* Verner Kj?rsgaard [Aug 27. 2008 16:14]:

Manne Merak skrev:

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Anyone have any joy trying to watch the Democratic Convention Videos? It requires Silverlight. I installed Mono plugin and UserAgent, but no luck yet. Just as Flash seems to start to work for me... Manne

You're right about the democratic event website. I was chocked when I realized the sheer stupidity..and this comes from a supposedly young, techo aware candidate... Shame on you, Barrack. Or shame on your stupid webmasters.

The convention is put on by the DNC which by looking at the crowd .. are NOT young and not quite that savvy. ;D -- XO Communications IP Tier 2 OPS St Louis, MO. -- "Gratitude is merely the secret hope of further favors." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 17:14 -0400, MikeDL wrote:

It didn't work for the Olympics, either. The Linux "support" (mono, silverlight) have given companies an excuse to use the monopolist crap since it's "cross-platform".

Of course, the mono people refuse to see the Microsoft strategy...

mike.

I think we need a jingle: "Stop the FUD!" These companies (or in this case, political parties) don't give a crap about 'cross-platform' or any of this. To them, Windows is over 90% of everyone, Silverlight is available on Macs as well I believe so then those folks are served, and to these companies/organizations, over 95% of the people being able to see their video is fine. Why do they use Silverlight then? One of two reasons: either the web designer either needed some of the tech only available in Silverlight (I'm not sure what that would be, but it's possible), was could have been the case with the NBC broadcast of the Olympics, but not with the DNC,which should just be streaming video. The other reason is because I'm sure Microsoft was paying off NBC Universal for the Olympics, and despite their stance against corporate donors, I have little doubt there's some "campaign contributions" going on from Microsoft to the Democratic Party. The Mono people see the Microsoft strategy, and they're working to make sure that if Silverlight does become an important part of the Internet, that we'll have a working, open source implementation of it so when the next Olympics or DNC or whatever comes around, a new user to openSUSE (or Linux in general) can watch it and not be put off to going back to Windows or Mac. That being said, I don't know what the status of Moonlight's compatibility with Silverlight is, so if anyone out there from the Moonlight team would like to chime in on that, I'm sure it would be highly appreciated. -- Kevin "Yo" Dupuy - openSUSE Member Public Mail: Meet Bob Barr - Libertarian for President - http://www.BobBarr2008.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 27 August 2008 16:23, Ken Schneider wrote:

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You are aware that MS owns NBC aren't you? So no wonder it has MS components in the web site.

Microsoft is a part owner of _MSNBC_ along with NBC Universal. NBC Universal is a subsidiary of General Electric and Vivendi.

-- Ken Schneider

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Kevin Dupuy pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 17:14 -0400, MikeDL wrote:

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It didn't work for the Olympics, either. The Linux "support" (mono, silverlight) have given companies an excuse to use the monopolist crap since it's "cross-platform".

Of course, the mono people refuse to see the Microsoft strategy...

mike.

I think we need a jingle: "Stop the FUD!"

These companies (or in this case, political parties) don't give a crap about 'cross-platform' or any of this. To them, Windows is over 90% of everyone, Silverlight is available on Macs as well I believe so then those folks are served, and to these companies/organizations, over 95% of the people being able to see their video is fine.

Why do they use Silverlight then? One of two reasons: either the web designer either needed some of the tech only available in Silverlight (I'm not sure what that would be, but it's possible), was could have been the case with the NBC broadcast of the Olympics, but not with the DNC,which should just be streaming video. The other reason is because I'm sure Microsoft was paying off NBC Universal for the Olympics, and despite their stance against corporate donors, I have little doubt there's some "campaign contributions" going on from Microsoft to the Democratic Party.

You are aware that MS owns NBC aren't you? So no wonder it has MS components in the web site.

ill let you know what she says, IF anything at all. http://www.reillyblog.com/archives/94-www.demconvention.com-Error-Messages.h... - -- Steve Reilly -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIte3MUpqfZIdKFyERAtgRAJ4tJZKijM7pKi9JhXZn5MdEx3Y/gACgnl3j 78/eDIU1XAd5rpQCJwCwPi0= =577j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kevin Dupuy wrote:

On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 17:14 -0400, MikeDL wrote:

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It didn't work for the Olympics, either. The Linux "support" (mono, silverlight) have given companies an excuse to use the monopolist crap since it's "cross-platform".

Of course, the mono people refuse to see the Microsoft strategy...

mike.

I think we need a jingle: "Stop the FUD!"

I agree fully.

The Mono people see the Microsoft strategy, and they're working to make sure that if Silverlight does become an important part of the Internet, that we'll have a working, open source implementation of it so when the next Olympics or DNC or whatever comes around, a new user to openSUSE (or Linux in general) can watch it and not be put off to going back to Windows or Mac. That being said, I don't know what the status of Moonlight's compatibility with Silverlight is, so if anyone out there from the Moonlight team would like to chime in on that, I'm sure it would be highly appreciated.

I fully support getting new tech working on Linux so that we can still be relevant on the web (don't ignore the gorilla in the room). Just look at Flash, everyone jumped up and down when it didn't work on Linux and it was closed etc, now it works and almost all the open source/Linux sites present their videos with it (or just using YouTube). My only concern is that when Moonlight 1.0 is stable MS would have moved to Sliverlight 2.0 (with some new closed payfor codecs etc); and when ML catches up they will have moved on to SL 3.0 and so on. The MS SL team is much larger than the Mono team. What about a YouTube type service that relays Silverlight content in some useful format? Sorry, this is getting OT. Manne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kevin Dupuy wrote:

On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 17:14 -0400, MikeDL wrote:

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It didn't work for the Olympics, either. The Linux "support" (mono, silverlight) have given companies an excuse to use the monopolist crap since it's "cross-platform".

Of course, the mono people refuse to see the Microsoft strategy...

mike.

I think we need a jingle: "Stop the FUD!"

The Mono people see the Microsoft strategy, and they're working to make sure that if Silverlight does become an important part of the Internet, that we'll have a working, open source implementation of it so when the next Olympics or DNC or whatever comes around, a new user to openSUSE (or Linux in general) can watch it and not be put off to going back to Windows or Mac. That being said, I don't know what the status of Moonlight's compatibility with Silverlight is, so if anyone out there from the Moonlight team would like to chime in on that, I'm sure it would be highly appreciated.

Sorry for the double reply, but I found this in the Moonlight forum: -------------------------------- ""> I went to http://gallery.demconvention.com/ to watch some of the videos

/ and found they are using Silverlight. />/ />/ I know roughly what Silverlight/Moonlight is but have not followed it's />/ development closely. />/ />/ Can I please get some feedback from people who are already using />/ Moonlight if it is mature enough to play the videos I want to see before />/ I go to the trouble of compiling it all. / It is currently using Silverlight 2.0, which we are currently working on and is at this point not ready for use.

But additionally, they seem to use another plugin to download files"" which is not Silverlight and that we have no idea how it work. ---------------------------------- Thats one other way of getting the non-Win-OSx people out - use crossplatform Sliverlight, but confuse the issue with non-crossplatform plugins. Manne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org