-8". My idea was, when my charset is utf8 al characters of different languages are available. I should then be possible to read content in different languages correctly. But it wasn't. In the case of an email or webpage I forgot that if the sender uses a different charset for instance iso8859-15 and I use utf8 some characters are wrong. If I switch to the same charset as the sender it should be possible to read it correct. But always switching charsets is not what want. In thunderbird I even don't know how to switch a charset. Then its difficult to read an email in german or french. Maybe it is a good option to change my locale to en_GB.iso8859-15 ??? Did I do my homework correct or made I some mistakes? Thanks, Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans de Faber wrote:
I did my homework now and studied something about charactersets. My locale is set to "en_GB.UTF-8". My idea was, when my charset is utf8 al characters of different languages are available. I should then be possible to read content in different languages correctly.
Yes, provided the content has been sent in UTF8.
But it wasn't. In the case of an email or webpage I forgot that if the sender uses a different charset for instance iso8859-15 and I use utf8 some characters are wrong.
When you're viewing content that has a characterset associated with it, there is usually no reason to override it.
If I switch to the same charset as the sender it should be possible to read it correct. But always switching charsets is not what want.
Just leave it as "automatic".
In thunderbird I even don't know how to switch a charset. Then its difficult to read an email in german or french.
Umm, I have no problem with either one. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2010-11-02 at 16:54 +0100, Hans de Faber wrote:
I did my homework now and studied something about charactersets. My locale is set to "en_GB.UTF-8". My idea was, when my charset is utf8 al characters of different languages are available. I should then be possible to read content in different languages correctly.
Yes, with text. Html seems to have its own means.
But it wasn't. In the case of an email or webpage I forgot that if the sender uses a different charset for instance iso8859-15 and I use utf8 some characters are wrong. If I switch to the same charset as the sender it should be possible to read it correct. But always switching charsets is not what want.
Leave it on automatic. The sender program should say what charset it is using so that receiving program displays properly. The problem is that some do not. For example, for some reason, this page displays badly: http://es.tldp.org/Articulos/0000otras/doc-traduccion-libre/doc-traduccion-l... needs selecting manually charset iso...-15.
In thunderbird I even don't know how to switch a charset.
View / charset encoding, choose. I use automatic, but on some cases I have to choose.
Then its difficult to read an email in german or french.
Maybe it is a good option to change my locale to en_GB.iso8859-15 ???
No, it would be worse. Most linux software is nowdays designed for utf. if you receive an email with a character outside of the choosen iso range, you will not be able to display it at all. (single byte chars) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkzQ4aAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UUkACgl6Kv08zUrdGwqTtCtIvRdh/t 5sQAoJNEqK4scqsPM6XDTmmgxB/WQLme =eAnY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Everybody thanks for all info. I didn't realise that most of the time I read everything correct and that the problem was the particular webpage or email. Hans On 03/11/10 05:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Tuesday, 2010-11-02 at 16:54 +0100, Hans de Faber wrote:
I did my homework now and studied something about charactersets. My locale is set to "en_GB.UTF-8". My idea was, when my charset is utf8 al characters of different languages are available. I should then be possible to read content in different languages correctly.
Yes, with text. Html seems to have its own means.
But it wasn't. In the case of an email or webpage I forgot that if the sender uses a different charset for instance iso8859-15 and I use utf8 some characters are wrong. If I switch to the same charset as the sender it should be possible to read it correct. But always switching charsets is not what want.
Leave it on automatic. The sender program should say what charset it is using so that receiving program displays properly. The problem is that some do not.
For example, for some reason, this page displays badly:
http://es.tldp.org/Articulos/0000otras/doc-traduccion-libre/doc-traduccion-l...
needs selecting manually charset iso...-15.
In thunderbird I even don't know how to switch a charset.
View / charset encoding, choose. I use automatic, but on some cases I have to choose.
Then its difficult to read an email in german or french.
Maybe it is a good option to change my locale to en_GB.iso8859-15 ???
No, it would be worse. Most linux software is nowdays designed for utf. if you receive an email with a character outside of the choosen iso range, you will not be able to display it at all. (single byte chars)
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)
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Hello, On Wed, 03 Nov 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote:
For example, for some reason, this page displays badly:
http://es.tldp.org/Articulos/0000otras/doc-traduccion-libre/doc-traduccion-l...
needs selecting manually charset iso...-15.
It's broken. The page is ISO-8859-15 (correctly declared inside the html header), but the server send a charset=UTF-8 HTTP-Header which takes precendence over the HTML-Header. -dnh -- So Linus, what are we doing tonight? The same thing we do every night Tux. Try to take over the world! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
participants (6)
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Brian K. White
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Carlos E. R.
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David Haller
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Hans de Faber
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Patrick Shanahan
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Per Jessen