RE: [SLE] FTP Kernel Installation
Ummm.... whoops! Josh
-----Original Message----- From: Pablo Fanjul Gómez [mailto:pablo.fanjul@seresco.es] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:49 AM To: 'GriffinRider' Subject: RE: [SLE] FTP Kernel Installation
SMP means something like Simetric Multi Proccesor or Proccess, i dont think u have more than 1 CPU in your Pc, so i think is not for u ;)
-----Mensaje original----- De: GriffinRider [mailto:griffinrider@alltel.net] Enviado el: martes, 18 de diciembre de 2001 11:45 Para: SuSE Asunto: [SLE] FTP Kernel Installation
I just went through the SUSE FTP install. I'm impressed. I was able to get it to work on my first try! Couple of questions arose. At the end, it asked me about updating the kernel. Now I'm a newbie as most of you know (how embarassing!), and I wasn't sure which one to choose. There were options for kernels optimized for Pentium, Pentium classic, three had "with SMP" attached and well, I use an AMD Athlon, so I thought "Pentium optimized is not for me".
So I chose the only one that seemed to fit (Kernel 2.4.0 With SMP). Is there no "Optimized for Athlon"? And also, I read on this list that people found bugs with this kernel. Is this something I need to be concerned about? Finally, what is the "proper" method to update the kernel for my Suse installation?
LILO:
Also, near the end it asked me if I wanted to update LILO. I said, sure (just to make sure everything was as it should be). It loaded up, and the configuration was as I left it, so I selected abort (no need to fix something that I broke). So then I was informed I needed to reboot and once I did, I got a string that was so nonsensical Bill Clinton would have looked like a reasonably rational fellow. This was followed by the word "boot:". It was at this point I typed Windows (my mail program is here), and thought I'd better ask you guys. Normally I get a nice graphical menu, but I don't get that anymore. Any suggestions? My thought is:
1. At "boot:" type "linux" 2. When linux boots up, run Yast, and reconfigure LILO.
But I thought I better ask first.
Thanks alot, Josh
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Hi J.Lee (thought I would make the distinction :)
Kernels compiled for a Pentium will work fine if not better than a 386 kernel on an Athlon.
Yeah, I didn't choose the 386. I assumed when I chose the 2.4.0 kernel with SMP I was choosing a rather generic kernel, not specifically geared towards anyone processor, but an all-around good one. As I asked before, isn't there one optimized for the Athlon? According to Pablo, I selected a kernel that was the wrong one! Should try to update via FTP again to fix it?
Thanks alot, Josh
Nice name, BTW. :-)
I've always thought so!
On Tuesday 18 December 2001 06:05 am, GriffinRider wrote:
Kernels compiled for a Pentium will work fine if not better than a 386 kernel on an Athlon.
Yeah, I didn't choose the 386. I assumed when I chose the 2.4.0 kernel with SMP I was choosing a rather generic kernel, not specifically geared towards
SMP = Symmetric Multi-Processor. You'd know it if you had one, the average desktop machine doesn't have one - it's mostly servers, though a few hobbiests buy them as custom motherboards. It probably is a Bad Idea to use one on a single CPU system.
anyone processor, but an all-around good one. As I asked before, isn't there one optimized for the Athlon?
You probably could compile your own, but I wouldn't reccomend that unless you really know what you're doing. Pentium optimizations, however, also improve Athlon performance, so selecting the Pentium kernels would work.
According to Pablo, I selected a kernel that was the wrong one! Should try to update via FTP again to fix it?
Maybe that's a good idea if you won't loose anything doing it.
Thanks alot, Josh
Nice name, BTW. :-)
I've always thought so!
Me too. :-)
Alright, I've rerun the FTP installation, and it quickly found out that everything was up-to-date and moved on to both the kernel and lilo configurations. I selected the 2.4.0 kernel (Optimized for Pentium) and then resaved my LILO configuration. Everything is fine on that front! Thanks for the help guys. Now on to a couple of others: Someone recently posted the method by which you add a line to some configuration file to enable the scroll-wheel. Unfortunately I lost that post. I remember where in the file, just don't remember which file or what the line was supposed say. Could I get that again? I like the updates to KDE2, pretty cool. However, I had a problem with YAST2. To sum it up, I ended up with a rogue window that wouldn't close (heck it didn't even have a normal window border). Unfortunately, I have no idea how to list, select, and kill the process. Any help for future reference would be nice. Other than that, I'm pretty good to go. If someone could give me a pointer to where I could find a fun (and let me reiterate the word "fun") tutorial on learning the basics of the Linux operating system (i.e. using various shells, compiling my own kernels, understanding dependencies, etc...). I'm a developer and sometimes Windows user. I look at tech manuals all the time (on MS products unfortunately). I'm a bit sick of tech manuals, ergo the request for a "fun" tutorial. Linux is my play time and I want something lighthearted to do to learn it! Thanks alot people. You have all been a great help, and I apologize to all for that one post that had the comment to which some people took offense. Josh
On Tuesday 18 December 2001 08:11 am, GriffinRider wrote: I already replied to this in private mail before I saw it on the list, so my apologies to you since you've seen it before but I wanted to share a couple of things with everyone else.
YAST2. To sum it up, I ended up with a rogue window that wouldn't close (heck it didn't even have a normal window border). Unfortunately, I have no idea how to list, select, and kill the process. Any help for future
The easiest way is pressing control-alt-escape, and clicking on the window.
Other than that, I'm pretty good to go. If someone could give me a pointer to where I could find a fun (and let me reiterate the word "fun") tutorial on learning the basics of the Linux operating system (i.e. using various shells, compiling my own kernels, understanding dependencies, etc...). I'm
The best book on Linux I've ever read is O'Reilly's book "Unix Power Tools". Don't be fooled by the book's title, this is not merely a collection of Unix utilities (though it does include on the CD a few old versions of GNU utilities that all Linux includes out of the box, along with the source for the examples in the book) but rather very fun to browse through friendly guides to many of the secrets to being an expert Unix or Linux (which is based on Unix) user. It's unique also because it's the only book I've seen that could be like hypertext, it is full of special cross references and the authors reccomend, after you've read the introductory chapter, *not* to read the book in sequence but just dive into it any time you feel like exploring something. (Which is a good thing too because it is a large book, it'd take a while to read cover to cover all at once.)
Sorry Josh, I've been real busy,
YAST2. To sum it up, I ended up with a rogue window that wouldn't close (heck it didn't even have a normal window border). Unfortunately, I have no idea how to list, select, and kill the process. Any help for future
The easiest way is pressing control-alt-escape, and clicking on the window.
Doesn't seem to work. I get a skull & crossbones icon, which I assume is meant to simulate the "kill" command when I click on a given window. No luck. I found a process list window in KDE2, but it's hard to read because nothing will sit on top of this rogue window which I've had twice! (I simply go into Yast2, select rs.config and do something like "Back" or change to a different module and the rs.config module jumps out of the control center into it's own unclosabe, non-functioning window that takes up 85% of the screen). Logging out and back in seems to get rid of it, but I don't like having weird problems like that
Other than that, I'm pretty good to go. If someone could give me a pointer to where I could find a fun (and let me reiterate the word "fun") tutorial on learning the basics of the Linux operating system (i.e. using various shells, compiling my own kernels, understanding dependencies, etc...). I'm
The best book on Linux I've ever read is O'Reilly's book "Unix Power Tools". Don't be fooled by the book's title, this is not merely a collection of Unix utilities (though it does include on the CD a few old versions of GNU utilities that all Linux includes out of the box, along with the source for the examples in the book) but rather very fun to browse through friendly guides to many of the secrets to being an expert Unix or Linux (which is based on Unix) user. It's unique also because it's the only book I've seen that could be like hypertext, it is full of special cross references and the authors reccomend, after you've read the introductory chapter, *not* to read the book in sequence but just dive into it any time you feel like exploring something. (Which is a good thing too because it is a large book, it'd take a while to read cover to cover all at once.)
Thanks for the tip! I'll see if I can talk the old lady into letting me buy it with my own money! :) Josh
I wanted to add a new user using yast. After inputting the relevant information, I hit F4 (create user). I get the dialog box "You have changed data in the screen. These changes are lost when you continue. Are you sure? < Yes > < No > " I say, "yes" and am returned to the previous menu without any action. Hitting F1 (help) does the same. My versions: SuSE 7.3, yast 1.13.3 (Hitting no annulls the selections) Any idea? -- Ragnar Steingrimsson | Department of Cognitive Sciences UC-Irvine, SSPA 3151 | Email: ragnar@uci.edu Irvine, CA 92697 | Small Green Men
On Thursday 20 December 2001 06:48, Ragnar Steingrimsson wrote:
I wanted to add a new user using yast. After inputting the relevant information, I hit F4 (create user). I get the dialog box
"You have changed data in the screen. These changes are lost when you continue.
Are you sure?
< Yes > < No > "
I say, "yes" and am returned to the previous menu without any action. Hitting F1 (help) does the same.
My versions: SuSE 7.3, yast 1.13.3
(Hitting no annulls the selections)
Any idea?
Is this is an xterm in X perhaps? It looks like you get what amounts to F10 instead of F4... I had that problem when running yast in Konsole. Solution for me, was trying different Settings>Keyboard. vt100 works IIRC, but in any case just try out different settings 'til you get one that works... HTH Jon Clausen P.S. Maybe this is something for the FAQ?
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Jon Clausen wrote:
On Thursday 20 December 2001 06:48, Ragnar Steingrimsson wrote:
I wanted to add a new user using yast. After inputting the relevant information, I hit F4 (create user). I get the dialog box
Is this is an xterm in X perhaps?
It looks like you get what amounts to F10 instead of F4...
I had that problem when running yast in Konsole. Solution for me, was trying different Settings>Keyboard. vt100 works IIRC, but in any case just try out different settings 'til you get one that works...
That was it. Thank you. It seems that yast does not like xterm. I change the keyboard directly from the Konsole->settings to vt100 and all when well. Thanks again. -- Ragnar Steingrimsson | Department of Cognitive Sciences UC-Irvine, SSPA 3151 | Email: ragnar@uci.edu Irvine, CA 92697 | Small Green Men
...sometimes a mistakes leads to strange things...here is one that I think is definitely a challenge... I accidentally issued the command chown -R newOner:newGroup * In /home (i.e. I change the owner and group for all users in /home) I repaired the damage (including changing back to root in appropriate cases). However, "rlogin" hangs (until timeout) on a certain domain only. A user that I made after the error does not have the same problem with "rlogin" on the domain in question, hence I conclude the problem is related to the "chown" debacle (wasn't there before either). ssh works for the domain (I don't know about "telnet" as the machine doesn't accept "telnet"). Any ideas? Best regards, P.s. I seem to recall that some time ago there was a question about ps2pdf which made documents with terrible screen fonts. I think I have a solution (at least for latex) but I have long since deleted the email. If this reaches anyone with the problem, let me know. -- Ragnar Steingrimsson | Department of Cognitive Sciences UC-Irvine, SSPA 3151 | Email: ragnar@uci.edu Irvine, CA 92697 | Small Green Men
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Ragnar Steingrimsson wrote:
I repaired the damage (including changing back to root in appropriate cases). However, "rlogin" hangs (until timeout) on a certain domain only. A user that I made after the error does not have the same problem with "rlogin" on the domain in question, hence I conclude the problem is related to the "chown" debacle (wasn't there before either).
Oh, oh...a page out of the Microsoft-world story: the problem resolved itself after a, gasp, reboot. Still don't know what caused it but it is fixed. Best regards, -- Ragnar Steingrimsson | Department of Cognitive Sciences UC-Irvine, SSPA 3151 | Email: ragnar@uci.edu Irvine, CA 92697 | Small Green Men
On Wednesday 19 December 2001 11:22 pm, you wrote:
The easiest way is pressing control-alt-escape, and clicking on the window.
Doesn't seem to work. I get a skull & crossbones icon, which I assume is meant to simulate the "kill" command when I click on a given window. No
OK. Open up a terminal window and use ps -aux to find the process number. (Pipe it to grep with a string you're looking for to find it without looking at the often long list.) Then type kill with the process id. If that doesn't work, use kill -9 on it; which will stop anything no matter what.
The best book on Linux I've ever read is O'Reilly's book "Unix Power Tools". Don't be fooled by the book's title, this is not merely a collection of Unix utilities (though it does include on the CD a few
Thanks for the tip! I'll see if I can talk the old lady into letting me buy it with my own money! :)
It's good but it's not a total beginner's manual, you'll need some other tutorials to learn the commands you'll need, such as ps, kill, and everything else. O'Reilly (www.oreilly.com) publishes a lot of good Linux and Unix books, some fun to read, others dry (but well written) references.
The easiest way is pressing control-alt-escape, and clicking on the window.
Doesn't seem to work. I get a skull & crossbones icon, which I assume is meant to simulate the "kill" command when I click on a given window. No
OK. Open up a terminal window and use ps -aux to find the process number. (Pipe it to grep with a string you're looking for to find it without looking at the often long list.) Then type kill with the process id. If that doesn't work, use kill -9 on it; which will stop anything no matter what.
Care to provide an example of you would pipe something to grep? You might use an example of ps -aux if you like. :) Also, what ***all*** does kill -9 kill?
The best book on Linux I've ever read is O'Reilly's book "Unix Power Tools". Don't be fooled by the book's title, this is not merely a collection of Unix utilities (though it does include on the CD a few
Thanks for the tip! I'll see if I can talk the old lady into letting me buy it with my own money! :)
It's good but it's not a total beginner's manual, you'll need some other tutorials to learn the commands you'll need, such as ps, kill, and everything else. O'Reilly (www.oreilly.com) publishes a lot of good Linux and Unix books, some fun to read, others dry (but well written) references.
I've had, for awhile, an older edition of "Using Linux, Special Edition". I'm picking up some things there (reading room material :), and it seems like a fairly good reference book, if perhaps a bit dated (I'm not certain, here). Josh
On Thursday 20 December 2001 01:35 am, GriffinRider wrote:
OK. Open up a terminal window and use ps -aux to find the process number. (Pipe it to grep with a string you're looking for to find it without looking at the often long list.) Then type kill with the process id. If that doesn't work, use kill -9 on it; which will stop anything no matter what.
Care to provide an example of you would pipe something to grep? You might use an example of ps -aux if you like. :)
ps -aux | grep hal9000 That will give you the pid (process id) of proccesses that include the string hall9000 Then you use kill on it, for example, if the pid is 99999 kill 99999 Wait a bit, then if it still looks frozen... kill -9 99999
Also, what ***all*** does kill -9 kill?
kill -9 will kill any process I think, the signal can't be trapped.
It's good but it's not a total beginner's manual, you'll need some other tutorials to learn the commands you'll need, such as ps, kill, and everything else. O'Reilly (www.oreilly.com) publishes a lot of good Linux and Unix books, some fun to read, others dry (but well written) references.
I've had, for awhile, an older edition of "Using Linux, Special Edition".
I haven't read it. Another thing you might want to consider is browsing the references that come with SuSE; type in "man command" or "info command" for generic short reference material. Several PDF books (that are mostly dated) are installable, and also there's documentation for most packages under /usr/share/doc/packages. Also, some other documentation is reachable via the SuSE help item; the geeko life-raft icon in KDE will take you to it.
I'm picking up some things there (reading room material :), and it seems like a fairly good reference book, if perhaps a bit dated (I'm not certain, here).
If you'd like something truely dated but interesting, try Kernighan and Pike's "The Unix Programming Environment".
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