Odd... this looks ok, but you say the machine crashes when you run a 3D app? Does this include "gears"?
Just tried gears: freezes with no graphics only the frame of the program. Had to unplug box. I had no problem with nvidia or geforce 4 on the same AMD Athlon box earlier. I have 2 files an ATI-4.2.0-13 and a drm-kernel-1 that i got from http://gatos.sourceforge.net . I will try these now as they say solves ATI Radeon problems. The DRM is for DRI (Direct Rendering Infrastructure)? I only thought that the Radeon 7000 was a tested linux hardware approved. I suppose only without 3d support. Wish me luck.
Hmmm... I have a 7500... it works fine on my box (Asus A7V and XP1700). I'm just using the standard XF86 with GLX. - h On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Thom Nuzum wrote: -> ->> Odd... this looks ok, but you say the machine crashes when you run a 3D ->> app? Does this include "gears"? -> ->Just tried gears: freezes with no graphics only the frame of the program. Had ->to unplug box. I had no problem with nvidia or geforce 4 on the same AMD ->Athlon box earlier. ->I have 2 files an ATI-4.2.0-13 and a drm-kernel-1 that i got from ->http://gatos.sourceforge.net . I will try these now as they say solves ATI ->Radeon problems. The DRM is for DRI (Direct Rendering Infrastructure)? ->I only thought that the Radeon 7000 was a tested linux hardware approved. I ->suppose only without 3d support. ->Wish me luck. -> ->
On Monday 12 August 2002 12:16, Herman L. Knief wrote:
Hmmm... I have a 7500... it works fine on my box (Asus A7V and XP1700). I'm just using the standard XF86 with GLX.
im using xf86 Radeon and my x server is listed as XFree86 4: radeon ,in Yast How can I check on GLX? Thanks
From your 3Ddiag, it seems to be installed. You can check the version by looking at "rpm -qa|grep -i glx"
- H On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Thom Nuzum wrote: ->On Monday 12 August 2002 12:16, Herman L. Knief wrote: ->> Hmmm... I have a 7500... it works fine on my box (Asus A7V and XP1700). ->> I'm just using the standard XF86 with GLX. -> ->im using xf86 Radeon and my x server is listed as XFree86 4: radeon ,in Yast ->How can I check on GLX? ->Thanks -> ->-- ->Check the headers for your unsubscription address ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com -> ->
I lowered my monitor frequency to 70hz. It seems to have auto-detected at a too high range(viewsonic A70-f) and gears works fine now. Tux racer is very slow but its not crashing so i might be on my way.
What are your other settings? 16 bit color? 1280x1024? What does gears report for speed? - Herman On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Thom Nuzum wrote: ->I lowered my monitor frequency to 70hz. It seems to have auto-detected at a ->too high range(viewsonic A70-f) and gears works fine now. Tux racer is very ->slow but its not crashing so i might be on my way. ->
On Monday 12 August 2002 13:10, Herman L. Knief wrote:
What are your other settings? 16 bit color? 1280x1024? What does gears report for speed?
16bit color, 1024X768 refresh rate is now 78Hz. hmm i though i had it at 70hz. 3d enabled 963 frames in 5.000 seconds = 192.600 FPS 1050 frames in 5.001 seconds = 209.958 FPS 1057 frames in 5.002 seconds = 211.315 FPS 438 frames in 5.001 seconds = 87.582 FPS 1054 frames in 5.000 seconds = 210.800 FPS 1056 frames in 5.003 seconds = 211.073 FPS 1055 frames in 5.001 seconds = 210.958 FPS 1055 frames in 5.002 seconds = 210.916 FPS 826 frames in 5.042 seconds = 163.824 FPS 709 frames in 5.001 seconds = 141.772 FPS 1729 frames in 5.001 seconds = 345.731 FPS 1699 frames in 5.000 seconds = 339.800 FPS 1358 frames in 31.430 seconds = 43.207 FPS 1627 frames in 5.000 seconds = 325.400 FPS
Is this gears at full screen or a window? If a window, then the hardware acceleration is not working. If full screen, then you are prolly ok. - Herman On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Thom Nuzum wrote: ->On Monday 12 August 2002 13:10, Herman L. Knief wrote: ->> What are your other settings? 16 bit color? 1280x1024? What does gears ->> report for speed? -> ->16bit color, 1024X768 refresh rate is now 78Hz. hmm i though i had it at 70hz. ->3d enabled -> ->963 frames in 5.000 seconds = 192.600 FPS ->1050 frames in 5.001 seconds = 209.958 FPS ->1057 frames in 5.002 seconds = 211.315 FPS ->438 frames in 5.001 seconds = 87.582 FPS ->1054 frames in 5.000 seconds = 210.800 FPS ->1056 frames in 5.003 seconds = 211.073 FPS ->1055 frames in 5.001 seconds = 210.958 FPS ->1055 frames in 5.002 seconds = 210.916 FPS ->826 frames in 5.042 seconds = 163.824 FPS ->709 frames in 5.001 seconds = 141.772 FPS ->1729 frames in 5.001 seconds = 345.731 FPS ->1699 frames in 5.000 seconds = 339.800 FPS ->1358 frames in 31.430 seconds = 43.207 FPS ->1627 frames in 5.000 seconds = 325.400 FPS -> -> -> -> ->
On Monday 12 August 2002 13:20, Herman L. Knief wrote:
Is this gears at full screen or a window? If a window, then the hardware acceleration is not working. If full screen, then you are prolly ok. its a window . full screen my gears move very slow
OK - so, you got 3D, but the H/W acceleration is noth functioning... what does "rpm -qa|grep -i xf86" report? What does the Module and Device section of your XF86config look like now? Please re-run 3Ddiag again as well. - Herman On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Thom Nuzum wrote: ->On Monday 12 August 2002 13:20, Herman L. Knief wrote: ->> Is this gears at full screen or a window? If a window, then the hardware ->> acceleration is not working. If full screen, then you are prolly ok. ->its a window . full screen my gears move very slow -> ->-- ->Check the headers for your unsubscription address ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com -> ->
Below are the 2 outputs: Incidentally a SAX configuration causes a crash where YAst2 does not. Thanks Again thom@linux:~> rpm -qa|grep -i xf86 xf86_glx-4.2.0-107 xf86-4.2.0-64 xf86_3x-3.3.6-375 xf86tools-0.1-221 thom@linux:~> 3Ddiag 3Ddiag version 0.397 Verifying 3D configuration: Using 3dinfo ************************************************************ Verifying 3D configuration based on XFree86 4 for 3D board "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon VE (1002@5159)": Tests for package "xf86_glx": package ... done. package files ... done. Tests for correct OpenGL libraries/GLX extensions: Symbolic Links ... done. /etc/sysconfig/3ddiag (SCRIPT_3D=switch2xf86_glx) ... done. Test for correct XFree86 version ... done. Tests for XFree86 configuration: Config File /etc/X11/XF86Config ... done. Driver ... done. Color Depth ... done. Extensions ... done. Options ... done. ----------------------- NOTE ----------------------------------- If 3D hardware OpenGL configuration is not stable enough, you should switch back to 'Mesa Software Rendering'. You can verify this configuration with the command "3Ddiag --mesasoft". ----------------------- NOTE ----------------------------------- Checking GLU/glut runtime configuration: GLU ... done (package mesaglu) glut ... done (package mesaglut) thom@linux:~>
On Tuesday 13 August 2002 20.12, Thom Nuzum wrote:
Below are the 2 outputs: Incidentally a SAX configuration causes a crash where YAst2 does not. Thanks Again
What does "glxinfo" show? //Anders -- `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
What does "glxinfo" show?
thom@linux:~> glxinfo name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No server glx vendor string: SGI server glx version string: 1.2 server glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context client glx vendor string: SGI client glx version string: 1.2 client glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context OpenGL vendor string: VA Linux Systems, Inc. OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 3.4.2 OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract glu version: 1.3 glu extensions: GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 0x23 16 tc 0 16 0 r y . 5 6 5 0 0 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x24 16 tc 0 16 0 r y . 5 6 5 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 0 0 0 None 0x25 16 dc 0 16 0 r y . 5 6 5 0 0 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x26 16 dc 0 16 0 r y . 5 6 5 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 0 0 0 None thom@linux:~>
Well, one thing is not right... the version of xf86-4.2.0 should be 107, not 64. I wonder if there is a slightly compatibility issue. As for Kevin's email, I was commenting about the frame rates. The hardware acceleration should work (windowed or full screen.) Judging by the frame rates that were reported, one could assume that 300 frames per second in a small window is not accelerated. I get 1400 fps in a window and roughly 240 at full screen. - Herman On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Thom Nuzum wrote: -> ->Below are the 2 outputs: Incidentally a SAX configuration causes a crash where ->YAst2 does not. Thanks Again -> ->thom@linux:~> rpm -qa|grep -i xf86 ->xf86_glx-4.2.0-107 ->xf86-4.2.0-64 ->xf86_3x-3.3.6-375 ->xf86tools-0.1-221 -> ->thom@linux:~> 3Ddiag ->3Ddiag version 0.397 ->Verifying 3D configuration: ->Using 3dinfo ->************************************************************ -> ->Verifying 3D configuration based on XFree86 4 for 3D board ->"ATI Technologies Inc Radeon VE (1002@5159)": -> ->Tests for package "xf86_glx": -> package ... done. -> package files ... done. -> ->Tests for correct OpenGL libraries/GLX extensions: -> Symbolic Links ... done. -> /etc/sysconfig/3ddiag (SCRIPT_3D=switch2xf86_glx) ... done. -> ->Test for correct XFree86 version ... done. -> ->Tests for XFree86 configuration: -> Config File /etc/X11/XF86Config ... done. -> Driver ... done. -> Color Depth ... done. -> Extensions ... done. -> Options ... done. -> ->----------------------- NOTE ----------------------------------- ->If 3D hardware OpenGL configuration is not stable enough, you ->should switch back to 'Mesa Software Rendering'. You can ->verify this configuration with the command "3Ddiag --mesasoft". ->----------------------- NOTE ----------------------------------- -> ->Checking GLU/glut runtime configuration: -> GLU ... done (package mesaglu) -> glut ... done (package mesaglut) -> ->thom@linux:~> -> -> -> ->
On Monday 12 August 2002 14:11, Herman L. Knief wrote:
Well, one thing is not right... the version of xf86-4.2.0 should be 107, not 64. I wonder if there is a slightly compatibility issue. i updated and now have version 107 listed. Yast 2 lists my card refresh rate at 86hz when i know i set it for 75hz apon changing it in the next window it lists it at 56khz. I changed it back and now gears will not start at all. oh well.
the 56kHz is horzintal, not refresh... If your monitor is correctly identified, then it should use a mode line that is appropriate. as root, do a "init 3" and run sax2 from the console. When finished, run "init 5" and try all of the various things again. Try gears... if it won't work, then do a 3Ddiag and print out the glxinfo again. - Herman On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Thom Nuzum wrote: ->On Monday 12 August 2002 14:11, Herman L. Knief wrote: ->> Well, one thing is not right... the version of xf86-4.2.0 should be 107, ->> not 64. I wonder if there is a slightly compatibility issue. ->i updated and now have version 107 listed. ->Yast 2 lists my card refresh rate at 86hz when i know i set it for 75hz apon ->changing it in the next window it lists it at 56khz. I changed it back and ->now gears will not start at all. ->oh well. ->
i did a complete minimal reinstall with my stuff backed through wine. Anyway my gears are turning full-screen 532 frames in 5.007 seconds = 106.251 FPS 549 frames in 5.003 seconds = 109.734 FPS 549 frames in 5.025 seconds = 109.254 FPS 550 frames in 5.002 seconds = 109.956 FPS 550 frames in 5.007 seconds = 109.846 FPS 551 frames in 5.001 seconds = 110.178 FPS 955 frames in 5.002 seconds = 190.924 FPS 1435 frames in 5.005 seconds = 286.713 FPS 1437 frames in 5.000 seconds = 287.400 FPS 1442 frames in 5.002 seconds = 288.285 FPS 1436 frames in 5.002 seconds = 287.085 FPS 1438 frames in 5.001 seconds = 287.542 FPS Do these seem right?? all i can fathom is that i screwed up on my install with some dependencies somewhere and on yast update did a half-assed job.
Looks pretty good... - Herman On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, thom nuzum wrote: ->i did a complete minimal reinstall with my stuff backed through wine. -> ->Anyway my gears are turning full-screen ->532 frames in 5.007 seconds = 106.251 FPS ->549 frames in 5.003 seconds = 109.734 FPS ->549 frames in 5.025 seconds = 109.254 FPS ->550 frames in 5.002 seconds = 109.956 FPS ->550 frames in 5.007 seconds = 109.846 FPS ->551 frames in 5.001 seconds = 110.178 FPS ->955 frames in 5.002 seconds = 190.924 FPS ->1435 frames in 5.005 seconds = 286.713 FPS ->1437 frames in 5.000 seconds = 287.400 FPS ->1442 frames in 5.002 seconds = 288.285 FPS ->1436 frames in 5.002 seconds = 287.085 FPS ->1438 frames in 5.001 seconds = 287.542 FPS -> ->Do these seem right?? -> ->all i can fathom is that i screwed up on my install with some dependencies ->somewhere and on yast update did a half-assed job. -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> ->-- ->Check the headers for your unsubscription address ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com -> ->
For comparison Nvidia GeForce4 MX420 64mb Full Screen Brian Marr magpie@Gringo:~> glxgears 5534 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1106.800 FPS 898 frames in 5.0 seconds = 179.600 FPS 672 frames in 5.0 seconds = 134.400 FPS 687 frames in 5.0 seconds = 137.400 FPS 686 frames in 5.0 seconds = 137.200 FPS 680 frames in 5.0 seconds = 136.000 FPS 686 frames in 5.0 seconds = 137.200 FPS 684 frames in 5.0 seconds = 136.800 FPS 687 frames in 5.0 seconds = 137.400 FPS 654 frames in 5.0 seconds = 130.800 FPS On Tuesday 13 August 2002 09:58, Herman L. Knief wrote:
Looks pretty good...
- Herman
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, thom nuzum wrote:
->i did a complete minimal reinstall with my stuff backed through wine. -> ->Anyway my gears are turning full-screen ->532 frames in 5.007 seconds = 106.251 FPS ->549 frames in 5.003 seconds = 109.734 FPS ->549 frames in 5.025 seconds = 109.254 FPS ->550 frames in 5.002 seconds = 109.956 FPS ->550 frames in 5.007 seconds = 109.846 FPS ->551 frames in 5.001 seconds = 110.178 FPS ->955 frames in 5.002 seconds = 190.924 FPS ->1435 frames in 5.005 seconds = 286.713 FPS ->1437 frames in 5.000 seconds = 287.400 FPS ->1442 frames in 5.002 seconds = 288.285 FPS ->1436 frames in 5.002 seconds = 287.085 FPS ->1438 frames in 5.001 seconds = 287.542 FPS -> ->Do these seem right?? -> ->all i can fathom is that i screwed up on my install with some dependencies ->somewhere and on yast update did a half-assed job. -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> ->-- ->Check the headers for your unsubscription address ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com -> ->
i checked some suse google lists and it seems like my card is full of problems on suse. it is not listed as supported on any versions, though other radeon cards are. in conclusion i have 3d support so long as i dont touch sax sax2 or yast which is not an option. if i do use these my system will crash and with safe mode i get V synch out of range error and must reinstall X packs. luckily i still have 2 weeks to return the card which gives me time to tweek around. thanks (incidentally it is supported in redhat 7.3, which i have tried and don't like. gnome is dreadful and they refuse to offer kde updates so your forced to use gnome.) i may try gefore 4 or some newer supported radeon card on this list.
Actually, it is fully supoprted... The Radeon 7000 (also known as the Radeon VE) is in the SuSE hardware database. http://hardwaredb.suse.de/connectuserServer.php?PHPSESSID=92bacfc175c6869587725b7723ed33f9&manufactor=ati&device=radeon&LANG=en_UK&offset=0&typ=easySearch&basesub=5 And believe me... before you go and get you NVidia card, I have had fewer issues with cards from ATI, than the Geforce models. What elese is in your system that could be causing you problems? Does your system have an integrated video set as well? - Herman Thom Nuzum wrote:
i checked some suse google lists and it seems like my card is full of problems on suse. it is not listed as supported on any versions, though other radeon cards are. in conclusion i have 3d support so long as i dont touch sax sax2 or yast which is not an option. if i do use these my system will crash and with safe mode i get V synch out of range error and must reinstall X packs.
luckily i still have 2 weeks to return the card which gives me time to tweek around.
thanks (incidentally it is supported in redhat 7.3, which i have tried and don't like. gnome is dreadful and they refuse to offer kde updates so your forced to use gnome.) i may try gefore 4 or some newer supported radeon card on this list.
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Hi, I have just starting playing with my KOnCD application and have found it locks up when I try to go into setup. I am running a SCSI Plextor PlexWriter 24/10/40A -Sean
On Tuesday 13 August 2002 13:42, Sean M Lentner wrote:
Hi,
I have just starting playing with my KOnCD application and have found it locks up when I try to go into setup.
I am running a SCSI Plextor PlexWriter 24/10/40A
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Have the same drive and setup runs ok. On Tuesday 13 August 2002 13:42, you wrote:
Hi,
I have just starting playing with my KOnCD application and have found it locks up when I try to go into setup.
I am running a SCSI Plextor PlexWriter 24/10/40A
-Sean
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I have tried using the LAN browser but it comes up with an error: "Cannot connect to localhost" Any ideas what I need to change to get this working? -Sean
Hi, There are a few things that need to be done first: 1). In KDE Control Center, select 'Lan Browsing' under the 'Network' option. Click the 'Guided LISa Setup...' button and follow the instructions. This will configure the LISa Daemon for you local network settings. At the end you will be prompted for your root password if you are not already root. 2). In YAST2 Control Center, select 'Run Level Editor' under the 'System' option. Select the 'Runlevel Properties' button and ensure that the lisa service is running and that it starts up at the required runlevels (mine is set to start up on runlevels 2, 3, 5, although I only really have to use it on runlevel 5). Now when you Konqueror, you should be able to browse the network like normal. To set you default Username, Password, and Domain select the 'Windows Shares' option under the 'Network' section n KDE Control Center, and fill in the required fields. Hope this helps. Q On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 16:55, Sean M Lentner wrote:
I have tried using the LAN browser but it comes up with an error:
"Cannot connect to localhost"
Any ideas what I need to change to get this working?
-Sean
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* Thom Nuzum (linux@tekevolve.com) [020812 20:23]: ::i checked some suse google lists and it seems like my card is full of problems ::on suse. it is not listed as supported on any versions, though other radeon ::cards are. ::in conclusion i have 3d support so long as i dont touch sax sax2 or yast which ::is not an option. if i do use these my system will crash and with safe mode i ::get V synch out of range error and must reinstall X packs. :: ::luckily i still have 2 weeks to return the card which gives me time to tweek ::around. :: ::thanks (incidentally it is supported in redhat 7.3, which i have tried and ::don't like. gnome is dreadful and they refuse to offer kde updates so your ::forced to use gnome.) ::i may try gefore 4 or some newer supported radeon card on this list. My suggestion is to return the card and get a 7500. It's pennies more and I love the one I bought. It was 10X easier to setup then any nVidia card I've encountered. -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- Tell me what you believe..I tell you what you should see. -DP --=====-----=====--
i started yast 2 and changed my screen size a little and now my 3d is gone and glx direct rendering is "no" also.
Shutdown to run level 3 (init 3) and run sax2 over again... I've not had much luck with letting YaST2 do this for me... I know, supposedly it makes the same calls... but somehow it's not quite the same. - Herman On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, thom nuzum wrote: ->i started yast 2 and changed my screen size a little and now my 3d is gone ->and glx direct rendering is "no" also. -> -> ->-- ->Check the headers for your unsubscription address ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com -> ->
* Thom Nuzum (linux@tekevolve.com) [020812 09:19]: :: ::> Odd... this looks ok, but you say the machine crashes when you run a 3D ::> app? Does this include "gears"? :: ::Just tried gears: freezes with no graphics only the frame of the program. Had ::to unplug box. I had no problem with nvidia or geforce 4 on the same AMD ::Athlon box earlier. ::I have 2 files an ATI-4.2.0-13 and a drm-kernel-1 that i got from ::http://gatos.sourceforge.net . I will try these now as they say solves ATI ::Radeon problems. The DRM is for DRI (Direct Rendering Infrastructure)? ::I only thought that the Radeon 7000 was a tested linux hardware approved. I ::suppose only without 3d support. ::Wish me luck. Well, I downloaded all the pkgs from the supplementry directory on the ftp server in the X directory for 7.3 which I'm still running on the box with the new Radeon 7500 I bought a week ago. All I did was fire up sax2 and it detected the card and setup GLX and DRI. Works fine with UT and Quake3. You are most likely missing some of the pkgs. -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- Tell me what you believe..I tell you what you should see. -DP --=====-----=====--
Well, I downloaded all the pkgs from the supplementry directory on the ftp server in the X directory for 7.3 which I'm still running on the box with the new Radeon 7500 I bought a week ago. All I did was fire up sax2 and it detected the card and setup GLX and DRI. Works fine with UT and
yep im missing some X-files too. thanks
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