On Saturday 09 December 2006 04:28, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Dec 8 2006 14:32, Wade Berrier wrote:

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Any particular reason there are no i686 rpms available from download.opensuse.org?

Why do you need i686? (Ok, there are a few like glibc.) i586 works for everyone.

That's a question I've wondered about - If we have a 686 system wouldn't the 686 packages be better than the 586?

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http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/suse/

I realize they come on the isos, but it might be nice for network or in place upgrades.

-`J' --

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On Dec 9 2006 22:05, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:

Brett I. Holcomb wrote:

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On Saturday 09 December 2006 04:28, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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Why do you need i686? (Ok, there are a few like glibc.) i586 works for everyone.

That's a question I've wondered about - If we have a 686 system wouldn't the 686 packages be better than the 586?

I have read here the difference is so slight that it isn't worth it for most packages. Some packages do benefit to be sure, but they are few in number.

There are few (correct me if I guess wrong) new instructions from 586 to 686. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 09 December 2006 05:16, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:

On Saturday 09 December 2006 04:28, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Dec 8 2006 14:32, Wade Berrier wrote:

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Any particular reason there are no i686 rpms available from download.opensuse.org?

Why do you need i686? (Ok, there are a few like glibc.) i586 works for everyone.

That's a question I've wondered about - If we have a 686 system wouldn't the 686 packages be better than the 586?

I always try to get the i686 versions, too. I notice quite often that they are more seamless to run than the i586 versions. I'm guessing there's some compilation which takes into account the newer processors. I suppose it is more of a "seat of the pants" type feeling and I doubt I'd be able to document it so I expect a bunch of hardcore geeks to come back and tell me I'm wrong and that I should just be using assembler programs written for the 8086 in commandline since I'd be better off anyway. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, Dec 09, 2006 at 10:12:24AM -0700, Wade Berrier wrote:

Hi,

On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 10:28 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Dec 8 2006 14:32, Wade Berrier wrote:

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Any particular reason there are no i686 rpms available from download.opensuse.org?

Why do you need i686? (Ok, there are a few like glibc.) i586 works for everyone.

Right, glibc as well as db come for i686 on the cds. I'm just curious as to why they are on the cds and not in the internet installation source.

I mailed the responsible guys. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stephan, On Monday 11 December 2006 23:50, Stephan Binner wrote:

On Friday 08 December 2006 22:32, Wade Berrier wrote:

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Any reason there are no i686 rpms available from download.opensuse.org?

Some oversight, they are available now.

Will YaST detect and upgrade to these packages automatically, now that they're there?

Bye, Steve

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On Tuesday 12 December 2006 11:43, Stephan Binner wrote:

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 17:42, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Some oversight, they are available now.

Will YaST detect and upgrade to these packages automatically, now that they're there?

Don't think so. If you did a net installation, why don't you try? :-)

Eh? For one thing, I try not to mistake what does happen for what's supposed to happen. This installation is an upgraded from RC1, from beta2, from beta1 from alpha5) all based on downloaded DVD images. I added Guru's RPM, Packman and the two Installation Repositories from Mirrors.Kernel.org and updated all the installed packages. The only 686-specific packages among them were a few media-oriented ones from the Packman repository. Perhaps the new packages haven't made it to Mirrors.Kernel.org, yet?

Bye, Steve

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On Tuesday 12 December 2006 13:01, Stephan Binner wrote:

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 21:56, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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all based on downloaded DVD images.

So why do you worry about the net installation source?

What is the whole point of this thread? There are already updates to the packages in the release. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 15:18, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:

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Following along Randal's point, sort of <ducks> did anyone else get this message after the kernal update?

You must be thinking of that Perl guy, Randal Schwartz. I'm Randall Schulz. What's the difference? I know how to spell Randall... RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* jfweber@gilweber.com [12-12-06 23:04]:

On Tue December 12 2006 6:40 pm, Randall R Schulz scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:

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You must be thinking of that Perl guy, Randal Schwartz. I'm Randall Schulz. What's the difference? I know how to spell Randall...

ouch! Sorry 'bout that . I, most obviously didn't know.. OTH, you can't be sure it wasn't just my usual (non)typing skill that caused that "oops!"

Must remember, perl is known an haveing many ways to do one thing. Perhaps the same exists in spelling Randal[l]'s surname. :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:13:31 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Schulz means "protector," or something of that ilk.

Let a German tell you that it doesn't ;-) I can only guess that it is related to Schulze, which is an old term for mayor. So in the end, you weren't *that* far away :) Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 10:01, Geir A. Myrestrand wrote:

Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:13:31 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Schulz means "protector," or something of that ilk.

Let a German tell you that it doesn't ;-) I can only guess that it is related to Schulze, which is an old term for mayor. So in the end, you weren't *that* far away :)

No need to guess, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulz

I wrote "policeman" first, but then after checking the association with the SS, changed it to "protector." I'm guessing that a common root is involved with all these various meanings.

If it is in Wikipedia then it is true, right? ;-)

Wikipedia defines reality.

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Stephen Berman wrote:

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:16:50 -0800 Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:13:31 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Schulz means "protector," or something of that ilk. Let a German tell you that it doesn't ;-) I can only guess that it is related to Schulze, which is an old term for mayor. So in the end, you weren't *that* far away :) No need to guess, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulz I wrote "policeman" first, but then after checking the association with

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 10:01, Geir A. Myrestrand wrote: the SS, changed it to "protector." I'm guessing that a common root is involved with all these various meanings.

According to the etymologies I've seen, Schulze is a shortened form of Schultheiss, which literally means, roughly, the one who orders debts to be collected (Schuld = debt, related to English should).

The office of Schultheiß or Schulze (schout in Dutch) is a lot like that of the mediaeval sheriff in England.

Schutz derives from a word meaning to contain or damn in (water), related to English shut.

That's one meaning, but another one (a lot more common) is that of 'protection'. ("Darf ich Ihnen Schirm und Schutz anbieten?", R.W. Fassbinder, Die Sehnsucht der Veronika Voss) Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 09:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Randall R Schulz [12-13-06 11:15]:

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Instead, let's think of Charles Schulz, may he rest in peace.

And may the Great Pumpkin remain in the hearts of children forever.

I'm more of an FSM devotee, mostly because the ambiguity with Finite State Machine. That, and the fact that pasta is good food.

-- Patrick Shanahan

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On Wednesday 13 December 2006 11:08, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Randall R Schulz [12-13-06 13:19]:

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I'm more of an FSM devotee, mostly because the ambiguity with Finite State Machine. That, and the fact that pasta is good food.

:^( My doctor tells me, no breads/pastas/carbs/sugars :^(

Your doctor needs to learn about mammalian physiology. Carbohydrates are the primary macronutrient for supplying metabolic energy. Using proteins as an energy source places a excessively high load on the kidneys to process all the unneeded nitrogenous compounds produced when amino acids are metabolized for the purpose of providing cellular metabolic energy. Using fats to supply energy is also problematic, mostly in terms of vascular health is concerned.

NO BEER, Loose weight - More exercise

Ah. You must _purchase_ the opportunity to have a beer with an appropriate amount of exercise!

guess I just saved a LOT of $$$$s

-- Patrick Shanahan

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Randall R Schulz [12-13-06 13:19]:

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I'm more of an FSM devotee, mostly because the ambiguity with Finite State Machine. That, and the fact that pasta is good food.

:^( My doctor tells me, no breads/pastas/carbs/sugars :^( NO BEER, Loose weight - More exercise

guess I just saved a LOT of $$$$s

Yep, all that money you used to waist on food can now be used for computers! ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz wrote:

Oh, it's not the surname. Schwartz means "black," Schulz means "protector," or something of that ilk. Sadly, it shares a root with the first word of SS, or Schutzstaffel.

Instead, let's think of Charles Schulz, may he rest in peace.

I even bought a bag of peanuts today, in his honour. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org