On Wednesday 30 September 2009 08:53:25 pm Bruce Ferrell wrote:

alt+f2... Most typically xterm

now this is a little different from konsole, which i usually use. clayton already told you how to set the default location in konsole:

Open a Terminal window... click Settings > Edit current profile and under the General tab, you can set it to open in whatever directory you want.

i couldn't find a configuration file for xterm (!), and a quick google showed this solution: open xterm with the command xterm -e 'cd <your-home-directory> && /bin/bash' i tried this from krunner, and for some reason it brought up sax2 (!); running the above command from a konsole, though, opened xterm in the desired directory. if you don't find a more convenient way, i suggest to create an alias in ~/.bashrc with the command mentioned. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 30 September 2009 09:45:50 pm Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Your problem is "Personal Settings" in the menu, go to "Personal" and "About Me" then "Paths" and change "Documents path:" to /home/<your logon> and xterm will open in <home>.

if i was using xterm, i wouldn't want to do that. all applications that use the document path would be dropping things into my home dir. then... -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 30 September 2009 11:23:43 am Bruce Ferrell wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Bruce Ferrell [09-30-09 11:28]:

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phanisvara das wrote:

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On Wednesday 30 September 2009 08:35:45 pm Bruce Ferrell wrote:

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I know this is a silly question, but I don't see any settings for this

how do you open your terminals? krunner (alt + F2), menu shortcut, F4 from konqueror?

alt+f2... Most typically xterm

Your problem is "Personal Settings" in the menu, go to "Personal" and "About Me" then "Paths" and change "Documents path:" to /home/<your logon> and xterm will open in <home>.

I don't have the bug number handy but it has been submitted and much comment, just hasn't been solved :^(

That solved it. Thank you!

Whoever put that in "about me" was a real putz. For that matter, whoever came up with calling a group of technical settings "about me" -- and -- whoever signed off on the idea --> should be shot. That's 1/2 the problem with kde4, users can't find the normal configuration parameters without having to expand every possible hiding place and hunt and pick through every sub-option to find what was easily found an logically placed in kde3. "about me", give me a break... Go try to find the old "Window Decoration -> Menu Drop Shadow" setting... Good Luck :-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 01 Oct 2009 19:13:45 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* David C. Rankin [10-01-09 13:14]:

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Whoever put that in "about me" was a real putz. For that matter, whoever came up with calling a group of technical settings "about me" -- and -- whoever signed off on the idea --> should be shot.

That's 1/2 the problem with kde4, users can't find the normal configuration parameters without having to expand every possible hiding place and hunt and pick through every sub-option to find what was easily found an logically placed in kde3. "about me", give me a break...

Go try to find the old "Window Decoration -> Menu Drop Shadow" setting... Good Luck :-)

I see we are being positive and helpful again!

And it has to be said CORRECT at that Pete .

phanisvara das wrote:

there are far more important things yet to be fixed, and since these quirks are known, that knowledge can be shared in mailing lists like this, and eventually, once in a while, brought to the developers' attention.

Major FAIL. Exhibits the mind set of a developer looking at the system as an interesting technical exercise. Just how many grandmothers do you expect to read this list? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 01 October 2009 11:43:45 pm Patrick Shanahan wrote:

I see we are being positive and helpful again!

dunno, i'm getting used to it from david. reading some of his posts, i see a grumpy old man of 65+ sitting on the veranda of his houes in texas, ranting on about how bad times have become, that when he was young kids used to be more respectful, etc., etc. you don't take him too seriously, but he's got a good idea or two when he's not too grumpy, and actually a good guy: helps others when he can and knows what he's talking about--and also that he doesn't know everything. just can't figure out why he put the photo of a younger guy on his website... -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 02 October 2009 01:06:56 am John Andersen wrote:

And your purpose here is what?

to make a distinction between people who only rant, not offering anything positive. david doesn't fit into that category, IMO.

David is a pretty astute user. If you can't handle him how do you ever expect this version of KDE to survive in the real world?

if and how i "can handle him" has nothing to do with the survival of KDE. i'm pretty new to linux, openSUSE, and KDE, haven't developed a piece of software (apart from some PHP scripts) in my whole life. i'm a new mailing list user, still gawking at what's going on here, and like many others voice my opinion. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 02 October 2009 01:38:50 am John Andersen wrote:

If your purpose for coming here was to start slinging insults at anyone who finds a bug you are not helping. You'd be happier using a Mac where that kind of behavior is the expected norm.

if you'd read some more of my posts you wouldn't be saying that. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 01 October 2009 02:36:56 pm John Andersen wrote:

David is a pretty astute user. If you can't handle him how do you ever expect this version of KDE to survive in the real world?

Yes, But I did misspeak, the setting that is now more difficult to find than ever is the old: Appearance Themes -> Style -> Effects -> Menu drop shadow And... I'm but a mere 43, not grumpy and have no veranda (It's called a porch in Texas), but I do lament the days gone by when the complete focus of the KDE team was on (1) logical ease of use, accomplished in (2) the least number of mouse clicks or keystokes possible. And, yes, I do feel that focus has been completely lost on the current generation of kde developers. But no, I don't dream of days gone by, I am a fully committed kde4 supporter and user. (138 bug reports worth IIRC). I like the desktop, but I am opinionated, and I am of the firm opinion that the readiness of KDE4 was grossly misrepresented starting in June '08, and that is it just now reaching an honest '.04' first release state. I also hold a great many other opinions, as many good as bad, but it is just determined by the way an issue hits me as to the one you will get. If you haven't figured it out by now, I don't sugar-coat anything;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 01 October 2009 05:39:02 pm phanisvara das wrote:

i have no problem with that, but i also understand how developrs can get upset at the not-so-friendly tone you sometimes use. they are spending their time developing what we are using, and sometimes you really don't sound as if you appreciated that. i'm pretty sure that impression is wrong, but that isn't always clear from some of your posts.

Oh, they know I'm on their side and support them 100%, but sometimes the truth hurts. As I've written before on more than one occasion, had the role out of kde4 been approached been handled differently, I don't think we would have such sensitivity about the issue. Now you also have to ask yourself why anybody on the 'openSuSE' list might be so sensitive to 'tongue-in-cheek' comments made about kde developers anyway. Do we seem to have a proportionally greater percentage of devs on this list than other distros? If so why? Could that be related to the discussion in paragraph 1 as well? I do have to chuckle a bit on my veranda though. Maybe there is some cultural sensitivity attached to the word putz that I don't appreciate or maybe ( I seriously doubt it) somebody took the suggested fate for the original naming or approving seriously. (Although Texas is in a bit of hot water at this point for potentially have executed the first provenly innocent man.) If however putz is a bad word in some cultures, well -- I apologize for not having recognized that. No back on topic, Just where is that little "ppearance Themes -> Style -> Effects -> Menu drop shadow" setting? :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

<< non-technical rant; feel free to skip if you're busy... >> On Friday 02 October 2009 09:43:00 pm Peter Nikolic wrote:

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for a long time i've been using fluxbox with KDE applications (both 3 & 4), but after upgrading my machine recently the speed gain became immaterial and i stuck to KDE 4.3. still don't like the plastic finish, but it's not causing any major disturbance.

HUmmmmmm i seem to remember spotting a comment somewhere only today stating you had not been using Linux long so let get this right is it

1 , I am an old hack just getting a bit lippy at times ( like what i like to do every now and then just to keep things sharp)

2 , I am a newbie just getting to flex a few typed muscles now and then

3 , Neither of the above.

4 , ?

i'm not sure if and where i fit into your categories; let me put it in my own words, ok? i'm an old hack--"old," as in 52 years, and "hack," as in i'm hacking around with whatever computer system i'm using. that used to be windows mainly, until i switched to openSUSE linux about one year ago. (release 10.3--was that one year?) until one month ago my machine used to be single core athlon 1,700 with 1 GB of RAM, which i found inadequate to run KDE 4. that's why i used fluxbox with KDE applications, which put less strain on the hardware. now i'm using a dual core intel CPU at 2.93 MHz with 4 GB of RAM, allowing me to run KDE 4.3 full time. (the CPU would probably die of boredom if i kept to fluxbox...) i don't think i'm flexing any muscle; if i think that someone blasts the wrong guy for the wrong reasons, or demands something they're not entitled to demand, i respond in whatever tone seems appropriate at the time. i have to admit that i do make mistakes, which i try to apologize for when i find out. i joined these mailing lists on 20 september, keeping very quiet in the beginning, trying to figure out what's going on. i think i've got an idea now and don't feel compelled to keep my opinion to myself all the time. most here know more about openSUSE, KDE, and linux in general than i do and i don't question or challenge that fact. if a question comes up that i think i can help with i do so, and on questions of etiquette or behavior i think i'm as entitled to my opinion as anybody else. does that answer your question? if not, perhaps we should continue the discussion via private email or the OT list. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 30 September 2009 09:45:50 pm Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Your problem is "Personal Settings" in the menu, go to "Personal" and "About Me" then "Paths" and change "Documents path:" to /home/<your logon> and xterm will open in <home>.

the most convenient solution i can think of is to assign a shortcut key via personal settings -> input actions that calls xterm like this: xterm -e 'cd <home-directory> /bin/bash' you could assign alt+x or something, saving yourself quite a few keystrokes. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org