On Monday 18 March 2002 12:01, Nick Zentena wrote:

On March 18, 2002 01:02 am, Matthew Johnson wrote:

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Hmmm someone got carried away with St Patrick's day. Guinness is pretty strong stuff you know.

Not really. It's good for you. A nice session beer. If you want something a little stronger try a nice imperial stout.

Guinness is OK, as long as it's properly served; which means *freshly* poured and cool, not cold. But there are any number of better stouts, IMO. The Carlow Brewing Company (http://www.carlowbrewing.com/home.htm) does a *very* good stout - O'Hara's (voted the world's best stout in 2000). The Porter House (in Dublin, Cork and London) (http://www.porterhousebrewco.com/) do some very good stouts as well; Oyster Stout and Plain Porter. O'Hanlon's (in London) also do a very good home-produced Port Stout. Try any of them, if you get the chance; they do show Guinness up for what it is; the stout equivalent of Coors. cheers, Gideon.

I wouldn't normally go so OT, but... Marston's Oyster Stout is my fave - it comes only as a bottle-conditioned product (for those who don't know, that means that there is yeast in the bottle so that it undergoes a secondary fermentation in the bottle, like cask-conditioned ale does it the barrel, so pour carefully) and cannot be beat IMHO.

The Carlow Brewing Company (http://www.carlowbrewing.com/home.htm) does a *very* good stout - O'Hara's (voted the world's best stout in 2000). The Porter House (in Dublin, Cork and London) (http://www.porterhousebrewco.com/) do some very good stouts as well; Oyster Stout and Plain Porter. O'Hanlon's (in London) also do a very good home-produced Port Stout. -- James Ogley, Unix Systems Administrator, Pinnacle Insurance Plc james.ogley@pinnacle.co.uk www.pinnacle.co.uk +44 (0) 20 8731 3619 Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 7.x) This email was created and sent with Ximian Evolution 1.0.2 NEW: Advogato diary at www.advogato.org/person/riggwelter

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I'm sorry to see that this has not turned into a longer thread, but I'm sure James will be interested ... Morrells of Oxford used to have a nice sweetish `milk stout' - I've no idea if it's still produced as Morrells have now been taken over. And I was once introduced to something called imperial Russian Stout. Again I don't know if it's still available. On 18 Mar 2002, James Ogley wrote:

I wouldn't normally go so OT, but...

Marston's Oyster Stout is my fave - it comes only as a bottle-conditioned product (for those who don't know, that means that there is yeast in the bottle so that it undergoes a secondary fermentation in the bottle, like cask-conditioned ale does it the barrel, so pour carefully) and cannot be beat IMHO.

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The Carlow Brewing Company (http://www.carlowbrewing.com/home.htm) does a *very* good stout - O'Hara's (voted the world's best stout in 2000). The Porter House (in Dublin, Cork and London) (http://www.porterhousebrewco.com/) do some very good stouts as well; Oyster Stout and Plain Porter. O'Hanlon's (in London) also do a very good home-produced Port Stout.

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On Monday 18 March 2002 20:23, Roger Whittaker wrote:

I'm sorry to see that this has not turned into a longer thread, but I'm sure James will be interested ...

And I was once introduced to something called imperial Russian Stout. Again I don't know if it's still available.

Imperial stout is a generic name, really; it applies to a style of stout originally brewed in Britain for the Russian Tsars. (See http://www.ratebeer.com/StyleGuide.asp for more information) If you're in the UK, Samuel Smith (Yorkshire) do an Imperial stout - see http://www.mdv-beer.com/pages/5_breweries/samsmith.html Harvey's Brewery (Sussex) also do a Double Imperial Stout (see http://www.protzonbeer.com/documents/27660-001560.html) Hook Norton Double Stout is *almost* like an Imperial stout. A friend of mine runs the Beer Shop in London; and does mail order for bottled beers within the UK (and sells about 550 sorts of bottled beer - see http://www.pitfieldbeershop.co.uk/html/british_beers.html for his British list.) Cheers, Gideon.

On Monday 18 March 2002 22.39, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

suse-ale

A SuSE ale, now that would be something I'd buy. German software is good, but german beer is the *best*. would it be GPLed? //Anders

* Christopher Mahmood [03-18-02 17:08]:

* Anders Johansson (andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net) [020318 13:43]:

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On Monday 18 March 2002 22.39, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

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suse-ale

A SuSE ale, now that would be something I'd buy. German software is good, but german beer is the *best*.

would it be GPLed?

Of course not! No free 6 packs either. In our continuing efforts to be parasites on the Free Beer community we'll only allow you to get individual bottles for free; if you want to make your own 6 packs you'll have to do it yourself or buy ours.

We tried to get the marketing people to get a local beer with SuSE labels on it for tradeshow giveaways instead of the pens and other junk that everyone else gives away but they never would. I think we still have some of the SuSE beer steins and a lot of the bottle opener keychains that say, oddly enough, "The tools for success" on them ;)

And WHAT would be the procedure to download a 'SuSE Beer Stein' perferable full and cold. -- Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org 5:18pm up 1 day, 34 min, 7 users, load average: 1.00, 1.04, 0.88

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We tried to get the marketing people to get a local beer with SuSE labels on it for tradeshow giveaways instead of the pens and other junk that everyone else gives away but they never would. I think we still have some of the SuSE beer steins and a lot of the bottle opener keychains that say, oddly enough, "The tools for success" on them ;)

And WHAT would be the procedure to download a 'SuSE Beer Stein' perferable full and cold.

I'll take mine empty (no American beer here !!), and a few keychains...:-) Sounds like a bloody good marketing idea - especially for Australia.

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And WHAT would be the procedure to download a 'SuSE Beer Stein' perferable full and cold.

I'll take mine empty (no American beer here !!), and a few keychains...:-)

Sounds like a bloody good marketing idea - especially for Australia.

I had a few West Ends and some Swans when I was in the Alice, '60/'61.

Hmmm... Allright if you like drinking crap, I guess... Heiniken (sp) is probably the best here, or possibly Cascade from Tasmania. Jon

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:19:08 +0000 "Gideon Hallett" scribbled in frustration:

On Monday 18 March 2002 21:42, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Monday 18 March 2002 22.39, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

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suse-ale

A SuSE ale, now that would be something I'd buy. German software is good, but german beer is the *best*.

Ooof! that's contentious!

German beer is the best *if* you like German bier. It's recognisably different to, say, Belgian beers, since the most common German style is a lager.

For sheer variety, though, British beer probably has the most choices around; Britain dominates ales and invented 'pale ale', 'bitter', 'mild', 'porter', 'stout' and any number of other types of beer that can be found around the world today.

cheers, Gideon. ========================================== Hmmmmmm...., might we be able to get IDG to host a BeerWorld Expo?????? Mike

-- "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Benjamin Franklin

On March 19, 2002 03:43 am, Brian Durant wrote:

On Tuesday 19 March 2002 05:19, you wrote:

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German beer is the best *if* you like German bier. It's recognisably different to, say, Belgian beers, since the most common German style is a lager.

For sheer variety, though, British beer probably has the most choices around; Britain dominates ales and invented 'pale ale', 'bitter', 'mild', 'porter', 'stout' and any number of other types of beer that can be found around the world today.

Try some locally produced German beer from the Black Forest area. A yeast based beer is the most mellow beer you will ever taste! Austrian beers are also right up there.

Do you mean unfiltered? What's the german phrase? Hefe yeast ? The weizen? Almost all beers are yeast based. Except for the odd sour beer and even they may have some yeast. Nick

On Tuesday 19 March 2002 15:15, Nick Zentena wrote:

On March 18, 2002 05:19 pm, Gideon Hallett wrote:

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German beer is the best *if* you like German bier. It's recognisably different to, say, Belgian beers, since the most common German style is a lager.

Well the most common US style is a lager to. Doesn't mean much-)

Though the US does brew some decent real beers, but only generally from small breweries. Anchor Steam is good, as is Red Hook (both from SF); and Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is great, but very difficult to get hold of in Europe (read: bloody impossible).

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For sheer variety, though, British beer probably has the most choices around; Britain dominates ales and invented 'pale ale', 'bitter', 'mild', 'porter', 'stout' and any number of other types of beer that can be found around the world today.

You could argue that Mild to bitter to IPA is one type of beer with a wide range of examples. I always thought Belgium had the most breweries per capita. With the most different kinds of beers.

They're all really descended (including stout) from the various sorts of (London) porter - see http://www.beerhunter.com/documents/19133-000041.html - but they're also different enough to qualify as different beers by now. Anyway, Belgium's only got about 10 million people, and 300+ breweries; the UK and Germany both have more breweries (AFAIAA), but also have a lot more people. cheers, Gideon.

At 22:42 18/03/02 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Monday 18 March 2002 22.39, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

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suse-ale

A SuSE ale, now that would be something I'd buy. German software is good, but german beer is the *best*.

Nein, dumkopf..... GUINNESS is the best - done some of my best HTML coding after a lunch of 6 pints...:-) I must admit, German beer holds a special place in my heart (also my kidneys, liver and bladder) Jon

On March 18, 2002 04:39 pm, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

* Roger Whittaker (roger@suse.co.uk) [020318 12:21]:

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I'm sorry to see that this has not turned into a longer thread, but I'm sure James will be interested ...

OK, I'm taking requests for a new list, suse-beer-e. Of course, this thread would be OT there as well since it really belongs on suse-ale-e. We can probably get away with not having a German version of suse-ale, esp. since the Bavarians/Franconians don't seem fond of "alt bier". Roger, will you be list owner?

Does the US still have it's interesting rules for deciding what is called an ale and what is called a beer? Nick

* Joshua Lee [03-20-02 18:42]:

On Tuesday 19 March 2002 10:20 am, Nick Zentena wrote:

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On March 18, 2002 04:39 pm, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

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OK, I'm taking requests for a new list, suse-beer-e. Of course, this thread would be OT there as well since it really belongs on suse-ale-e. We can probably get away with not having a German version of suse-ale, esp. since the Bavarians/Franconians don't seem fond of "alt bier". Roger, will you be list owner?

Does the US still have it's interesting rules for deciding what is called an ale and what is called a beer?

They certainly do. For example, Coors is called a beer when it should be called thick "rocky-mountain springwater."

Yes, it and Miller Lite and like having sex in a canoe, f***ing near water. -- Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org 7:32pm up 3 days, 2:48, 5 users, load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.05

On Thursday 21 March 2002 08:23, you wrote:

Commenting n Busch products,. an Englishman commented that it was Watery Fizz.

Danes describe it as about the same taste you get when sticking your tongue out of the car window, while doing 180 Kph on the Autobahn ;-) On the other hand, some Danes living in the States like to put ice cubes in it and drink it like lemonade on a hot summers day :-)) Cheers, Brian

* Joshua Lee (yid@SoftHome.net) [020322 11:48]: ->On Wednesday 20 March 2002 08:23 pm, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote: ->> Commenting n Busch products,. an Englishman commented that it was Watery ->> Fizz. -> ->The English are noted for being polite. ;-) -> ->> But there is good beer made in St. Louis, Mo. It is made by the Schlafly ->> family (yes, Phyllis's family) and sold in bottles throughout Missouri. ->> You can have a great draught of it at the Tap Room in St. Louis. "It", by ->> the way, is several brews, including various forms of stout, lager and ->> pilsner-type beers and weitzen. -> ->If I'm ever in Missouri (or Missour-ah as my great-grandparents from greater ->St. Louis called it) I'll have to try some. Nahh..I grew up in STL and even worked for A. Busch for a while..the stuff they produce is for the most part crap. ;) --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC --=====-----=====--