On Saturday 22 May 2004 10:39, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:

On Thursday 20 May 2004 22:38, Thom Nuzum wrote:

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I have a new Seagate 160 GB hard drive. I did a default install and changed nothing. On boot I get grub stage 2 message: something I never had before, but is positive. Windows XP boots and so does Linux

Great to hear a succes story between all these reports about problems with SuSE 9.1.

Did you do a NTFS partition resize using YaST during installaton? There has been reported problems with it and it is holding my back from installing 9.1.

That's a problem if you rely on the list for info about how good or bad a SUSE release is. No one complains when it works - but the list is a help list, so the people having problems will be posting the problems... I've installed 9.1 on a Centrino laptop, an old Gateway laptop with a Celeron 500MHz processor, and a couple desktop PCs with AMD athlons and had zero problems. All machines are set up to dual boot to various versions of Windows. Each and every time it's installed smoothly (as a clean install, not an upgrade), and worked perfectly. It's faster than 9.0 on virtually every task, and hasn't crashed once on any of the machines. In fact on the Centrino laptop, it works better than Windows or SUSE9.0. I get better battery lifetime, and things like the video work great. OK, I wish the WIFI would work, but that's a driver issue, not a SUSE9.1 issue. c

I see your point here and I am so eager to install SuSE 9.1. It's just that I can't ignore the messages I read. Especially I am concerned with this issue about NTFS resizing described in this review:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1585840,00.asp

Personally... I wouldn't use the SUSE installer to resize an NTFS partition. I've had no problems with FAT32 partitions, but NTFS and Linux don't play well together. Do it the easy way... use native Windows tools to do it. You can use some of the tools provided with Win2k (not sure about XP) or use a 3rd party tool like Partition Magic. Saves you a lot of grief and trouble. C.

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On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 05:56, Clayton wrote:

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Which version of Partition Magic will resize the only partition - NTFS under XP?

8 for sure, and I think 7 does so also. I've got my hands on a Dell D600 Latitude laptop that I wants

to downsize that single partition to open up room for either 8.2 Pro or 0.1 Pro.

Mike

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On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 04:13, Mike McMullin wrote:

On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 05:56, Clayton wrote:

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I see your point here and I am so eager to install SuSE 9.1. It's just that I can't ignore the messages I read. Especially I am concerned with this issue about NTFS resizing described in this review:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1585840,00.asp

Personally... I wouldn't use the SUSE installer to resize an NTFS partition. I've had no problems with FAT32 partitions, but NTFS and Linux don't play well together. Do it the easy way... use native Windows tools to do it. You can use some of the tools provided with Win2k (not sure about XP) or use a 3rd party tool like Partition Magic. Saves you a lot of grief and trouble.

Which version of Partition Magic will resize the only partition - NTFS under XP? I've got my hands on a Dell D600 Latitude laptop that I wants to downsize that single partition to open up room for either 8.2 Pro or 0.1 Pro.

Mike

Hi Mike, Having been using Partition Magic since the days of OS/2, I am somewhat surprised about your concern using PM on an NTFS partition. The earliest PM manual that I still have is PM v4 and it clearly states that version 4 can create, size, or move NTFS partitions. NTFS has been around at least since WinNT 3.5 and Partition Magic has always been able to change NTFS partitions since at least that time. If your concern is about using the PM GUI on WinXP then try and not use the PM GUI wizards. PM has the ability to create bootable floppies that include a graphical version of PM. By using bootable media you can use PM to change partitions of a hard drive in most configurations, or configure the partitions before any OS is installed, or even delete a partition if the OS on the partition becomes too corrupted to allow access. So ignore the installed OS, burn your version of PM to floppies or a bootable CD, make the changes that you want. Partition Magic is Windows-centric so I suggest that you only use PM to manipulate the Windows partitions. Leave a chunk of hard drive as unallocated, preferably as a logical rather than primary partition. Then use the expert configure utility in SuSE setup your actual Linux partitions. I have found that occasionally Windows will not accept partition changes made to Windows partitions by Linux and also that Linux will not accept the Linux partitions (/, /home, etc.) as setup by Partition Magic. Use PM to change Windows partitions and use Linux to change Linux partitions. btw -Partition Magic 7 manual says it works with WinXP -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01

Thom nuzum wrote:

Regarding NTFS what is the advantage for the home user?

That would depend on what they're trying to do.

On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 19:50, Thom nuzum wrote:

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Regarding NTFS what is the advantage for the home user?

None that I can think of, except M$ made it a real bitch to install windows XP home on fat...

Jerry

I can find no way to format into Fat32 with the XP disk, but most hard drive manufacturers have a utility disk that lets you by choosing its advanced setup feature.

I use knoppix, or have an emrgency floppy... On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 23:37, Thom Nuzum wrote:

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On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 19:50, Thom nuzum wrote:

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Regarding NTFS what is the advantage for the home user?

None that I can think of, except M$ made it a real bitch to install windows XP home on fat...

Jerry

I can find no way to format into Fat32 with the XP disk, but most hard drive manufacturers have a utility disk that lets you by choosing its advanced setup feature.

Jerry Feldman wrote:

On Sat, 22 May 2004 14:37:54 -0700 (PDT) "Thom Nuzum" wrote:

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On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 19:50, Thom nuzum wrote:

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Regarding NTFS what is the advantage for the home user?

None that I can think of, except M$ made it a real bitch to install windows XP home on fat...

The advantage of NTFS is that it is a better file system than FAT32 and it uses journalling. However, you still have the fragmentation problems. The disadvantage to the Linux user is that you have limited access to the file system in that read-only access works, but read-write access is still experimental.

This is disadvantage to a Linux and other NON Winblows OS. However, lets think of it as a Windows problem and not a Linux one. So "It is limitation to Microsoft Window NTFS users." The best way I have heard to beat the problem is by having 3 partitions. NTFS (bootable), fat32/16 (smaller for data), and Linux (any fs type). Linux writes to the fat32 and then that flawed NTFS system can import from there. -- 73 de Donn Washburn __ " http://www.hal-pc.org/~n5xwb " Ham Callsign N5XWB / / __ __ __ __ __ __ __ 307 Savoy St. / /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ / Sugar Land, TX 77478 /_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\ LL# 1.281.242.3256 Dump Microsoft Software - Stop virus email Email: n5xwb@hal-pc.org " http://counter.li.org " #279316

On Sunday 23 May 2004 15:17, James Knott wrote:

If you have to work with XP, one thing you can do, is create a FAT32 partition and move the "My Documents" folder there. This makes it a lot easier to share files between the two sides.

It is possible to use tools in WinXP to split the (active) NTFS-partition up in two partions (one NTFS; one FAT32) using tools in XP and then do the "My documents" trick? Janus -- Roskilde University, Denmark. Department of Technology and Social Science. International Development Studies. ESST - Society, Science and Technology in Europe.

On Sunday 23 May 2004 11:34, Jerry Feldman wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:57:03 +0200

Janus Sandsgaard wrote:

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On Sunday 23 May 2004 15:17, James Knott wrote:

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If you have to work with XP, one thing you can do, is create a FAT32 partition and move the "My Documents" folder there. This makes it a lot easier to share files between the two sides.

It is possible to use tools in WinXP to split the (active) NTFS-partition up in two partions (one NTFS; one FAT32) using tools in XP and then do the "My documents" trick?

Partition Magic and similar products (including qtparted) will do this.

I have always had a My Doc folder on dsktop as well as My graphics/pictures so I can use Gimp in Linux which is way more stable, then I boot into Windows and use my Web editor..Haven't messed with Quanta yet. Have found it almost impossible to create a fat 32 on some boxes without a hard disk utility. Many of them come with a new hard drive in the advanced feature setup will do fat 32. -- Thom Nuzum thom@tendata.com Realtor Technology Training Washington DC, Virginia,& Maryland

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The advantage of NTFS is that it is a better file system than FAT32 and it uses journalling. However, you still have the fragmentation

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The disadvantage to the Linux user is that you have limited access to the file system in that read-only access works, but read-write access is still experimental.

This is disadvantage to a Linux and other NON Winblows OS. However, lets think of it as a Windows problem and not a Linux one. So "It is limitation to Microsoft Window NTFS users."

The best way I have heard to beat the problem is by having 3 partitions. NTFS (bootable), fat32/16 (smaller for data), and Linux (any fs type). Linux writes to the fat32 and then that flawed NTFS system can import from there.

If you have to work with XP, one thing you can do, is create a FAT32 partition and move the "My Documents" folder there. This makes it a lot easier to share files between the two sides.

How can I do so, if I have everything in NTFS? Thank Alejo

On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 13:50, Thom nuzum wrote:

Regarding NTFS what is the advantage for the home user?

Not much I think. WinFS is supposed to debut in Longhorn, which means backwards compatibility issues for Windows, and access issues for us other OS guys. Mike

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Do it the easy way... use native Windows tools to do it. You can use some of the tools provided with Win2k (not sure about XP) or use a 3rd party tool like Partition Magic. Saves you a lot of grief and trouble.

What are the partition tools called in Win2k? I do not want to buy Partition Magic.

There are disk management tools in the Administrative menus somewhere - I don't have Win2k installed anymore, so I can't go look it up. I do remember it being there though, and I have used it in the past to manage the partitions. C.

I dont remember if PM7.0 is rated for W2k if it is I can send you a copy or you can try Knoppix 3.4 dated 5-10-04 I hope your not too far outside the USA. CWSIV On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 04:10, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:

On Saturday 22 May 2004 11:56, Clayton wrote:

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Personally... I wouldn't use the SUSE installer to resize an NTFS partition.

I had the same opinion until I succesfully did NTFS resize with SuSE 9.0 on a few machines a work. It's just that it sound as if there is a bug in 9.1.

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I've had no problems with FAT32 partitions, but NTFS and Linux don't play well together.

Sad, because NTFS have been standard on Win for a long time. Of cource you can make a FAT32 for file exchange between the two OSs, but the ability to resize and read data from a NTFS partition (with YaST, not some extra application sold seperatly) is a must in a world with a lot of Windows users and -PCs.

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Do it the easy way... use native Windows tools to do it. You can use some of the tools provided with Win2k (not sure about XP) or use a 3rd party tool like Partition Magic. Saves you a lot of grief and trouble.

What are the partition tools called in Win2k? I do not want to buy Partition Magic.

Janus

-- Roskilde University, Denmark. Department of Technology and Social Science. International Development Studies. ESST - Society, Science and Technology in Europe.

On Sat, 22 May 2004, Clayton wrote:

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I see your point here and I am so eager to install SuSE 9.1. It's just that I can't ignore the messages I read. Especially I am concerned with this issue about NTFS resizing described in this review:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1585840,00.asp

Personally... I wouldn't use the SUSE installer to resize an NTFS partition. I've had no problems with FAT32 partitions, but NTFS and Linux don't play well together. Do it the easy way... use native Windows tools to do it. You can use some of the tools provided with Win2k (not sure about XP) or use a 3rd party tool like Partition Magic. Saves you a lot of grief and trouble.

C.

I agree completely. I always use Partition Magic to resize Winxx partitions. Even then you are not immune as I learned the hard way once when I didn't do a diskcheck before repartitioning. Partitionmagic will stop the process when encountering bad blocks and you will end up with a hung process. At that point you will hope to have done a backup... Alex.

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lifetime, and things like the video work great. OK, I wish the WIFI would work, but that's a driver issue, not a SUSE9.1 issue.

c

Did you see the driver upgrades that came a day or 2 ago

4 of them actually ;-)

Yah, and I installed them, but haven't had time to tinker and see if they work... mostly cuz I dont' have a WiFi thing here at home .... yet.... ;-) C.

On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 19:42, Thom nuzum wrote:

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I've installed 9.1 on a Centrino laptop, an old Gateway laptop with a Celeron 500MHz processor, and a couple desktop PCs with AMD athlons and had zero problems. All machines are set up to dual boot to various versions of Windows. Each and every time it's installed smoothly (as a clean install, not an upgrade), and worked perfectly. It's faster than 9.0 on virtually every task, and hasn't crashed once on any of the machines. In fact on the Centrino laptop, it works better than Windows or SUSE9.0. I get better battery lifetime, and things like the video work great. OK, I wish the WIFI would work, but that's a driver issue, not a SUSE9.1 issue.

c So how do you explain my bad luck with 3 different systems: One home made and to office cyberpower boxes. All run AMD on Soyos. --

I've installed on 3 systems no problems... so I could say "how do you explain that?". But of course the answer is you can't, just as we can't explain how come you've had so many problems... Jerry..

Thom Nuzum thom@tendata.com Realtor Technology Training Washington DC, Virginia,& Maryland

Another 2 stories: 1. Suse 9.1 pro for x86 installed on a AMD64 machine; only OS on a 240 gb WD hdd. Everything works great except for the on board lan card. Still searching infos for it. 2. Suse 9.1 pro on a Toshiba A25 laptop with pre installed Windows XP pro. I already had Suse 9.0 on it, so no NTFS resizing here. Detected and configured everything (wireless, video card, etc), except for the integrated SD reader for whom I understood there is no driver yet. Blazing fast on both machines, Suse did a good job with this one. Very happy with it so far. Regards. At 11:39 AM 5/22/2004, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:

On Thursday 20 May 2004 22:38, Thom Nuzum wrote:

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I have a new Seagate 160 GB hard drive. I did a default install and changed nothing. On boot I get grub stage 2 message: something I never had before, but is positive. Windows XP boots and so does Linux

Great to hear a succes story between all these reports about problems with SuSE 9.1.

Did you do a NTFS partition resize using YaST during installaton? There has been reported problems with it and it is holding my back from installing 9.1.

Janus

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On Saturday 22 May 2004 19:39, Thom nuzum wrote:

Linux is excellent for backing up Windows data so I would do this more often if you are on FAT and safer also especially if you use Reiser format.

ReiserFS is safer? Why? Janus -- Roskilde University, Denmark. Department of Technology and Social Science. International Development Studies. ESST - Society, Science and Technology in Europe.