I am runnign KOnCD that shipped with my SuSE 8.0 Professional. (1.0 rc2) I started KOnCD, it gave me a warning about enabling CD Writing and some security hole thing. I clicked OK. Then I drag a directory onto the Windows to make an iso image. When I click on the Calculate button as suggested in the manual that shipped with SuSE, I get an error: "could not start mkisofs!" With this, I have finally came to a conclusion that NOTHING in Linux wants to work with ease. EVERYTHING must force me to get help :-((( I spend weeks trying to convert DV to DIVX. Now that I figured it out by spending hours, here another problem :-((( I tried it both as su and regular user. Salman
So I figured out that you had to specify path to mkisofs explicitly in the setup box. Now that i did that, it crashes with SIG 11 (SEGSEV11) when I click START. Salman On Sunday 11 August 2002 21:03, Salman Khilji wrote:
I am runnign KOnCD that shipped with my SuSE 8.0 Professional. (1.0 rc2)
I started KOnCD, it gave me a warning about enabling CD Writing and some security hole thing. I clicked OK.
Then I drag a directory onto the Windows to make an iso image.
When I click on the Calculate button as suggested in the manual that shipped with SuSE, I get an error:
"could not start mkisofs!"
With this, I have finally came to a conclusion that NOTHING in Linux wants to work with ease. EVERYTHING must force me to get help :-((( I spend weeks trying to convert DV to DIVX. Now that I figured it out by spending hours, here another problem :-(((
I tried it both as su and regular user.
Salman
Hi ya Salman, yes there is a learning curve with Linux. Huge improvements have been made in its useability depite little help from hardware manufacurers and major software vendors. Autocad do not even think Linux is on the map. It is a do it yourself distro in many repects. You need time without pressure to learn the basics. Then you can move on to other things. It does not suit everyone, but if you are prepared to learn, the future is bright. Brian Marr On Monday 12 August 2002 13:44, Salman Khilji wrote:
So I figured out that you had to specify path to mkisofs explicitly in the setup box.
Now that i did that, it crashes with SIG 11 (SEGSEV11) when I click START.
Salman
On Sunday 11 August 2002 21:03, Salman Khilji wrote:
I am runnign KOnCD that shipped with my SuSE 8.0 Professional. (1.0 rc2)
I started KOnCD, it gave me a warning about enabling CD Writing and some security hole thing. I clicked OK.
Then I drag a directory onto the Windows to make an iso image.
When I click on the Calculate button as suggested in the manual that shipped with SuSE, I get an error:
"could not start mkisofs!"
With this, I have finally came to a conclusion that NOTHING in Linux wants to work with ease. EVERYTHING must force me to get help :-((( I spend weeks trying to convert DV to DIVX. Now that I figured it out by spending hours, here another problem :-(((
I tried it both as su and regular user.
Salman
Salman, Brian is correct in that if you take the time, Linux will reward your efforts with much computer happiness. In your quest for cd writing nivana, you might want to try some of the other programs available as I have found most all of them very much easier to use. KreateCD or XCDRoast or the new one K3b! They seem, to me at least, to be very much better at everything concerning cd burning. You should probably be sure your user is a member of the "disk" group also, but I think you will find the other programs better for what you want to do. Patrick ------------------------------- On Sunday 11 August 2002 22:44, Brian Marr wrote:
Hi ya Salman, yes there is a learning curve with Linux. Huge improvements have been made in its useability depite little help from hardware manufacurers and major software vendors. Autocad do not even think Linux is on the map. It is a do it yourself distro in many repects. You need time without pressure to learn the basics. Then you can move on to other things. It does not suit everyone, but if you are prepared to learn, the future is bright. Brian Marr
On Monday 12 August 2002 13:44, Salman Khilji wrote:
So I figured out that you had to specify path to mkisofs explicitly in the setup box.
Now that i did that, it crashes with SIG 11 (SEGSEV11) when I click START.
Salman
On Sunday 11 August 2002 21:03, Salman Khilji wrote:
I am runnign KOnCD that shipped with my SuSE 8.0 Professional. (1.0 rc2)
I started KOnCD, it gave me a warning about enabling CD Writing and some security hole thing. I clicked OK.
Then I drag a directory onto the Windows to make an iso image.
When I click on the Calculate button as suggested in the manual that shipped with SuSE, I get an error:
"could not start mkisofs!"
With this, I have finally came to a conclusion that NOTHING in Linux wants to work with ease. EVERYTHING must force me to get help :-((( I spend weeks trying to convert DV to DIVX. Now that I figured it out by spending hours, here another problem :-(((
I tried it both as su and regular user.
Salman
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There is one disappointing aspect to open-source community. Everyone seems to be doing their own thing. There is no unity. For example, look at Zip/Unzip software, we have LnxZip, Karchiver, ark and many more, NONE of which is as powerful and as professional looking as WinZip on Windows (at least in my opinion). Have you tried any of them unzipping/zipping a very large file?? File comparing tools (like xdiff, Kompare) all of them fall WAY behind when compared to a tool like Beyond Compare on Windows. We have the same problem in CD creating software and pretty much in everything else. Programmers for some reason don't like existing projects and like to start their own. If they would rather have contributed to the existing projects than to start new ones creating 10 different apps to basically do the same thing, Linux would be somewhere else than it is where right now. I would much rather see ONE desktop environment---KDE or gnome. Not both. And have the development effort of the other contribute towards ONE environment. Can you imagine where KDE would be today if all the man powr and resources that went into gnome were diverted towards contrinuting to KDE? (and vice versa!) I kinda would like to compare with the UNITED States of America. Why is it so strong? Because of the word UNITED. You can imagine what would happend if all the 50 (51 or 52???) states were to split into their own countries and do their own thing. In this light, I support the UNITED Linux approach whether Mandrake likes it or not. I would much rather prefer that companies like RedHat and many others combine their efforts into ONE Kick-butt Linux distribution rather than 50 different ones that all have little quirks here and there and try to save themselves behind the curtain of not having enough man power and resources. On Sunday 11 August 2002 20:43, Patrick wrote:
Salman, Brian is correct in that if you take the time, Linux will reward your efforts with much computer happiness. In your quest for cd writing nivana, you might want to try some of the other programs available as I have found most all of them very much easier to use. KreateCD or XCDRoast or the new one K3b! They seem, to me at least, to be very much better at everything concerning cd burning. You should probably be sure your user is a member of the "disk" group also, but I think you will find the other programs better for what you want to do.
Patrick
On Monday 12 August 2002 14:57, Salman Khilji wrote:
There is one disappointing aspect to open-source community. Everyone seems to be doing their own thing. There is no unity.
Is there any unity in Windows?
For example, look at Zip/Unzip software, we have LnxZip, Karchiver, ark and many more, NONE of which is as powerful and as professional looking as WinZip on Windows (at least in my opinion). Have you tried any of them unzipping/zipping a very large file??
DOS has been around for 25 years (is it 25?) And Windows as DOS suplement has been around for 15 years (is it 15?) So, it's not strange to see that most Windows program were more mature than Linux program. What can considered strange is to see Linux program more mature than windows counterpart. I don't know how old WinZip is, but I believe it must be older than any Linux compresion software.
File comparing tools (like xdiff, Kompare) all of them fall WAY behind when compared to a tool like Beyond Compare on Windows.
Beside age, windows program face more audiance than Linux program. They could have more profit, so they have more programmer. This will change... if Linux and Linux program can reach certain easiness, many joe-user will folk to Linux beacuse the price.
Programmers for some reason don't like existing projects and like to start their own. If they would rather have contributed to the existing projects than to start new ones creating 10 different apps to basically do the same thing, Linux would be somewhere else than it is where right now.
Before I'm using Linux, I use BeOS, and they have the same idea. They make the BeUnited (http://www.beunited.org). <sniped>
At least one thing that I like about Linux apps (the ones that work) is that they usually are not cluttered with Zillions and gazillions of options. Pretty much each and every Windows application nowadays has 100,348,3339 options cluttering the menus, toolbar buttons and make it confusing for a newbie to use the applications. My wife downloaded a few recipe managment software for Windows and complained that every single one of them was very hard to use. I thought GUIs were supposed to make your life easier. But those foolish Windows programmers for whatever reason thought that it would be better to show off their programming skills and put just about any widget (or control) and any type of menu on the screen that exists in the tool box. In this respect, some of the KDE software (yeah---I am KDE fan) is really good with usability aspect. I don' t have to read a 100 page manual to know how ot use the app (although compiling from source if you have have an rpm available could be a frustrating nightmare sometimes). Salman
Dear Salman, If you think that this is a fault, write to the programmers with a polite documented request that this point be fixed. Chances are that very quickly a new version will be issued with that point taken in. You will then have the opportunity to replace the previous version for free. The diversity of Linux is its strength. You are not compelled to use one tool or distribution. What you are calling for is a command economy like what exists under the control of the Central Committee (i.e. the board of M$), rather than a diverse market economy. The point is that nobody has a monopoly of virtue: let the evolutionary process continue. The bugs and usability problems will get sorted out with contributions from the user base. I started using Linux in late 1998. To be frank, the graphic interfaces and desktops then available were - to be kind - weak. The progress made over the last few years has been amazing - far faster than any commercial effort would have produced - not to mention the reduced cost! In terms of decompressing I always use the command line utilities like zip and gunzip. Unzip handles a 12 MB file without complaining. You may not be aware, but many graphical tools are just front-ends for the command line utilities which are stable and in many cases have not changed for years. Combining command line applications through piping produces facilities of awsome power - and what is more - they can be tailored to provide exactly your needs. Yours sincerely Basil Fowler sOn Monday 12 Aug 2002 07:57, Salman Khilji wrote:
There is one disappointing aspect to open-source community. Everyone seems to be doing their own thing. There is no unity.
For example, look at Zip/Unzip software, we have LnxZip, Karchiver, ark and many more, NONE of which is as powerful and as professional looking as WinZip on Windows (at least in my opinion). Have you tried any of them unzipping/zipping a very large file??
File comparing tools (like xdiff, Kompare) all of them fall WAY behind when compared to a tool like Beyond Compare on Windows.
We have the same problem in CD creating software and pretty much in everything else.
Programmers for some reason don't like existing projects and like to start their own. If they would rather have contributed to the existing projects than to start new ones creating 10 different apps to basically do the same thing, Linux would be somewhere else than it is where right now.
I would much rather see ONE desktop environment---KDE or gnome. Not both. And have the development effort of the other contribute towards ONE environment. Can you imagine where KDE would be today if all the man powr and resources that went into gnome were diverted towards contrinuting to KDE? (and vice versa!)
I kinda would like to compare with the UNITED States of America. Why is it so strong? Because of the word UNITED. You can imagine what would happend if all the 50 (51 or 52???) states were to split into their own countries and do their own thing.
In this light, I support the UNITED Linux approach whether Mandrake likes it or not. I would much rather prefer that companies like RedHat and many others combine their efforts into ONE Kick-butt Linux distribution rather than 50 different ones that all have little quirks here and there and try to save themselves behind the curtain of not having enough man power and resources.
Yeah, I used to believe the same thing. You fire up X and every
application has a different look: this one uses athena widgets, the
other one is build with motif and yet another one uses xforms. What a
mess! Wouldn't it be nice if all the applications were well integrated
and uniform?
Well, no! And here's why:
Having a zillion libraries and widgets to choose from, and a zillion
applications which serve the same purpose (CD burning, to use an example
at hand) gives you the freedom of chioce, and I believe this freedom is
one of the most important advantages of the open source. The user is not
forced to choose one piece of software. If he doesn't like it, there are
always alternatives. Or, if there is nothig to suit him / her, (s)he can
write another application, to suit his/her own needs.
You propose that programmers should concentrate all their efforts toward
developing unique applications. Indeed, if everybody worked on KDE or
Gnome, they might be better, faster, with less bugs, etc. But there
would be no alternatives. I myself like KDE, but I still have the
choice to use, say, blackbox as the window manager on an older and
slower computer, since that is less bloated with eye-candies and hence
runs faster.
You seem to be a KDE person youself. Think about it this way: What if
you hated KDE really bad and it was the ONLY desktop environment
available? No Gnome and no other window managers. How would you feel
then about "united" software?
What "united" means is "uniform". All computers running the same
software, looking the same and giving you no freedom of choice. This is
what the Windows world has achieved. On the other hand, the open-source
community lets you use what you think is best for you, not what some big
corporation wants you to use.
This is what it boils down to: uniformity vs. individuality. Being
ordered what to do vs. having the freedom to do what you want to.
The "uniform" approach seems to me like a communist
utopia, where there is no individuality, all people look the same and
think the same. Well, I'd rather have anarchy, if this gives me the
freedom to be myself.
Well, at least this is what I think. And perhaps freedom of choice also
means freedom to choose uniformity, if one feels inclined to do so. We
all should do what we want to.
(Just my personal thoughts on the matter, I don't want to offend anybody
or start any flame-war here)
Oh, and speaking on how much "better" the Windows software is, I can
burn my CDs with Xcdroast at 8x (the maximum speed my burner supports)
but with Nero, under Windows, I can only go up to 4x if I don't want my
CDs to go directly in the trash bin. So...
Personally, I've always had good results with Xcdroast, so can I suggest
you give it a try? Looks a bit counterintuitive at first, but once you
get the hang of it, it's really cool.
Best,
Florin
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:57:36 -0700
Salman Khilji
There is one disappointing aspect to open-source community. Everyone seems to be doing their own thing. There is no unity.
For example, look at Zip/Unzip software, we have LnxZip, Karchiver, ark and many more, NONE of which is as powerful and as professional looking as WinZip on Windows (at least in my opinion). Have you tried any of them unzipping/zipping a very large file??
File comparing tools (like xdiff, Kompare) all of them fall WAY behind when compared to a tool like Beyond Compare on Windows.
We have the same problem in CD creating software and pretty much in everything else.
Programmers for some reason don't like existing projects and like to start their own. If they would rather have contributed to the existing projects than to start new ones creating 10 different apps to basically do the same thing, Linux would be somewhere else than it is where right now.
I would much rather see ONE desktop environment---KDE or gnome. Not both. And have the development effort of the other contribute towards ONE environment. Can you imagine where KDE would be today if all the man powr and resources that went into gnome were diverted towards contrinuting to KDE? (and vice versa!)
I kinda would like to compare with the UNITED States of America. Why is it so strong? Because of the word UNITED. You can imagine what would happend if all the 50 (51 or 52???) states were to split into their own countries and do their own thing.
In this light, I support the UNITED Linux approach whether Mandrake likes it or not. I would much rather prefer that companies like RedHat and many others combine their efforts into ONE Kick-butt Linux distribution rather than 50 different ones that all have little quirks here and there and try to save themselves behind the curtain of not having enough man power and resources.
On Monday 12 August 2002 17:45, Florin Oprina wrote:
What "united" means is "uniform". All computers running the same software, looking the same and giving you no freedom of choice. This is what the Windows world has achieved. On the other hand, the open-source community lets you use what you think is best for you, not what some big corporation wants you to use.
This is what it boils down to: uniformity vs. individuality. Being ordered what to do vs. having the freedom to do what you want to.
The "uniform" approach seems to me like a communist utopia, where there is no individuality, all people look the same and think the same. Well, I'd rather have anarchy, if this gives me the freedom to be myself.
Well, at least this is what I think. And perhaps freedom of choice also means freedom to choose uniformity, if one feels inclined to do so. We all should do what we want to.
(Just my personal thoughts on the matter, I don't want to offend anybody or start any flame-war here)
I don't want to start flame-war either... and please forgive me, this is not anti-american sentiment. I just want to point out that you said MS looks like communist. The funny thing is, here in asia, we said that: Windows is looks like american, always force other they own thought. Always try to make their own rule and force other to follow. Well, we don't say that linux is communist, we feel that Linux is something like the world project, the UN. And we (asian) just point out that MS looks like american since it's an american company. it's the UN against US things. EOF.
There is one disappointing aspect to open-source community. Everyone seems to be doing their own thing. There is no unity. ---------------------------------- Salman, I don't usually do a message this way as it is difficult to keep up with, but I thought each one of your concerns or complaints needed attending to individually. True, everyone is doing their own thing and
For example, look at Zip/Unzip software, we have LnxZip, Karchiver, ark and many more, NONE of which is as powerful and as professional looking as WinZip on Windows (at least in my opinion). Have you tried any of them unzipping/zipping a very large file?? -------------------------------- I can't say that I have ever used any easier or better zip/unzip tools
File comparing tools (like xdiff, Kompare) all of them fall WAY behind when compared to a tool like Beyond Compare on Windows. ---------------------------- When someone first alerted me to the ability to compare files and such in Linux, I thought, what a useful utility! Very handy and works very well. Until you mentioned that Windows had one, I didn't know there was such a thing there! That's another sign of unity in Linux, the
We have the same problem in CD creating software and pretty much in everything else. -------------------------------- CD burning software in Linux is some of the best I have ever used, bar none! Everything I have tried to use in Windows just drives me crazy
Programmers for some reason don't like existing projects and like to start their own. If they would rather have contributed to the existing projects than to start new ones creating 10 different apps to basically do the same thing, Linux would be somewhere else than it is where right now. -------------------------------- Nobody uses software in the same manner or with the same thoughts. That is why new programs are created. Would you stop the creative thoughts of car makers and have everyone make the same car? It would be a
I would much rather see ONE desktop environment---KDE or gnome. Not both. And have the development effort of the other contribute towards ONE environment. Can you imagine where KDE would be today if all the man powr and resources that went into gnome were diverted towards contrinuting to KDE? (and vice versa!) ----------------------- Why one? Would you take away our freedom to choose what each of us
On Monday 12 August 2002 03:57, Salman Khilji wrote: that is actually very good or we wouldn't have so many programs to choose from and more coming. There is no unity in your mind, yet very much in mine. All the developers are working in unity to bring us the best programs available for an OS, Linux. The LSB provides a common way to set up Linux, so that whatever works here, works there the same way. United Linux brings us a common and uniform large scale Linux, so that businesses and IT workers have a common simplified way of doing things no matter who they purchase their Linux from. ==================== than on Linux. I have used several in Windows and even find unzipping in a console in Linux to be superior and more desirable! ====================== people that use it willing and ready to help the new guy learn & understand things too. ================================= trying to figure out the pattern. Windows has never been an intuitive OS, nor the programs built for it as nothing follows any logic there. If you complain about the software before trying other programs available to you, then it is unlikely you will get a good view of what is available to you in Linux. =============================== pretty dull world if you did. New programs are usually created out of necessity by a developer. The need to add things, to do them in a more logical manner to them or create something that doesn't exist. This is another of the freedoms that exist in Linux for us users. The freedom of choice of the program that best suits our needs & likes. ======================== like? That's like the laws in the USA about seat belts and motorcycle helmet laws! Maybe they are good things, maybe they aren't, but it should be each individual's choice to make, not someone else's decision for us! If you don't like the ability to choose what best suits you, then maybe you are not ready for Linux? Maybe you need to stay in the Windows or MacOS's safe little world where you have no choice. =======================
I kinda would like to compare with the UNITED States of America. Why is it so strong? Because of the word UNITED. You can imagine what would happend if all the 50 (51 or 52???) states were to split into their own countries and do their own thing. ----------------------------------- I think in bringing up the word united, you also have to bring up the word choice also. The USA is united, in that it started out being united to give the people freedom of choice. Not united in that one belief, one way of doing things was freedom of any kind. If any of the 50 states wanted to be their own country, they have the freedom to do so. United doesn't mean dictatorship, like M$ puts us under with Windows. Step back a minute and really think about the two and then decide which really gives you more & more freedom. I think you'll agree Linux wins, hands down. If not, then maybe you aren't ready for Linux yet? ====================== Regards, Patrick -- --- KMail v1.4.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Amiga, SuSE Linux, PC Sales & Service Magic Page Products
trying to figure out the pattern. Windows has never been an intuitive OS, nor the programs built for it as nothing follows any logic there. If you complain about the software before trying other programs
At leat I agree with you here. I spent awful lot of time to figure out the so called EASY CD Creator. Yeah right. What a shame for the word Easy. so. United doesn't mean dictatorship, like M$ puts us under with
Windows. Step back a minute and really think about the two and then decide which really gives you more & more freedom. I think you'll agree Linux wins, hands down. If not, then maybe you aren't ready for Linux yet?
And yup. The M$ dictatorship is what brought me to Linux! Mr Gates may stop distributing licenses of Visual Studio 6 and force everyone to upgrade to .NET, but who cares! I am still using XEmacs/gdb/gcc and will upgrade at my own choice and the time comes Salman
I was about to post an email just on this very same
problem when I saw your questions.
I tried hitting the calculate size button and I got
an error cannot compute size... I tried burning
without
first calculating size and I think it seg faulted...
Seems it is worthless it you have to spend SOOOOOO
much
time figuring things out.
Does this modules actually work? Is it working for
anyone? I am running 8.0 also.
Babu
--- Patrick
Salman, Brian is correct in that if you take the time, Linux will reward your efforts with much computer happiness. In your quest for cd writing nivana, you might want to try some of the other programs available as I have found most all of them very much easier to use. KreateCD or XCDRoast or the new one K3b! They seem, to me at least, to be very much better at everything concerning cd burning. You should probably be sure your user is a member of the "disk" group also, but I think you will find the other programs better for what you want to do.
Patrick -------------------------------
Hi ya Salman, yes there is a learning curve with Linux. Huge improvements have been made in its useability depite little help from hardware manufacurers and major software vendors. Autocad do not even think Linux is on the map. It is a do it yourself distro in many repects. You need time without pressure to learn
can move on to other things. It does not suit everyone, but if you are prepared to learn, the future is bright. Brian Marr
On Monday 12 August 2002 13:44, Salman Khilji wrote:
So I figured out that you had to specify path to mkisofs explicitly in the setup box.
Now that i did that, it crashes with SIG 11 (SEGSEV11) when I click START.
Salman
On Sunday 11 August 2002 21:03, Salman Khilji wrote:
I am runnign KOnCD that shipped with my SuSE 8.0 Professional. (1.0 rc2)
I started KOnCD, it gave me a warning about enabling CD Writing and some security hole thing. I clicked OK.
Then I drag a directory onto the Windows to make an iso image.
When I click on the Calculate button as suggested in the manual that shipped with SuSE, I get an error:
"could not start mkisofs!"
With this, I have finally came to a conclusion
On Sunday 11 August 2002 22:44, Brian Marr wrote: the basics. Then you that NOTHING in
Linux wants to work with ease. EVERYTHING must force me to get help :-((( I spend weeks trying to convert DV to DIVX. Now that I figured it out by spending hours, here another problem :-(((
I tried it both as su and regular user.
Salman
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Like I said before, you have to go configure KonCD manually. 1) From Tools choose KOnCD Setup. 2) Select the paths Tab. 3) Enter the paths to the command line executable that KOnCD uses. In my case everything was under /usr/bin/. 4) To get rid of the seg fault make sure that you select a file system. In my case I selected Windows 95/NT. Worked like a charm after that. Salman On Monday 12 August 2002 11:13, babu walad wrote:
I was about to post an email just on this very same problem when I saw your questions.
I tried hitting the calculate size button and I got an error cannot compute size... I tried burning without first calculating size and I think it seg faulted...
Seems it is worthless it you have to spend SOOOOOO much time figuring things out.
Does this modules actually work? Is it working for anyone? I am running 8.0 also.
Babu
Anyways, I fixed the problem. The reason KOnCD was crashign that I did not select a file system for my CD. I would expect a professional tools to give me some message box telling me that I had not selected a file system instead of crashing blatantly. Now is that a user error or not?? Perhaps not in my opinion. Salman
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