For any of you that saw my thread trying to troubleshoot the acpi powersaving on my laptop, it turns out ACPI lost the war (standby didn't work at all). Anyway, I've set my kernel options to acpi=off apm=on. I've set the +s bit on /usr/bin/apm (apm, apmd, apm_proxy and all that good stuff is installed now). The Suspend / Standby options ARE selected to be on in the KDE Control Panel power save options. My problem: kpowersave lists suspend/standby all greyed out. I CAN to an apm --standby from a cli, and it stands by flawlessly. What's not set right? TIA! Steve
On Thursday 05 August 2004 07:54 am, Steve Kratz wrote:
For any of you that saw my thread trying to troubleshoot the acpi powersaving on my laptop, it turns out ACPI lost the war (standby didn't work at all).
Anyway, I've set my kernel options to acpi=off apm=on.
So what have you lost in the process? Most modern laptops simply will not allow use of all periferals with acpi=off. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
-----Original Message----- From: John Andersen [mailto:jsa@pen.homeip.net] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:50 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] APM vs ACPI (No APM Suspend/Standy activated in kpowersave)
On Thursday 05 August 2004 07:54 am, Steve Kratz wrote:
For any of you that saw my thread trying to troubleshoot the acpi powersaving on my laptop, it turns out ACPI lost the war (standby didn't work at all).
Anyway, I've set my kernel options to acpi=off apm=on.
So what have you lost in the process?
Most modern laptops simply will not allow use of all periferals with acpi=off.
Well, I don't seem to have lost any functionality on my laptop (I don't know how "modern" it is - It's a Celeron 366 - old Thinkpad i1452... about 4 years old. No services show a failure on boot, system runs as fast as it did prior, AND I can "standby" the system fine now. (It will suspend, but the network card doesn't handle that process well - it refuses to wake back up. ifdown/ifup doesn't even revive it.) If you have any suggestions for other things to do that may work better, feel free to send them my way - I'd still consider myself in the Linux "newbie" stage, but I'm learning! (I tried compiling my first kernel the other night, totally broke my system, but managed to fix it without having to re-install SuSE from scratch :) Steve
Well, I don't seem to have lost any functionality on my laptop (I don't know how "modern" it is - It's a Celeron 366 - old Thinkpad i1452... about 4 years old. No services show a failure on boot, system runs as fast as it did prior, AND I can "standby" the system fine now. (It will suspend, but the network card doesn't handle that process well - it refuses to wake back up. ifdown/ifup doesn't even revive it.)
If you have any suggestions for other things to do that may work better, feel free to send them my way - I'd still consider myself in the Linux "newbie" stage, but I'm learning! (I tried compiling my first kernel the other night, totally broke my system, but managed to fix it without having to re-install SuSE from scratch :)
Steve I believe it likely that your four-year-old notebook will experience no
On Friday 06 August 2004 08:13, Steve Kratz wrote: <SNIP> problems based on personal experience: I had a [roughly] five-year-old Toshiba Satellite notebook running SuSE 8.2 Personal, and that notebook would standby w/o problems since it was entirely BIOS driven. The only thing I had to do was set the powermanagement.conf file to refresh the screen as it came out of standby. I now have a brand spankin' new HP Pavilion notebook & it has no APM --it uses ACPI, instead. I cannot get this notebook to standby for anything, since there is no BIOS setting in any of the BIOS setup screens, and the Control Center tells me that ACPI is non-operational (read, 'busted') in this kernel. I think it likely that your standby may actually be BIOS driven even though you are running 9.1 (I'm running 9 Pro) because my box *still* would not standby but if I closed the lid the screen would auto-lock --the only setting in the ACPI that worked. FWIW... -- ...CH "The more they over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." Scotty
-----Original Message----- From: C Hamel [mailto:vgm2@sc2000.net] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:09 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] APM vs ACPI (No APM Suspend/Standy activated in kpowersave)
Well, I don't seem to have lost any functionality on my laptop (I don't know how "modern" it is - It's a Celeron 366 - old Thinkpad i1452... about 4 years old. No services show a failure on boot, system runs as fast as it did prior, AND I can "standby" the system fine now. (It will suspend, but the network card doesn't handle that process well - it refuses to wake back up. ifdown/ifup doesn't even revive it.)
If you have any suggestions for other things to do that may work better, feel free to send them my way - I'd still consider myself in the Linux "newbie" stage, but I'm learning! (I tried compiling my first kernel the other night, totally broke my system, but managed to fix it without having to re-install SuSE from scratch :)
Steve I believe it likely that your four-year-old notebook will experience no
On Friday 06 August 2004 08:13, Steve Kratz wrote: <SNIP> problems based on personal experience: I had a [roughly] five-year-old Toshiba Satellite notebook running SuSE 8.2 Personal, and that notebook would standby w/o problems since it was entirely BIOS driven. The only thing I had to do was set the powermanagement.conf file to refresh the screen as it came out of standby.
I now have a brand spankin' new HP Pavilion notebook & it has no APM --it uses ACPI, instead. I cannot get this notebook to standby for anything, since there is no BIOS setting in any of the BIOS setup screens, and the Control Center tells me that ACPI is non-operational (read, 'busted') in this kernel.
I think it likely that your standby may actually be BIOS driven even though you are running 9.1 (I'm running 9 Pro) because my box *still* would not standby but if I closed the lid the screen would auto-lock --the only setting in the ACPI that worked.
FWIW...
So... Would it be recommended to have APM and ACPI turned on for the kernel boot opts?
On Friday 06 August 2004 10:20, Steve Kratz wrote: <SNIP>
So... Would it be recommended to have APM and ACPI turned on for the kernel boot opts? If your box supports both, go for it. If not, you'd probably be well-advised to pick the one your box supports. My box won't boot at all unless ACPI is enabled. Enabling APM creates problems because my box doesn't support it.
In short, I'm still running 9 Pro because it works --except for standby, and it also operates as a file server quite a bit of the time; 9.1 gave me so many headaches that I just dumped it. Also, FWIW... -- ...CH "The more they over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." Scotty
On Friday 06 August 2004 07:27 am, C Hamel wrote:
On Friday 06 August 2004 10:20, Steve Kratz wrote: <SNIP>
So... Would it be recommended to have APM and ACPI turned on for the kernel boot opts?
If your box supports both, go for it.
What do you mean GO for it? apm and acpi are mutually exclusive. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Friday 06 August 2004 12:28, John Andersen wrote:
If your box supports both, go for it.
What do you mean GO for it? apm and acpi are mutually exclusive. Turns out I misread his msg. <LOL> Gonna have to blame my old, tiring eyes. :-\ -- ...CH "Home is the place you can scratch where it itches."
On Friday 06 August 2004 17:08, C Hamel wrote:
I now have a brand spankin' new HP Pavilion notebook & it has no APM --it uses ACPI, instead. I cannot get this notebook to standby for anything, since there is no BIOS setting in any of the BIOS setup screens, and the Control Center tells me that ACPI is non-operational (read, 'busted') in this kernel.
Perhaps acpi=force as kernel parameter helps... Cheers, Leen
On Friday 06 August 2004 17:08, C Hamel wrote:
I now have a brand spankin' new HP Pavilion notebook & it has no APM --it uses ACPI, instead. I cannot get this notebook to standby for anything, since there is no BIOS setting in any of the BIOS setup screens, and the Control Center tells me that ACPI is non-operational (read, 'busted') in this kernel.
Perhaps acpi=force as kernel parameter helps...
Cheers,
Leen I actually misstated: I meant to say, "not implemented" rather than "non-operational". I am running SuSE 9 w/default kernel since 9.1 was so
On Friday 06 August 2004 10:46, Leendert Meyer wrote: problematic on this box. -- ...CH "Home is the place you can scratch where it itches."
On Friday 06 August 2004 05:13 am, Steve Kratz wrote:
(It will suspend, but the network card doesn't handle that process well - it refuses to wake back up. ifdown/ifup doesn't even revive it.)
If you have any suggestions for other things to do that may work better, feel free to send them my way -
Is it builtin or pcmcia? rcpcmcia restart might awake the card. Also there may be some options to unload certain services prior to suspend that will shut down the card in a way that makes it happy.. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
-----Original Message----- From: John Andersen [mailto:jsa@pen.homeip.net] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:27 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] APM vs ACPI (No APM Suspend/Standy activated in kpowersave)
On Friday 06 August 2004 05:13 am, Steve Kratz wrote:
(It will suspend, but the network card doesn't handle that process well - it refuses to wake back up. ifdown/ifup doesn't even revive it.)
If you have any suggestions for other things to do that may work better, feel free to send them my way -
Is it builtin or pcmcia? rcpcmcia restart might awake the card. Also there may be some options to unload certain services prior to suspend that will shut down the card in a way that makes it happy..
-- _____________________________________ John Andersen
It's PCMCIA. I'll try the rcpcmcia restart next time. For now, it's not super critical for me to have power management working 100% - it's plugged into AC power 99% of the time. Thanks for the hints!
I have a similar problem with my 4 year old laptop. It has APM and not
ACPI. Used to work under SuSE 9.0. I'm still playing with some
parameters.
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Jerry Feldman
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