[opensuse] How smart is the 12.x installer?
Regular readers will recall that I, like many others here, run more than one type of Linux. In particular, I run mandriva on my file server, the old Dell box under my desk. Its a good, solid machine, well engineered, even if, by todays standards, under powered. That's got to change. A replacement is on the way. But even so, initially it will run of the same disk, same mandriva. Mandriva has got to go. Its not being maintained aggressively. Mandriva 2012 Alpha came out in September, two months late. Distrowatch tells me that Alpha 2 came out earlier this month, so I can expect mandriva 2012 some time in 2013. I think I'll change. The disk in my server is large and runs LVM apart from the root partition, which includes /boot. I have no problem creating a new LVM partition that is root+/usr and using the old root partition as /boot. A 700G /boot :-) Plenty of room for all the stuff in grub2. Like Fedora and openSuse, Mandriva is a RPM based distribution. Now my question. Is the installer for openSuse 12 smart enough to a) deal with root+/usr in a LVM partition? if /boot is in the physical partition... b) recognise and preserve all the config files in the /etc in the LVM partition c) recognise all the installed applications with the "-mdv2011*" suffix and replace them with - possibly later version - openSuse equivalents? What I'm asking is 'can I do an 'upgrade' across distributions? I'd hate to do a 'rpm -q -a' on the present system and then manually make sure all the stuff was installed in the new. Googling for "linux upgrade across distributions" doesn't return a lot that seems helpful. This http://news.opensuse.org/2012/09/05/opensuse-12-2-green-means-go/ claims that the " latest release of the world’s most powerful and flexible Linux Distribution" ... Flexible? What if I just install Zypper and try to do a live update? Thoughts and suggestions, please -- Marketing is the science of convincing us that What You Get Is What You Want. -- John Carter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/27/2012 12:27 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Regular readers will recall that I, like many others here, run more than one type of Linux. In particular, I run mandriva on my file server, the old Dell box under my desk. Its a good, solid machine, well engineered, even if, by todays standards, under powered.
That's got to change. A replacement is on the way. But even so, initially it will run of the same disk, same mandriva.
Mandriva has got to go. Its not being maintained aggressively. Mandriva 2012 Alpha came out in September, two months late. Distrowatch tells me that Alpha 2 came out earlier this month, so I can expect mandriva 2012 some time in 2013.
I think I'll change.
The disk in my server is large and runs LVM apart from the root partition, which includes /boot. I have no problem creating a new LVM partition that is root+/usr and using the old root partition as /boot. A 700G /boot :-) Plenty of room for all the stuff in grub2.
Like Fedora and openSuse, Mandriva is a RPM based distribution.
Now my question.
Is the installer for openSuse 12 smart enough to
a) deal with root+/usr in a LVM partition? if /boot is in the physical partition...
b) recognise and preserve all the config files in the /etc in the LVM partition
c) recognise all the installed applications with the "-mdv2011*" suffix and replace them with - possibly later version - openSuse equivalents?
What I'm asking is 'can I do an 'upgrade' across distributions?
No you cannot, this is destined to lead to problems.
I'd hate to do a 'rpm -q -a' on the present system and then manually make sure all the stuff was installed in the new.
Inconvenient, I agree. But this is your best route to success (stable properly functioning system). Anything else will just lead to problems at some point or another. You can backup your /etc directory and for a large number of configuration files you will be able to just use your previously customized files. HTH, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rjschwei@suse.com rschweik@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-11-27 12:27 (GMT-0500) Anton Aylward composed:
Regular readers will recall that I, like many others here, run more than one type of Linux. In particular, I run mandriva on my file server, the old Dell box under my desk. Its a good, solid machine, well engineered, even if, by todays standards, under powered.
That's got to change. A replacement is on the way. But even so, initially it will run of the same disk, same mandriva.
Mandriva has got to go. Its not being maintained aggressively. Mandriva 2012 Alpha came out in September, two months late.
Last I checked, Mageia still offered a direct upgrade path (via urpmi at least) from Mandriva. Mageia probably has most of Mandriva's community and active developers too. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata said the following on 11/27/2012 05:37 PM:
On 2012-11-27 12:27 (GMT-0500) Anton Aylward composed:
Mandriva has got to go. Its not being maintained aggressively. Mandriva 2012 Alpha came out in September, two months late.
Last I checked, Mageia still offered a direct upgrade path (via urpmi at least) from Mandriva. Mageia probably has most of Mandriva's community and active developers too.
Well that was fun! So you can do cross-distribution updates ... to a degree. I did an network "upgrade" to mag2. For the most part it went well; a few things were blocked because of a bum dot.rpm and some instances where rpm thought the mandriva version was a later version than the mag2. Nothing insurmountable and certainly less than some upgrades I had years ago with earlier versions of openSuse. I'm going to try two things now. The first is to download the DVD so I can recover if I really hose things :-) The second is to try one of the openSuse repositories, something like VLC Who knows ....? -- "What we have learned from others becomes our own by reflection". -- Ralph Waldo Emerson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-11-28 08:19 (GMT-0500) Anton Aylward composed:
Felix Miata said:
On 2012-11-27 12:27 (GMT-0500) Anton Aylward composed:
Mandriva has got to go. Its not being maintained aggressively. Mandriva 2012 Alpha came out in September, two months late.
Last I checked, Mageia still offered a direct upgrade path (via urpmi at least) from Mandriva. Mageia probably has most of Mandriva's community and active developers too.
Well that was fun! So you can do cross-distribution updates ... to a degree.
Mandriva to Mageia is a special case, because Mageia began as a fork of Mandriva created by developers who had been Mandriva developers. I suspect the key is use of the same package manager before and after, in this case, Urpmi. Because openSUSE provides Yum as an option, maybe to/from openSUSE and Fedora or CentOS could work.
I did an network "upgrade" to mag2. For the most part it went well...
Next one may be more fun: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata said the following on 11/28/2012 09:43 AM:
Because openSUSE provides Yum as an option, maybe to/from openSUSE and Fedora or CentOS could work.
I can see using yum under openSuse to draw on fedora repositories but wouldn't it require zypper on fedora to draw on/convert to opensuse? Back when .. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=458254 Or perhaps I should be looking at http://pkgs.org/download/zypper -- "Preconceived notions are the locks on the door to wisdom". -- Merry Browne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 27/11/12 14:27, Anton Aylward escribió:
What I'm asking is 'can I do an 'upgrade' across distributions?
While it would be an interesting exercise to understand the deep differences ..the answer is no. upgrades acrossdistros are not going to work at all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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