[opensuse] 12.1 OK, how do I switch back to if-up control

Bruce Ferrell

20 Nov 2011 20 Nov '11

04:25

Hi all, Not trying to throw jet fuel on a fire, but when I switch to runlevel 3, I have no active network anymore. It "looks" like systemd configure itself to whatever is running at upgrade time and if you don't have a gui environment, you're kind of screwed. there doesn't seem to be a way to re-configure to if-up. I would *really* like a choice between systemd and traditional init. I much prefer system-v. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Ken Schneider - openSUSE

20 Nov 20 Nov

04:33

On 11/19/2011 11:25 PM, Bruce Ferrell pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Hi all,

Not trying to throw jet fuel on a fire, but when I switch to runlevel 3, I have no active network anymore.

It "looks" like systemd configure itself to whatever is running at upgrade time and if you don't have a gui environment, you're kind of screwed. there doesn't seem to be a way to re-configure to if-up.

I would *really* like a choice between systemd and traditional init. I much prefer system-v.

The option is under "F3" at boot time. Once booted delete systemd package. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider - openSUSE

12:41

On 11/19/2011 11:33 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 11/19/2011 11:25 PM, Bruce Ferrell pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Hi all,

Not trying to throw jet fuel on a fire, but when I switch to runlevel 3, I have no active network anymore.

It "looks" like systemd configure itself to whatever is running at upgrade time and if you don't have a gui environment, you're kind of screwed. there doesn't seem to be a way to re-configure to if-up.

I would *really* like a choice between systemd and traditional init. I much prefer system-v.

The option is under "F3" at boot time. Once booted delete systemd package.

Sorry about that it is under "F5" at boot time. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bruce Ferrell

21 Nov 21 Nov

01:55

On 11/19/2011 08:33 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On 11/19/2011 11:25 PM, Bruce Ferrell pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Hi all,

Not trying to throw jet fuel on a fire, but when I switch to runlevel 3, I have no active network anymore.

It "looks" like systemd configure itself to whatever is running at upgrade time and if you don't have a gui environment, you're kind of screwed. there doesn't seem to be a way to re-configure to if-up.

I would *really* like a choice between systemd and traditional init. I much prefer system-v.

The option is under "F3" at boot time. Once booted delete systemd package.

Ummm... Hi All... I'm back. It's actually under F5 and the advice to uninstall the systemd package is not too swift... It removes cron, wpa_supplicant and oh yeah, Xorg. Yes, the system boots, but it's no fun to get running again. So... Lets try this again, how do I change the default from systemd to system V init, given that I can't remove systemd without gutting my system? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

03:22

Bruce Ferrell wrote:

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On 11/19/2011 11:25 PM, Bruce Ferrell pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Hi all,

Not trying to throw jet fuel on a fire, but when I switch to runlevel 3, I have no active network anymore.

It "looks" like systemd configure itself to whatever is running at upgrade time and if you don't have a gui environment, you're kind of screwed. there doesn't seem to be a way to re-configure to if-up.

I would *really* like a choice between systemd and traditional init. I much prefer system-v.

The option is under "F3" at boot time. Once booted delete systemd

On 11/19/2011 08:33 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote: package.

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Ummm... Hi All... I'm back. It's actually under F5 and the advice to uninstall the systemd package is not too swift... It removes cron, wpa_supplicant and oh yeah, Xorg. Yes, the system boots, but it's no fun to get running again. So... Lets try this again, how do I change the default from systemd to system V init, given that I can't remove systemd without gutting my system?

-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bruce, Edit the grub entry to have init=/sbin/sysvinit on it. (this is from memory, so do google search to make sure I have it exactly right.) Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bruce Ferrell

05:28

On 11/20/2011 07:22 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Bruce Ferrell wrote:

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On 11/19/2011 11:25 PM, Bruce Ferrell pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Hi all,

Not trying to throw jet fuel on a fire, but when I switch to runlevel 3, I have no active network anymore. It "looks" like systemd configure itself to whatever is running at upgrade time and if you don't have a gui environment, you're kind of screwed. there doesn't seem to be a way to re-configure to if-up.

I would *really* like a choice between systemd and traditional init. I much prefer system-v.

The option is under "F3" at boot time. Once booted delete systemd

On 11/19/2011 08:33 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote: package. Ummm... Hi All... I'm back. It's actually under F5 and the advice to uninstall the systemd package is not too swift... It removes cron, wpa_supplicant and oh yeah, Xorg. Yes, the system boots, but it's no fun to get running again. So... Lets try this again, how do I change the default from systemd to system V init, given that I can't remove systemd without gutting my system?

-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org Bruce,

Edit the grub entry to have init=/sbin/sysvinit on it.

(this is from memory, so do google search to make sure I have it exactly right.)

Greg

Good suggestion and I'll try it when I can spare some down time in case it goes very sour. But I will say, that since F5 on the boot screen has a DEFAULT, it doesn't "feel" like the right way to do it. There should be a way to make DEFAULT do what I want. hehe I said should. I know better. That said, this "should" have been a choice like the one between sendmail and postfix. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

05:39

On 2011/11/20 21:28 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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On 11/20/2011 07:22 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Bruce Ferrell wrote:

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how do I change the default from systemd to system V init, given that I can't remove systemd without gutting my system?

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Edit the grub entry to have init=/sbin/sysvinit on it.

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(this is from memory, so do google search to make sure I have it exactly right.)

While that works, it isn't a "default" as most would define it.

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There should be a way to make DEFAULT do what I want.

Answered correctly before Greg's reply: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-11/msg00904.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bruce Ferrell

06:02

On 11/20/2011 09:39 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/11/20 21:28 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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On 11/20/2011 07:22 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Bruce Ferrell wrote:

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how do I change the default from systemd to system V init, given that I can't remove systemd without gutting my system?

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Edit the grub entry to have init=/sbin/sysvinit on it.

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(this is from memory, so do google search to make sure I have it exactly right.)

While that works, it isn't a "default" as most would define it.

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There should be a way to make DEFAULT do what I want.

Answered correctly before Greg's reply: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-11/msg00904.html

Thank you very much for playing the game, but no Felix, that is NOT correct. It merely make system V init available. It dos NOT make it default. I know, I tried it just today. Per the posts I received, I installed that, removed systemd and removing systemd removed numerous packages as systemd was marked as a requirement for them. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

06:25

On 2011/11/20 22:02 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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On 11/20/2011 09:39 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/11/20 21:28 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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There should be a way to make DEFAULT do what I want.

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Answered correctly before Greg's reply: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-11/msg00904.html

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Thank you very much for playing the game, but no Felix, that is NOT correct. It merely make system V init available. It dos NOT make it default. I know, I tried it just today. Per the posts I received, I installed that, removed systemd and removing systemd removed numerous packages as systemd was marked as a requirement for them.

I didn't write anything about removing anything, only installing. What I wrote worked here on about a dozen systems, but not by removing _any_ of *systemd*. AFAICT, sysvinit-init does nothing _except_ make sysvinit the default. From the rpm: "Summary: Provides /sbin/init for sysvinit; Description: Just some symlinks." -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bruce Ferrell

06:33

On 11/20/2011 10:25 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/11/20 22:02 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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On 11/20/2011 09:39 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/11/20 21:28 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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There should be a way to make DEFAULT do what I want.

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Answered correctly before Greg's reply: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-11/msg00904.html

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Thank you very much for playing the game, but no Felix, that is NOT correct. It merely make system V init available. It dos NOT make it default. I know, I tried it just today. Per the posts I received, I installed that, removed systemd and removing systemd removed numerous packages as systemd was marked as a requirement for them.

I didn't write anything about removing anything, only installing. What I wrote worked here on about a dozen systems, but not by removing _any_ of *systemd*. AFAICT, sysvinit-init does nothing _except_ make sysvinit the default. From the rpm: "Summary: Provides /sbin/init for sysvinit; Description: Just some symlinks."

Felix, I installed the package indicated by someone else, NOT you, and rebooted. systemd controlled the boot. Then I removed systemd as was suggested by someone else. This gutted my system. At no time did I say that you had suggested this actions. I did say that your information was... inaccurate. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Luedecke

06:42

On Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:33:16 PM Bruce Ferrell wrote:

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At no time did I say that you had suggested this actions. I did say that your information was... inaccurate. So you gutted your system as you knew would happen, then DIDNT try what he said (which would have been less painful had he been wrong) and say he is wrong? Seems rather silly doesn't it? -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bruce Ferrell

07:11

On 11/20/2011 10:42 PM, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:33:16 PM Bruce Ferrell wrote:

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At no time did I say that you had suggested this actions. I did say that your information was... inaccurate. So you gutted your system as you knew would happen, then DIDNT try what he said (which would have been less painful had he been wrong) and say he is wrong? Seems rather silly doesn't it? No actually, I didn't know it would happen. Following this information from Ken Schneider:

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-11/msg00910.html

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The option is under "F3" at boot time. Once booted delete systemd package. Sorry about that it is under "F5" at boot time.

So... No so far out, no? And not so diplomatic for an ambassador. Is that title you sign with something "quasi" official? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Peter Nikolic

09:04

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On 11/20/2011 10:42 PM, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:33:16 PM Bruce Ferrell wrote:

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At no time did I say that you had suggested this actions. I did say that your information was... inaccurate.

So you gutted your system as you knew would happen, then DIDNT try what he said (which would have been less painful had he been wrong) and say he is wrong? Seems rather silly doesn't it?

No actually, I didn't know it would happen. Following this information from Ken Schneider:

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-11/msg00910.html

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The option is under "F3" at boot time. Once booted delete systemd package. Sorry about that it is under "F5" at boot time.

So... No so far out, no? And not so diplomatic for an ambassador. Is that title you sign with something "quasi" official? +1

On Monday 21 November 2011 07:11:13 Bruce Ferrell wrote: pete -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.10-0.4-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.6.5 (4.6.5) "release 7" 09:04 up 6 days 11:22, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

06:55

On 2011/11/20 22:33 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/11/20 22:02 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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Thank you very much for playing the game, but no Felix, that is NOT correct. It merely make system V init available. It dos NOT make it default. I know, I tried it just today. Per the posts I received, I installed that, removed systemd and removing systemd removed numerous packages as systemd was marked as a requirement for them.

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I didn't write anything about removing anything, only installing. What I wrote worked here on about a dozen systems, but not by removing _any_ of *systemd*. AFAICT, sysvinit-init does nothing _except_ make sysvinit the default. From the rpm: "Summary: Provides /sbin/init for sysvinit; Description: Just some symlinks."

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Felix, I installed the package indicated by someone else, NOT you, and rebooted. systemd controlled the boot. Then I removed systemd as was suggested by someone else. This gutted my system. At no time did I say that you had suggested this actions. I did say that your information was... inaccurate.

It worked as advertised on a dozen or so systems here. How many did it fail for you for? Are you sure there wasn't also something else wrong from your previous attempts to get "rid" of systemd? I went through something like what you described up thread back in the M3-M5 devel period. When I quit trying to eliminate systemd by removing stuff, I was rid of systemd control of the init process, perfectly reverted to sysvinit AFAICT. Let's see: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=723041#c1 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727092 Whaddayaknow, it's in the relnotes: http://www.suse.de/relnotes/i386/openSUSE/12.1/RELEASE-NOTES.en.html#12 Seems my response was quite accurate. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bruce Ferrell

06:40

On 11/20/2011 10:25 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/11/20 22:02 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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On 11/20/2011 09:39 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/11/20 21:28 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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There should be a way to make DEFAULT do what I want.

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Answered correctly before Greg's reply: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2011-11/msg00904.html

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Thank you very much for playing the game, but no Felix, that is NOT correct. It merely make system V init available. It dos NOT make it default. I know, I tried it just today. Per the posts I received, I installed that, removed systemd and removing systemd removed numerous packages as systemd was marked as a requirement for them.

I didn't write anything about removing anything, only installing. What I wrote worked here on about a dozen systems, but not by removing _any_ of *systemd*. AFAICT, sysvinit-init does nothing _except_ make sysvinit the default. From the rpm: "Summary: Provides /sbin/init for sysvinit; Description: Just some symlinks." In fact this is the actual info output:

rpm -qi sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.i586 Name : sysvinit Version : 2.88+ Release : 66.58.2 Architecture: i586 Install Date: Thu 10 Nov 2011 08:27:27 AM PST Group : System/Base Size : 39472 License : GPLv2+ Signature : RSA/SHA256, Sat 29 Oct 2011 07:13:53 AM PDT, Key ID b88b2fd43dbdc284 Source RPM : sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.src.rpm Build Date : Sat 29 Oct 2011 07:13:28 AM PDT Build Host : build33 Relocations : (not relocatable) Packager : http://bugs.opensuse.org Vendor : openSUSE URL : http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/sysvinit/ Summary : SysV-Style init Description : System V style init programs by Miquel van Smoorenburg that control the booting and shutdown of your system. These support a number of system runlevels, each one associated with a specific set of utilities. For example, the normal system runlevel is 3, which starts a getty on virtual consoles tty1-tty6. Runlevel 5 starts xdm. Runlevel 0 shuts down the system. See the individual man pages for inittab, initscript, halt, init, powerd, reboot, runlevel, shutdown, and telinit for more information. Distribution: openSUSE 12.1 Odd... I don't see anything that says "Just some symlinks". What are you looking at? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

07:02

On 2011/11/20 22:40 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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rpm -qi sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.i586

Wrong RPM.

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Odd... I don't see anything that says "Just some symlinks". What are you looking at?

I entered http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/repo/oss/suse/i586/sysvinit-i... with MC and hit F3 with HEADER highlighted. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bruce Ferrell

07:56

On 11/20/2011 11:02 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/11/20 22:40 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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rpm -qi sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.i586

Wrong RPM.

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Odd... I don't see anything that says "Just some symlinks". What are you looking at?

I entered http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/repo/oss/suse/i586/sysvinit-i... with MC and hit F3 with HEADER highlighted. Felix,

I see no need for this to be some sort of pissing contest. rpm -qpi http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/repo/oss/suse/i586/sysvinit-i... Name : sysvinit-init Version : 2.88+ Release : 66.58.2 Architecture: i586 Install Date: (not installed) Group : System/Base Size : 57916 License : GPLv2+ Signature : RSA/SHA256, Sat 29 Oct 2011 07:13:55 AM PDT, Key ID b88b2fd43dbdc284 Source RPM : sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.src.rpm Build Date : Sat 29 Oct 2011 07:13:28 AM PDT Build Host : build33 Relocations : (not relocatable) Packager : http://bugs.opensuse.org Vendor : openSUSE URL : http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/sysvinit/ Summary : Provides /sbin/init for sysvinit Description : Just some symlinks Distribution: openSUSE 12.1 Yes, it does say "just some symlinks" The actual information of the installed RPM ================================ rpm -qi sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.i586 Name : sysvinit Version : 2.88+ Release : 66.58.2 Architecture: i586 Install Date: Thu 10 Nov 2011 08:27:27 AM PST Group : System/Base Size : 39472 License : GPLv2+ Signature : RSA/SHA256, Sat 29 Oct 2011 07:13:53 AM PDT, Key ID b88b2fd43dbdc284 Source RPM : sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.src.rpm Build Date : Sat 29 Oct 2011 07:13:28 AM PDT Build Host : build33 Relocations : (not relocatable) Packager : http://bugs.opensuse.org Vendor : openSUSE URL : http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/sysvinit/ Summary : SysV-Style init Description : System V style init programs by Miquel van Smoorenburg that control the booting and shutdown of your system. These support a number of system runlevels, each one associated with a specific set of utilities. For example, the normal system runlevel is 3, which starts a getty on virtual consoles tty1-tty6. Runlevel 5 starts xdm. Runlevel 0 shuts down the system. See the individual man pages for inittab, initscript, halt, init, powerd, reboot, runlevel, shutdown, and telinit for more information. Distribution: openSUSE 12.1 The version matches, the release info matches, buildhost matches. build time matches. Mine came off the DVD. Why the info doesn't match is not for me to say. This type of work is what I do, day in and day out... Chasing bugs and fielding customer complaints. If the release notes say it, and it doesn't actually work that way -ever- then the cause should be found, not look to the reporter as the cause and treat them like an idiot... which I am NOT. My first Linux install was in 1993 using Yggdrasil. Then Slackware a few months later. Redhat for the job came in 2002 and Suse 2005. I've been at this a very long time. There were no other packages removed prior to removing systemd. The system got into the state is was in, at the time using zypper dup. Only 12.1 repositories were enabled. I just fought a battle internally and won as to why my companies products should support Suse. I'm praying the mess that 12.1 seems to be, get's cleaned up before my customers start installing it. Otherwise my company looks stupid, I look stupid and Suse loses credibility. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

08:12

On 2011/11/20 23:56 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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rpm -qi sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.i586

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Wrong RPM.

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I entered http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/repo/oss/suse/i586/sysvinit-i... with MC and hit F3 with HEADER highlighted.

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rpm -qpi http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/repo/oss/suse/i586/sysvinit-i... Name : sysvinit-init ... Summary : Provides /sbin/init for sysvinit Description : Just some symlinks Distribution: openSUSE 12.1

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Yes, it does say "just some symlinks"

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The actual information of the installed RPM ================================ rpm -qi sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.i586

sysvinit needs to be installed, to be sure, but it won't suffice on its own to make sysvinit the default. Systemd changed things - a lot.

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Name : sysvinit Summary : SysV-Style init Description : System V style init programs by Miquel van Smoorenburg that control the booting and shutdown of your system...

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The version matches, the release info matches, buildhost matches. build time matches. Mine came off the DVD. Why the info doesn't match is not for me to say.

Get some sleep?

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This type of work is what I do, day in and day out... Chasing bugs and fielding customer complaints. If the release notes say it, and it doesn't actually work that way -ever- then the cause

The release notes I read say sysvinit-init, not sysvinit, is required to usurp systemd as default.

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There were no other packages removed prior to removing systemd. The system got into the state is was in, at the time using zypper dup. Only 12.1 repositories were enabled.

So yours was a fresh install rather than a milestone or RC dup'd? Maybe try again fresh, and maybe select sysvinit-init during installation instead of installing it after installation is "done". -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

ianseeks

08:16

On Sunday 20 Nov 2011 23:56:26 Bruce Ferrell wrote:

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On 11/20/2011 11:02 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/11/20 22:40 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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rpm -qi sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.i586

Wrong RPM.

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Odd... I don't see anything that says "Just some symlinks". What are you looking at?> I entered http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/repo/oss/suse/i586/sysvi nit-init-2.88+-66.58.2.i586.rpm with MC and hit F3 with HEADER highlighted. Felix,

I see no need for this to be some sort of pissing contest.

I think you started the one sided "pissing contest" with comments like this "Thank you very much for playing the game" which is understood to mean - "i beat you, go away" Felix was being very helpful

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rpm -qpi http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/repo/oss/suse/i586/sysvinit- init-2.88+-66.58.2.i586.rpm Name : sysvinit-init Version : 2.88+ Release : 66.58.2 Architecture: i586 Install Date: (not installed) Group : System/Base Size : 57916 License : GPLv2+ Signature : RSA/SHA256, Sat 29 Oct 2011 07:13:55 AM PDT, Key ID b88b2fd43dbdc284 Source RPM : sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.src.rpm Build Date : Sat 29 Oct 2011 07:13:28 AM PDT Build Host : build33 Relocations : (not relocatable) Packager : http://bugs.opensuse.org Vendor : openSUSE URL : http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/sysvinit/ Summary : Provides /sbin/init for sysvinit Description : Just some symlinks Distribution: openSUSE 12.1

Yes, it does say "just some symlinks"

The actual information of the installed RPM ================================ rpm -qi sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.i586 Name : sysvinit Version : 2.88+ Release : 66.58.2 Architecture: i586 Install Date: Thu 10 Nov 2011 08:27:27 AM PST Group : System/Base Size : 39472 License : GPLv2+ Signature : RSA/SHA256, Sat 29 Oct 2011 07:13:53 AM PDT, Key ID b88b2fd43dbdc284 Source RPM : sysvinit-2.88+-66.58.2.src.rpm Build Date : Sat 29 Oct 2011 07:13:28 AM PDT Build Host : build33 Relocations : (not relocatable) Packager : http://bugs.opensuse.org Vendor : openSUSE URL : http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/sysvinit/ Summary : SysV-Style init Description : System V style init programs by Miquel van Smoorenburg that control the booting and shutdown of your system. These support a number of system runlevels, each one associated with a specific set of utilities. For example, the normal system runlevel is 3, which starts a getty on virtual consoles tty1-tty6. Runlevel 5 starts xdm. Runlevel 0 shuts down the system. See the individual man pages for inittab, initscript, halt, init, powerd, reboot, runlevel, shutdown, and telinit for more information. Distribution: openSUSE 12.1

The version matches, the release info matches, buildhost matches. build time matches. Mine came off the DVD. Why the info doesn't match is not for me to say.

This type of work is what I do, day in and day out... Chasing bugs and fielding customer complaints. If the release notes say it, and it doesn't actually work that way -ever- then the cause should be found, not look to the reporter as the cause and treat them like an idiot... which I am NOT. My first Linux install was in 1993 using Yggdrasil. Then Slackware a few months later. Redhat for the job came in 2002 and Suse 2005. I've been at this a very long time. There were no other packages removed prior to removing systemd. The system got into the state is was in, at the time using zypper dup. Only 12.1 repositories were enabled.

I just fought a battle internally and won as to why my companies products should support Suse. I'm praying the mess that 12.1 seems to be, get's cleaned up before my customers start installing it. Otherwise my company looks stupid, I look stupid and Suse loses credibility.

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Felix Miata

03:24

On 2011/11/20 17:55 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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Ummm... Hi All... I'm back. It's actually under F5 and the advice to uninstall the systemd package is not too swift... It removes cron, wpa_supplicant and oh yeah, Xorg. Yes, the system boots, but it's no fun to get running again. So... Lets try this again, how do I change the default from systemd to system V init, given that I can't remove systemd without gutting my system?

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Lars Müller

11:03

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:24:15PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/11/20 17:55 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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Ummm... Hi All... I'm back. It's actually under F5 and the advice to uninstall the systemd package is not too swift... It removes cron, wpa_supplicant and oh yeah, Xorg. Yes, the system boots, but it's no fun to get running again. So... Lets try this again, how do I change the default from systemd to system V init, given that I can't remove systemd without gutting my system?

'zypper in sysvinit-init'

And how does Felix know this? It's all documented but you guys don't read about the most annoying bugs. Doh. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Most_annoying_bugs_12.1 Life is hard and then you get back a rtfm ... ;) Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

Arun Khan

24 Dec 24 Dec

17:13

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Lars Müller wrote:

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:24:15PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/11/20 17:55 (GMT-0800) Bruce Ferrell composed:

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Ummm... Hi All... I'm back. It's actually under F5 and the advice to uninstall the systemd package is not too swift... It removes cron, wpa_supplicant and oh yeah, Xorg. Yes, the system boots, but it's no fun to get running again. So... Lets try this again, how do I change the default from systemd to system V init, given that I can't remove systemd without gutting my system?

'zypper in sysvinit-init'

And how does Felix know this? It's all documented but you guys don't read about the most annoying bugs. Doh.

http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Most_annoying_bugs_12.1

+1 I was about to post this link and I am glad I read the thread to the end :) I followed the instruction and switched my 12.1 fresh install to a Sys V init. -- Arun Khan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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