Hi, I'd like to change the identification of some of my browsers so that they pretend they run on MS-Windows. Has anybody tried it? The reason (which made me very angry) is the following reply from a bank:
The "Solo" web pages have been changed and I'm no longer able to fill in the "Registrera ny betalning" form. I've tried Netscape 4.78, Mozilla 0.9.4, Opera 6.0, Konqueror 2.2.2, ... browsers but none of them works. Can't it be fixed somehow?
We donŽt support Linux and that is why you canŽt register your payments. If you have any further questions about this, please call our internetsupport at 020-421516.
Best regards Nordea Bank Sverige AB (publ)
I even didn't mention I had tried it on Linux. The bank itself figured it out somehow. Having set up Opera so that it identifies itself as MSIE I'm able to do more on these pages but it's still not OK. Perhaps Netscape 4.78 pretending it runs on MS-Windows would do the job. -- Alexandr.Malusek@imv.liu.se
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 16.37, Alexandr Malusek wrote:
I even didn't mention I had tried it on Linux. The bank itself figured it out somehow.
Doesn't require an Einstein, since you mentioned Konqueror :)
Having set up Opera so that it identifies itself as MSIE I'm able to do more on these pages but it's still not OK. Perhaps Netscape 4.78 pretending it runs on MS-Windows would do the job.
I've never seen such a thing done in Netscape. Mozilla can do it, and so can konqueror. But if you get as far as "Register new payment", it seems unlikely that the ID string is the culprit. More likely, they've adopted a little broken HTML (aka IE code). If I were in your position (and I was, at one time), I'd switch bank and let Nordea know why. Föreningssparbanken works very well with linux. I've used it for several years. regards Anders
Alexandr Malusek wrote:
I'd like to change the identification of some of my browsers so that they pretend they run on MS-Windows. Has anybody tried it?
The reason (which made me very angry) is the following reply from a bank:
The "Solo" web pages have been changed and I'm no longer able to fill in the "Registrera ny betalning" form. I've tried Netscape 4.78, Mozilla 0.9.4, Opera 6.0, Konqueror 2.2.2, ... browsers but none of them works. Can't it be fixed somehow?
We don´t support Linux and that is why you can´t register your payments. If you have any further questions about this, please call our internetsupport at 020-421516.
I would switch banks. Any bank so dependent on Microsoft is in baaaad shape. You could write a perl script with the lwp:simple module that will mimic any browser, or maybe you could get the mozilla source and compile it it with your custom string. -- $|=1;while(1){print pack("h*",'75861647f302d4560275f6272797f3');sleep(1); for(1..16){for(8,32,8,7){print chr($_);}select(undef,undef,undef,.05);}}
* zentara (zentara@highstream.net) [020102 08:24]: ->Alexandr Malusek wrote: -> ->> ->>I'd like to change the identification of some of my browsers so that ->>they pretend they run on MS-Windows. Has anybody tried it? ->> ->>The reason (which made me very angry) is the following reply from a ->>bank: ->> ->> ->>>>The "Solo" web pages have been changed and I'm no longer able to ->>>>fill in the "Registrera ny betalning" form. I've tried Netscape ->>>>4.78, Mozilla 0.9.4, Opera 6.0, Konqueror 2.2.2, ... browsers but ->>>>none of them works. Can't it be fixed somehow? ->>>> ->>>We don´t support Linux and that is why you can´t register your ->>>payments. If ->>>you have any further questions about this, please call our ->>>internetsupport ->>>at 020-421516. -> ->I would switch banks. Any bank so dependent on Microsoft is in baaaad ->shape. ->You could write a perl script with the lwp:simple module that will ->mimic any browser, or maybe ->you could get the mozilla source and compile it it with your custom ->string. I don't support doing this..I would switch banks. If you want to trust that your money is safe then you should switch. Any company that closes out other OS/Browesers after all the issues w/ Microsoft software isn't very good in my book. Fact is. I think Linux users should start vocally boycotting businesses like this. If you so choose to do this then you can vi a file called user.js and put it in in ~/.mozilla/<username>/<weird directory>/ This will over rule the default user agent string for Mozilla. And yes it does work. When MS locked out browsers to MSN I used this to prove to my office mate that people are just plain stupid and nothing is fool proof. -- user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)"); -- Put the above in the user.js but leave the -- that are before and after the line. It must be one like with no breaks. Cheers, -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...
If you so choose to do this then you can vi a file called user.js and put it in in ~/.mozilla/<username>/<weird directory>/
This will over rule the default user agent string for Mozilla. And yes it does work. When MS locked out browsers to MSN I used this to
Ben Rosenberg wrote: prove to
my office mate that people are just plain stupid and nothing is fool proof. -- user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)"); -- Put the above in the user.js but leave the -- that are before and after the line. It must be one like with no breaks.
Hi, I just tried this on Netscape 6.2, and IT WORKS!!! Very handy. :-) You must remove the -- before and after for Netscape 6.2, just 1 line with the info named "user.js". One word of warning....even after I took the user.js out, the effect remained. My Netscape 6.21 now says.... Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Z 9.5; Winblows NuT 5.0) heh, heh,heh....I like it. Actually I found that the user.js file will become incorporated into prefs.js automatically, so no problemo.; just remove the line. -- $|=1;while(1){print pack("h*",'75861647f302d4560275f6272797f3');sleep(1); for(1..16){for(8,32,8,7){print chr($_);}select(undef,undef,undef,.05);}}
I don't support doing this..I would switch banks. If you want to trust that your money is safe then you should switch. Any company that closes out other OS/Browesers after all the issues w/ Microsoft software isn't very good in my book. Fact is. I think Linux users should start vocally boycotting businesses like this.
If you so choose to do this then you can vi a file called user.js and put it in in ~/.mozilla/<username>/<weird directory>/
This will over rule the default user agent string for Mozilla. And yes it does work. When MS locked out browsers to MSN I used this to prove to my office mate that people are just plain stupid and nothing is fool proof.
Hi, I also have problem with one site. I have inserted user.js file. But result is the same: _____________ eLink: Sorry, your browser isn't supported by our system Your Browser is Default ver.0 We support only MSIE 4,5 or 6 Your browser info is :Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0) _____________ What can I do to go over? Any help... Audrius -- AV SuSE Pro 7.3
On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 16:37, Alexandr Malusek wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to change the identification of some of my browsers so that they pretend they run on MS-Windows. Has anybody tried it?
In Konqueror, goto tools-change browser identification, there you can
select a fake ID for Konqueror. Haven't tried it myself. I go to my bank
with the bicycle - the other hobby :-))
Citibank in G€rmon€y runs with Netscrape 4.78 on SuSE Linux 7.3, but you
would have to ask my wife
Hi Just do what I'm used to do with local services... I e-mail them with reference to tens of cities here in Finland, that has chosen Linux as their primary OS, along with reference to other covenement organisations that uses Linux, and then ask them: Do You really want to ignore this amount of official sites and all other sites? That usually does the trick.. If it doesn't, they are not worth the effort. There is always a lot of luser-organisations, that ignores other than M$, but believe me, they are not long-time business, and should be avoided. Jaska. Viestissä Keskiviikko 2. Tammikuuta 2002 17:37, Alexandr Malusek kirjoitti:
Hi,
I'd like to change the identification of some of my browsers so that they pretend they run on MS-Windows. Has anybody tried it?
The reason (which made me very angry) is the following reply from a
bank:
The "Solo" web pages have been changed and I'm no longer able to fill in the "Registrera ny betalning" form. I've tried Netscape 4.78, Mozilla 0.9.4, Opera 6.0, Konqueror 2.2.2, ... browsers but none of them works. Can't it be fixed somehow?
We don´t support Linux and that is why you can´t register your payments. If you have any further questions about this, please call our internetsupport at 020-421516.
Best regards Nordea Bank Sverige AB (publ)
I even didn't mention I had tried it on Linux. The bank itself figured it out somehow.
Having set up Opera so that it identifies itself as MSIE I'm able to do more on these pages but it's still not OK. Perhaps Netscape 4.78 pretending it runs on MS-Windows would do the job.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaakko Tamminen"
Hi
Just do what I'm used to do with local services...
I e-mail them with reference to tens of cities here in Finland, that has chosen Linux as their primary OS, along with reference to other covenement organisations that uses Linux, and then ask them:
Do You really want to ignore this amount of official sites and all other sites?
That usually does the trick.. If it doesn't, they are not worth the effort. There is always a lot of luser-organisations, that ignores other than M$, but believe me, they are not long-time business, and should be avoided.
The example of AOL should persuade ISP's that locking out linux is not sufficient to make Bill Gates happy. However, they don't want to pay support personnel to be experts in anything, let alone linux, which might be only 5% of their market in the USA. The fact that major financial institutions like MSDW and PWC, and all automotive and aerospace organizations, are relying on linux, has no meaning to ISP's dealing in the consumer market. Mindspring had linux configuration information on their site until Earthlink closed down those web pages, but they support Win2K only at the basic level, and support for Netscape on linux is no different from support for Netscape on Windows. Don't let on that you know what OS you are running; just say Netscape if they insist on an answer.
Alexandr Malusek wrote:
I've tried Netscape 4.78, Mozilla 0.9.4, Opera 6.0, Konqueror 2.2.2, ... browsers but none of them works. >snip< Having set up Opera so that it identifies itself as MSIE I'm able to do more on these pages but it's still not OK. Perhaps Netscape 4.78 pretending it runs on MS-Windows would do the job.
Have you tried Netscape 6? It is known to include those so-called "non-official, but still often used standards". And indeed, it is the only browser I can do banking with without any problems. (I have NS 6.1 on SuSE 7.1.) SH
On 2 Jan 2002, Alexandr Malusek wrote:
I'd like to change the identification of some of my browsers so that they pretend they run on MS-Windows. Has anybody tried it?
On Windows I use Opera 6.0 as my primary browser. When I encounter websites which do not accept Opera, I use the "camouflage mode",ie. change the identification mode to see to what degree the site works with Opera. Then I send a "standard" email to the site manager stating my "finding" and with a spiel about the good reasons there are for their supporting multiple browser. On Linux, Netscape 6.2.1 has become my main browser, but I have rarely had identification problems with it. If I did, I would send an email to the site manager. I am very reluctant to constantly browsing in "camouflage mode" because it will not provide the information to site managers that a browser other than IE is being used. In the end, the situation can only improve by popular demand. My girlfriend left hotmail because of that service's thinly vailed effort to get people to use IE by placing intentional hurdles in the user's way. I think voting with ones feet is at least one way to make ones voice heard. -- Ragnar Steingrimsson | Department of Cognitive Sciences UC-Irvine, SSPA 3151 | Email: ragnar@uci.edu Irvine, CA 92697 | Small Green Men
At 12:23 01/02/2002 -0800, Ragnar Steingrimsson wrote: /snip/
On Windows I use Opera 6.0 as my primary browser. When I encounter
/snip/ I kind of liked Opera. It was faster than Netscape. But it didn't do all the Netscape plug-ins. Some sites just didn't work. (Of course, there are some sites that don't work with Nestcape either.) However. there was a home-written V-B program that allowed Windows to access the IBM AS 400 BPCS server in a GUI mode,and after I loaded Opera into about 4 machines, the phone-book program ceased to work on all of them. I could never solve the problem, even after removing Opera, and the IT department will only work on it if they are allowed to wipe the drive of the affected machines. (Thus losing all the programs that have had to be "installed" like AutoCad, Lotus, etc.) The Opera people say it's not them, but it sure as heck is. It only happened on the machines I tried Opera on. So now I'm spooked. I know Opera has a new version (since about a month ago) but how can I trust them? --doug
You are mixing a lot of odd environments here. What version of windows, what version
of VB, what IBM software is installed to allow the BPCS access? FIRST, this is off topic
and does not belong on this list, second, I would say that most any communication
software which is added to your machines will mess them up. VB, IBM rumba (or
whatever) are very buggy. They have so many dependencies that they are easily
broken, especially the older versions.
Jim
01/02/02 08:47:38 PM, Doug McGarrett
At 12:23 01/02/2002 -0800, Ragnar Steingrimsson wrote:
/snip/
On Windows I use Opera 6.0 as my primary browser. When I encounter
/snip/
I kind of liked Opera. It was faster than Netscape. But it didn't do all the Netscape plug-ins. Some sites just didn't work. (Of course, there are some sites that don't work with Nestcape either.) However. there was a home-written V-B program that allowed Windows to access the IBM AS 400 BPCS server in a GUI mode,and after I loaded Opera into about 4 machines, the phone-book program ceased to work on all of them. I could never solve the problem, even after removing Opera, and the IT department will only work on it if they are allowed to wipe the drive of the affected machines. (Thus losing all the programs that have had to be "installed" like AutoCad, Lotus, etc.) The Opera people say it's not them, but it sure as heck is. It only happened on the machines I tried Opera on.
So now I'm spooked. I know Opera has a new version (since about a month ago) but how can I trust them?
--doug
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On Wednesday, 02 January 2002 15:23 pm, Ragnar Steingrimsson wrote:
I think voting with ones feet is at least one way to make ones voice heard.
I can't help myself, but add my $.015 unasked-for opinion: I *liked* that! I wished I had sait it myself... Anyway, I use the ISP I use for that reason: it was the only one (out of more than 20) in my area which would support Linux. As for the bank, I've always been a "Rather switch than fight." Is that the only bank you can use? I'd rather try to find a bank which would accept Linux than masquerade my browser. After all, I feel that the bank needs me more than I need the bank (think about it: if *not all*, but *most* of the bank's clients threatened to switch to another bank, what would happen?). Regards, gr, in sunny, warm Florida. **"A bad day is when I'm six feet underground."** /Unknown/
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