* Basil Chupin [11-19-09 00:28]:

So the obvious question is then, how does provide the ability to "override....defaults"? Is it running sax2 as I stated to David and amending it to suit what you want?

Doh, make an xorg.conf and it *will* be used, but is not necessarily needed. Rocket science.... -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/11/19 16:27 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

So the obvious question is then, how does provide the ability to "override....defaults"?

Vi? Emacs? Nano? Mcedit? KWrite? Use whichever you like to create or modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

Is it running sax2 as I stated to David and amending it to suit what you want?

Sax2 was not yet removed before 11.2 was released. IIRC it still may be included in 11.3, but don't expect it after that. X :1 -configure probably still works for fully automatic creation of a foundation to edit. system-config-display or some such may be required after 11.3 for semi-automatic building. -- The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Pardon my abysmal ignorance, but what is supposed to replace xorg.conf and all the wonderful X stuff behind it? Is there a RTFM on this? Daniel Basil Chupin wrote:

On 19/11/09 17:24, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2009/11/19 16:27 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

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So the obvious question is then, how does provide the ability to "override....defaults"?

Vi? Emacs? Nano? Mcedit? KWrite? Use whichever you like to create or modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

Not the question....

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Is it running sax2 as I stated to David and amending it to suit what you want?

Sax2 was not yet removed before 11.2 was released.

You obviously do not run 11.2.

There is no xorg.conf in 11.2

The OP was questioning the 11.2 installation.

BC

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On 19/11/09 17:51, Daniel Feiglin wrote:

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Pardon my abysmal ignorance, but what is supposed to replace xorg.conf and all the wonderful X stuff behind it? Is there a RTFM on this?

Excellent question. The only thing I know is that it is now - in 11.2 - all done with "smoke and mirrors" and that it is all done "magically" at the time of booting the system.

It is done "on the fly", at run time.

Where the information is located to do all this is not known to me.

But then, Herr Wernher von Baun, is posting that creating an xorg.conf, using sax2, and whatever you put into it, will be used to get your video screen working correctly. Or so I read what Herr von Braun has stated.

Yes, that is correct. "Simply" create an xorg.conf file, and put there whatever you need to override the automatic detection. The file doesn't need to contain the entire configuration, just the changed "lines" or sections. I don't know if it is documented how exactly to do it, but it has been known for months, in the factory list at least. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksFBToACgkQU92UU+smfQXTxwCfdvk87MEQgF1y34MXV5nWoLV2 zgwAn0gHZTHNNhkcE5Tgl6+VHvQCck2o =SHUM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 19 November 2009 08:56:16 Clayton wrote:

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Excellent question. The only thing I know is that it is now - in 11.2 - all done with "smoke and mirrors" and that it is all done "magically" at the time of booting the system.

It is done "on the fly", at run time.

It's not new to the Linux world... new to openSUSE though. Ubuntu has been doing this for at least one prior release...

Magic happens at boot, and somehow it all seems to work :-P I'm happy it works, but... I'd like to know more about how this magic works for when it goes wrong - that said, it hasn't gone wrong yet... auto detects odd resolutions correctly etc as well. (eg 1024x600 resolution on my netbook is set correctly on first boot).

C.

I am yet to upgrade from 11.1 to 11.2. Will this magic automatically detect and configure my dual head/twin screen display? I have an nVidia GeForce 9200GS graphics card. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.1, Kernel 2.6.27.37-0.1-default, KDE 4.3 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 4GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9200GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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I am yet to upgrade from 11.1 to 11.2. Will this magic automatically detect and configure my dual head/twin screen display? I have an nVidia GeForce 9200GS graphics card.

Who knows? You try and report back >:-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksFL70ACgkQU92UU+smfQWJbQCdHjeI9XR7m2u0pqxI5jcKRXNb fAUAn0uRkW1lfxEn5ZLSJoGSB7LC1ABm =922b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Pardon my abysmal ignorance, but what is supposed to replace xorg.conf and all the wonderful X stuff behind it? Is there a RTFM on this?

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Excellent question. The only thing I know is that it is now - in 11.2 - all done with "smoke and mirrors" and that it is all done "magically" at the time of booting the system.

It is done "on the fly", at run time.

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Where the information is located to do all this is not known to me.

But then, Herr Wernher von Baun, is posting that creating an xorg.conf, using sax2, and whatever you put into it, will be used to get your video screen working correctly. Or so I read what Herr von Braun has stated.

Yes, that is correct.

"Simply" create an xorg.conf file, and put there whatever you need to override the automatic detection. The file doesn't need to contain the entire configuration, just the changed "lines" or sections.

I don't know if it is documented how exactly to do it, but it has been known for months, in the factory list at least.

Hello: 1. I think this whole thing is crazy. I met this type of configuring screen in Xubuntu 9.04 and it (configuration) just failed. It set the screen always to 1280x960 at 60 Hz and after each login I had to set it manually to 1024x768 at 85 Hz; I don't have to mention how annoying it was. Debian with LXDE also did the same, fortunately it could remember screen setting for users but the login screen still looked terribly. I could not find out how to set screen resolution and frequency globally. 2. >"Simply" create an xorg.conf file, and put there whatever you need to override the automatic

detection. The file doesn't need to contain the entire configuration, just the changed "lines" or sections.

I don't think that making a working xorg.conf file is that simple. Especially if one does not know exactly which of those many lines does what. If I understand correctly sax2 was removed from 11.2. How can I make an xorg.conf file then from scratch? It would be ridiculous (and also very bad) if the application that could be used for creating an xorg.conf file easily was removed from the distro. 3. There is no problem until the system detects and conigures your graphics card and screen correctly AND according to your needs. But how to fix it if it doesn't? (Eg. you don't like 1600x1200 and want 1024x768 instead). Strange that there is no howto or manual on this issue. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 19/11/09 23:12, ne... wrote:

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:40, Istvan Gabor wrote: [...]

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I don't think that making a working xorg.conf file is that simple. Especially if one does not know exactly which of those many lines does what. If I understand correctly sax2 was removed from 11.2. How can I make an xorg.conf file then from scratch? It would be ridiculous (and also very bad) if the application that could be used for creating an xorg.conf file easily was removed from the distro.

Xorg -configure. Please read up on the Xorg man page.

ne...

ne, how many new users of openSUSE and installing oS for the first time after using...I cannot type the name :'( ... are familiar with the fact to "read up on the Xorg man page". To them, what the heck is a "man page"?! I know, and you know, but what about the poor bugger who buys a Linux magazine with openSUSE 11.2 on it and tries to install it but doesn't have his video correctly configured? OK already, he finally gets to this mail list and asks the question - and he sees your response, "read up.....the Xorg man page". Around the mullberry bush we go....what is "man page"? And to top it all all off, manuals are written for those people who already KNOW about the subject; manuals are NOT written to provide the novice with the necessary information to resolve his/her query. Known fact in the environment where non-programmers have to deal with programmers - as I did. Look at the "man pages", generally. How many actually give you an example, a clear-cut, simple example(s), which shows "if you want to do this then type this on the command line"? :-) BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 20/11/09 00:20, Peter Nikolic wrote:

On Thursday 19 Nov 2009 12:53:19 Basil Chupin wrote:

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And to top it all all off, manuals are written for those people who already KNOW about the subject; manuals are NOT written to provide the novice with the necessary information to resolve his/her query. Known fact in the environment where non-programmers have to deal with programmers - as I did. Look at the "man pages", generally. How many actually give you an example, a clear-cut, simple example(s), which shows "if you want to do this then type this on the command line"? :-)

BC

Well said Basil this has been stated many times before but still you get the read the man page or even worse the RTFM boys offering what amounts to a big fat ZERO when it comes to constructive assistance , This seems to be an side effect of Opensuse these days.

Not just confined to oS, Pete. Been so for decades :-( and for various software. If you find some decent documentation written for a piece of software I will bet you pounds to peanuts that the documentation was written not by the programmer(s) but by a team of specialists employed to just write documentation. Besides, I have a tagline (which I cannot find at the moment) which goes something like this, "I olwais wonted too bee a progremer and naw i is won!". (Perhaps we should be grateful for small mercies :-) .) BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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And to top it all all off, manuals are written for those people who already KNOW about the subject; manuals are NOT written to provide the novice with the necessary information to resolve his/her query.

True. Worse, many programmer write poor documentation, if any. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksFRoIACgkQU92UU+smfQXU0QCeKkuwgM7+/eJVGsA+luRaICPC vfUAnjYeRY3dAwJ1PNY1JWBRJM4k1y/U =xgUY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Basil Chupin [11-19-09 08:37]:

The thing that a programmer abhors the most is writing documentation.....particularly when they don't know about the program they are programming :-) .

Well, at least that logic seems appropriate -- The Rocket Scientist -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 20/11/09 10:13, Doug McGarrett wrote:

At 12:34 AM 11/20/2009 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 20/11/09 00:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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And to top it all all off, manuals are written for those people who already KNOW about the subject; manuals are NOT written to provide the novice with the necessary information to resolve his/her query.

True.

Worse, many programmer write poor documentation, if any.

Oh, so true!

The thing that a programmer abhors the most is writing documentation.....particularly when they don't know about the program they are programming :-) .

BC

I am writing a tribute to a programmer I worked with for quite a few years, when I was still working as an engineer. Her name is Cathy. She works for what is now a part of Honeywell, the part that was Ademco at the time. She is an excellent programmer, she knows Unix but doesn't use it in her present position, and she is an excellent writer and editor of installer and user manuals. Not everybody should be tarred by the same brush!

--doug

Well said, Doug! BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 19 November 2009 04:53:19 am Basil Chupin wrote:

On 19/11/09 23:12, ne... wrote:

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On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:40, Istvan Gabor wrote: [...]

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I don't think that making a working xorg.conf file is that simple. Especially if one does not know exactly which of those many lines does what. If I understand correctly sax2 was removed from 11.2. How can I make an xorg.conf file then from scratch? It would be ridiculous (and also very bad) if the application that could be used for creating an xorg.conf file easily was removed from the distro.

Xorg -configure. Please read up on the Xorg man page.

ne...

ne, how many new users of openSUSE and installing oS for the first time after using...I cannot type the name :'( ... are familiar with the fact to "read up on the Xorg man page".

To them, what the heck is a "man page"?!

I know, and you know, but what about the poor bugger who buys a Linux magazine with openSUSE 11.2 on it and tries to install it but doesn't have his video correctly configured?

OK already, he finally gets to this mail list and asks the question - and he sees your response, "read up.....the Xorg man page". Around the mullberry bush we go....what is "man page"?

And to top it all all off, manuals are written for those people who already KNOW about the subject; manuals are NOT written to provide the novice with the necessary information to resolve his/her query. Known fact in the environment where non-programmers have to deal with programmers - as I did. Look at the "man pages", generally. How many actually give you an example, a clear-cut, simple example(s), which shows "if you want to do this then type this on the command line"? :-)

BC

The obvious answer to this situation, unfortunately, is ONE WORD: Kubuntu. I even suspect this is what the Opensuse developers secretly wish: Go away, noob and don't bother us. I've been using suse since 7.1 or something. I'm use to it, know that you really can't expect it to do all the things you want it to do out of the box and know about all the other good repositories you have to add. Because of this its only taken me three days to get OS 11.2 up and running, but I still have some issues with my previously perfectly working ATI card. (With no help in sight for that). I've been using Kubuntu in a virtual machine for some time, and it JUST WORKS. Its becoming obvious that any advantage provided by YAST is overwhelmed by the amount of time you spend tracking down solutions for deliberately broken packages, missing features, missing manuals, no built in help. -- If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 19/11/09 21:40, Istvan Gabor wrote:

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Pardon my abysmal ignorance, but what is supposed to replace xorg.conf and all the wonderful X stuff behind it? Is there a RTFM on this?

...

Excellent question. The only thing I know is that it is now - in 11.2 - all done with "smoke and mirrors" and that it is all done "magically" at the time of booting the system.

It is done "on the fly", at run time.

...

Where the information is located to do all this is not known to me.

But then, Herr Wernher von Baun, is posting that creating an xorg.conf, using sax2, and whatever you put into it, will be used to get your video screen working correctly. Or so I read what Herr von Braun has stated.

Yes, that is correct.

"Simply" create an xorg.conf file, and put there whatever you need to override the automatic detection. The file doesn't need to contain the entire configuration, just the changed "lines" or sections.

I don't know if it is documented how exactly to do it, but it has been known for months, in the factory list at least.

Hello:

1. I think this whole thing is crazy.

Now now. We must not be negative here, must we? The devs involved with oS need POSITIVE feedback like, "Oh. I think, just my opinion of course, but I can see a little problem...what can I do, please, in helping you to solve it, please? Would posting yet another bug report be of any assistance, please?" Now THAT's the way to tackle all this :-) .

I met this type of configuring screen in Xubuntu 9.04 and it (configuration) just failed.

Ooooh, you've just spake the wrong words, old boy :-( : *Ubuntu. This mail list's police patrol (one special-agent patrolman to be exact) may now stomp on you saying that this a mail list about openSUSE and *not* about *Ubuntu. Protect your bum for the next several weeks.....

It set the screen always to 1280x960 at 60 Hz and after each login I had to set it manually to 1024x768 at 85 Hz; I don't have to mention how annoying it was. Debian with LXDE also did the same, fortunately it could remember screen setting for users but the login screen still looked terribly. I could not find out how to set screen resolution and frequency globally.

2. >"Simply" create an xorg.conf file, and put there whatever you need to override the automatic

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detection. The file doesn't need to contain the entire configuration, just the changed "lines" or sections.

I don't think that making a working xorg.conf file is that simple. Especially if one does not know exactly which of those many lines does what. If I understand correctly sax2 was removed from 11.2. How can I make an xorg.conf file then from scratch? It would be ridiculous (and also very bad) if the application that could be used for creating an xorg.conf file easily was removed from the distro.

3. There is no problem until the system detects and conigures your graphics card and screen correctly AND according to your needs. But how to fix it if it doesn't? (Eg. you don't like 1600x1200 and want 1024x768 instead). Strange that there is no howto or manual on this issue.

I have a feeling that the "patrolman" will reply to this telling you to "Google" for the answer! But then, I am not always right :-) . BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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If I understand correctly sax2 was removed from 11.2.

No.

This means that you still can use sax2 to configure your display and sax2 will create an xorg.conf file in /etc/X11, and this xorg.conf will override the automatic settings. Is this correct? Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:01, Istvan Gabor wrote:

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If I understand correctly sax2 was removed from 11.2.

No.

This means that you still can use sax2 to configure your display and sax2 will create an xorg.conf file in /etc/X11, and this xorg.conf will override the automatic settings. Is this correct? Only answering the override bit: yes, the presence of xorg.conf in the right place will override the auto settings. See man 5 xorg.conf for full details.

n "not an X expert" e... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Now accepting personal mail for GMail invites. Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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If I understand correctly sax2 was removed from 11.2.

Your understanding *is* *incorrect*! /usr/lib/sax2

On my 11.2 *clean* install there is no sax2 in YaST which may lead people to believe that sax2 is not installed - it is there though: # which sax2 /usr/sbin/sax2 just not where we're used to seeing it. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 19/11/09 19:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 19/11/09 17:51, Daniel Feiglin wrote:

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Pardon my abysmal ignorance, but what is supposed to replace xorg.conf and all the wonderful X stuff behind it? Is there a RTFM on this?

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Excellent question. The only thing I know is that it is now - in 11.2 - all done with "smoke and mirrors" and that it is all done "magically" at the time of booting the system.

It is done "on the fly", at run time.

...

Where the information is located to do all this is not known to me.

But then, Herr Wernher von Baun, is posting that creating an xorg.conf, using sax2, and whatever you put into it, will be used to get your video screen working correctly. Or so I read what Herr von Braun has stated.

Yes, that is correct.

"Simply" create an xorg.conf file, and put there whatever you need to override the automatic detection. The file doesn't need to contain the entire configuration, just the changed "lines" or sections.

I don't know if it is documented how exactly to do it, but it has been known for months, in the factory list at least.

But of course - EVERYONE, including those who have never installed openSUSE but are about to, reads the factory list and therefore knows all about the 'smoke and mirrors' regarding xorg.conf in 11.2 :-) . BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 20/11/09 00:26, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 19/11/09 19:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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"Simply" create an xorg.conf file, and put there whatever you need to override the automatic detection. The file doesn't need to contain the entire configuration, just the changed "lines" or sections.

I don't know if it is documented how exactly to do it, but it has been known for months, in the factory list at least.

But of course - EVERYONE, including those who have never installed openSUSE but are about to, reads the factory list and therefore knows all about the 'smoke and mirrors' regarding xorg.conf in 11.2 :-) .

- - No need. You know very well that things work right first time, no need to configure displays any more. It's all automatic now. Easier for first time users.

- - Er... excuse me... I think mine doesn't work right...

- - Crumbs.

:-P

I see that you also can see the funny side of all of this :-D . Good to see. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 19 November 09, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [11-19-09 07:02]: ]trimmed[

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But of course - EVERYONE, including those who have never installed openSUSE but are about to, reads the factory list and therefore knows all about the 'smoke and mirrors' regarding xorg.conf in 11.2 :-) .

Errr. How would thay know about xorg.conf?

The same way you and 'ne' think just anyone out of the blue can slap together an xorg.conf file as easily as reading a bedtime story to a 4 year old. -- "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical group of hand-wringing, bleeding-heart liberals, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 19 Nov 2009 07:01:24 Basil Chupin wrote:

On 19/11/09 17:51, Daniel Feiglin wrote:

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Pardon my abysmal ignorance, but what is supposed to replace xorg.conf and all the wonderful X stuff behind it? Is there a RTFM on this?

Daniel

Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 19/11/09 17:24, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2009/11/19 16:27 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

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So the obvious question is then, how does provide the ability to "override....defaults"?

Vi? Emacs? Nano? Mcedit? KWrite? Use whichever you like to create or modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

Not the question....

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Is it running sax2 as I stated to David and amending it to suit what you want?

Sax2 was not yet removed before 11.2 was released.

You obviously do not run 11.2.

There is no xorg.conf in 11.2

The OP was questioning the 11.2 installation.

BC

Excellent question. The only thing I know is that it is now - in 11.2 - all done with "smoke and mirrors" and that it is all done "magically" at the time of booting the system.

Where the information is located to do all this is not known to me.

But then, Herr Wernher von Baun, is posting that creating an xorg.conf, using sax2, and whatever you put into it, will be used to get your video screen working correctly. Or so I read what Herr von Braun has stated.

BC Which is why the ATI drivers are such a screw up and why the thing wont boot straight into the desktop ..

Dunno bout smoke and mirrors more like a takeover by the stop them configuring their systems brigade what ever happened to if it aint bosted dont bugger it up Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 2 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.30-rc6-git3-4- default KDE: 4.2.86 (KDE 4.2.86 (KDE 4.3 >= 20090514)) "release 1" 12:59 up 11 days 22:25, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.01

On Thursday 19 Nov 2009 13:26:37 Basil Chupin wrote:

On 20/11/09 00:01, Peter Nikolic wrote:

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Which is why the ATI drivers are such a screw up and why the thing wont boot straight into the desktop ..

Dunno bout smoke and mirrors more like a takeover by the stop them configuring their systems brigade what ever happened to if it aint bosted dont bugger it up

But, Pete, this is now the 21st Century and you now always "employ teenagers while they still know everything"

Back in the 20th Century, if you were 50+ years old you were kapootsky: "too old, too old, .....can't cut the mustard anymore".

Now the age has dropped down to 40 years.

BC

Yes know it only too well and if gawd help you you are disabled well it;s curtains at any age (speaking from personal experience) just cause the kids got bits of paper behind them people think they are the tops , I have noticed of late that some places are begining to change thou and look for the older more experienced people so you never know .. Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 2 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.30-rc6-git3-4- default KDE: 4.2.86 (KDE 4.2.86 (KDE 4.3 >= 20090514)) "release 1" 14:24 up 11 days 23:50, 3 users, load average: 0.44, 0.45, 0.44

On 20/11/09 03:44, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2009/11/19 17:41 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

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On 19/11/09 17:24, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2009/11/19 16:27 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

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So the obvious question is then, how does provide the ability to "override....defaults"?

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Vi? Emacs? Nano? Mcedit? KWrite? Use whichever you like to create or modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

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Not the question....

Then the question was not clear.

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Is it running sax2 as I stated to David and amending it to suit what you want?

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Sax2 was not yet removed before 11.2 was released.

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You obviously do not run 11.2.

Your obvious detector is obviously broken.

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There is no xorg.conf in 11.2

Yes, there is no xorg.conf in 11.2 after a CLEAN install of 11.2. [An abbreviated version of the old] xorg.conf is created when you create it yourself by running sax2 or allowing the nvidia compiled driver to use sax2 to alter the settings for the driver.

I just booted one of my 7 11.2 systems, renamed xorg.conf so that X would find no xorg.conf, ran startx, and found X running at 800x600, instead of the 2048x1536 that it normally uses when a proper xorg.conf does exist.

IOW, in 11.2, xorg.conf is optional, but in certain cases, desirable, if not necessary.

xorg.conf when deliberately or specially generated will OVERRIDE whatever settings are auto generated by (?)HAL at boot-time of oS 11.2. The xorg.conf you now have has obviously been created by <something> to give you the screen size of 2048x1536 and which overrides this setting which is auto generated at boot-time. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org