On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 14:34 +0200, Per Inge Oestmoen wrote:

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 14:16 +0200, Per Inge Oestmoen wrote:

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Is there a problem with 1 Tb disks (or larger) in Opensuse 11? The disk did not appear in Konqueror, so I went into Yast2. There was no indication that there was any disk attached, and I tried Yast (the text-based older version). There the disk came up, but Yast claimed that the disk was 2 Tb instead of 1 Tb. I started formatting, but the process stopped with no success and I could not format the disk.

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I use them. They usually only support USB2, not the slower USB1, like smaller disks often do. So it must be a USB2 port that it is connected to. Do you see the disk if you type: lsusb

It would seem so:

lsusb Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:c043 Logitech, Inc. MX320 Laser Mouse Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 002: ID 046d:c30e Logitech, Inc. UltraX Keys (X) Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Um, which in the above is the disk? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday May 6 2009, Per Inge Oestmoen wrote:

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Did you try "tail -f /var/log/messages" and connect/disconnect the drive? Maybe you can see if the disk is recognized.

That yielded this result:

siberia@linux-k9na:~> tail -f /var/log/messages tail: cannot open `/var/log/messages' for reading: Permission denied tail: no files remaining

Only root can read /var/log/messages.

Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway

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On 2009/05/06 17:17 (GMT+0200) Per Inge Oestmoen composed:

linux-k9na:/home/siberia # tail -f /var/log/messages May 6 17:04:06 linux-k9na kernel: usb 2-2: New USB device found, idVendor=152d, idProduct=2338 May 6 17:04:06 linux-k9na kernel: usb 2-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=5 May 6 17:04:06 linux-k9na kernel: usb 2-2: Product: USB to ATA/ATAPI Bridge May 6 17:04:06 linux-k9na kernel: usb 2-2: Manufacturer: JMicron May 6 17:04:06 linux-k9na kernel: usb 2-2: SerialNumber: 183D203370B9 May 6 17:04:07 linux-k9na kernel: scsi 9:0:0:0: Direct-Access PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS May 6 17:04:07 linux-k9na kernel: sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk May 6 17:04:07 linux-k9na kernel: sd 9:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg4 type 0 May 6 17:04:07 linux-k9na kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete May 6 17:11:20 linux-k9na su: (to root) siberia on /dev/pts/2 May 6 17:11:40 linux-k9na smartd[3371]: Device: /dev/sda, 1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors May 6 17:15:06 linux-k9na gconfd (siberia-20011): GConf server is not in use, shutting down. May 6 17:15:06 linux-k9na gconfd (siberia-20011): Exiting

Have you tried accessing it with a partitioning program yet? Until there are partitions, there is nothing for any user activity except a partitioning program to access. -- "A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control." Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday May 6 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Wednesday May 6 2009, Felix Miata wrote:

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Have you tried accessing it with a partitioning program yet? Until there are partitions, there is nothing for any user activity except a partitioning program to access.

Good point. And if there are partitions but they're unformatted or formatted with a file system type not supported by installed drivers, the net effect would be similar (nothing seems to happen when the drive is attached).

An even more esoteric possibility occurred to me: The partition type code could be one not recognized as holding a file system. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday May 6 2009, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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1. Check /var/log/messages to see what /dev/sdX device it was mounted on. In this case it looks like /dev/sdc.

I find the directories under /dev/disk to be most useful for identifying which /dev entry corresponds to which driver or partition. Often the entries in /dev/disk/by-id include manufacturer and model information. E.g. (Partitions elided): % ls -l /dev/disk/by-id total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 1 13:54 ata-WDC_WD3000JD-00KLB0_WD-WMAMR1684703 -> ../../sdd lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 1 13:54 edd-int13_dev80 -> ../../sda lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 1 13:54 edd-int13_dev81 -> ../../sdc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 1 13:54 edd-int13_dev82 -> ../../sdb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 1 13:54 edd-int13_dev83 -> ../../sdd lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 1 13:54 ieee1394-0090a9dcdeb9a1ce:000434:0000 -> ../../sde lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 1 13:54 scsi-20010b9ff0d0ba600 -> ../../sdc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 1 13:54 scsi-35005076718c08df4 -> ../../sda lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 1 13:54 scsi-SATA_WDC_WD3000JD-00_WD-WMAMR1684703 -> ../../sdd lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 1 13:54 scsi-SFUJITSU_MAT3073NP_AAS0P55014US -> ../../sdb

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Regards, Lew

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On 2009/05/06 18:01 (GMT+0200) Per Inge Oestmoen composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2009/05/06 17:17 (GMT+0200) Per Inge Oestmoen composed:

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linux-k9na:/home/siberia # tail -f /var/log/messages

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Have you tried accessing it with a partitioning program yet? Until there are partitions, there is nothing for any user activity except a partitioning program to access.

Yes, by all means, read back to the start - I have tried both Yast2 and Yast, but I did not manage to get them to partition and format the large disk.

I saw your first post before anyone else replied to it. That you tried YaST2 told me nothing. YaST2 is a multifacted configurator with many ways to not do what actually needs doing. I never use it to create partitions. The only time I see it is after partitioning when it is run by the installer, when I use it exclusively to assign mount points to existing partitions. In your OP, you discussed formatting without discussing partitioning. Formatting (as the term is used by most people; technically partitioning is a special form of formatting, but most people limit use of the term to apply to creating filesystems on previously created partitions) on a HD is never possible until after partition(s) have been created. OTOH, you could 'fdisk -l' and see if there's any sign of its presence or any partitioning on it. If you partitioned it with Vista, it may be that YaST2 does not understand what Vista did to it. If there are no partitions at all .... -- "A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control." Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata wrote:

Or, as alternative to listing devices in /dev/disk as others have suggested, do 'cat /proc/partitions'.

linux-k9na:/home/siberia # cat /proc/partitions major minor #blocks name 8 0 117220824 sda 8 1 8225248 sda1 8 2 5566522 sda2 8 3 12289725 sda3 8 4 91136745 sda4 8 16 312571224 sdb 8 17 2104483 sdb1 8 18 20972857 sdb2 8 19 289491300 sdb3 8 32 2147483648 sdc The disk is sdc. Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-05-06 at 15:45 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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linux-k9na:/home/siberia # cat /proc/partitions major minor #blocks name

8 0 117220824 sda 8 1 8225248 sda1 8 2 5566522 sda2 8 3 12289725 sda3 8 4 91136745 sda4 8 16 312571224 sdb 8 17 2104483 sdb1 8 18 20972857 sdb2 8 19 289491300 sdb3 8 32 2147483648 sdc

The disk is sdc.

And there are no partitions. Compare it with sda[n] and sdb[n].

Where are you with this? Clearly the system has recognized the disk and integrated as much as possible into the known device configuration.

Have you partitioned it? Until you do, you won't get further.

Technically, of course, that's not true. You can use the unpartitioned device itself, but a terabyte is a largish file system volume (and an insane swap partition).

I prefer "fdisk -l" to list partitions, it gives more information. However, I think Per said he connected the disk to a Vista machine and it worked. If the disk was already partitioned there, or even contains data, it would be a bad idea to try partitioning or formatting it in Linux. Now that I think, I remember he said he tried formatting it with YaST which saw the wrong size. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoCFoIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XvEgCfdMqDQFhqhSvj4XLeq7opguxr TaEAoI5PX/Ul7FwWSjgXk/fb9NBAiDjw =bNUj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday May 6 2009, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Have you guys considered the drive may have a GPT instead of a standard IBM Partition Table? They are the defacto standard for large drives and required for over 2TB drives.

fdisk does NOT support them. Vista / Win 2008 does for non-boot drives. (Older does not.)

Many / all Macs use GPT by default, even for the boot drive.

I think it became the default with the introduction of the Intel-based Macs, but I'm not sure about that.

Trouble is I don't know how to check for a GPT from Linux. (I have commercial tools I use that handle it transparently.)

You might try "file -s" (the -s means read the contents of device file rather than reporting that it is a device).

The linux kernel should autodetect a GPT I'm pretty sure, but who knows how often that gets tested.

I had the impression that my WD MyBook (1 TB) was GPT, but at the moment I'm not sure and while I have it connected to my openSUSE 11.1 box on an essentially permanent basis, I see no indication in /var/log/messages mentioning GPT. File says this: % file -s /dev/sde /dev/sde: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xaf, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 976762584 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xa8, starthead 254, startsector 976762710, 976762458 sectors But if, as you say, fdisk doesn't support GPT, then the fact that it's happy with this drive suggests it's _not_ GPT.

Greg

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On Wednesday May 6 2009, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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But if, as you say, fdisk doesn't support GPT, then the fact that it's happy with this drive suggests it's _not_ GPT.

Quoting several messages ago:

linux-k9na:/home/siberia # fdisk /dev/sdc Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel

I don't call that fdisk being happy.

I meant my Western Digital 1 TB MyBook, not Per's recalcitrant drive.

Greg

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On 2009/05/06 19:38 (GMT-0400) Greg Freemyer composed:

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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But if, as you say, fdisk doesn't support GPT, then the fact that it's happy with this drive suggests it's _not_ GPT.

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linux-k9na:/home/siberia # fdisk /dev/sdc Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel

I don't call that fdisk being happy.

That's it normal state when the first sector is all nulls, a common occurrence on a brand new HD with nothing yet written to it by any partitioner. ;-) -- "A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control." Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/05/07 01:58 (GMT+0200) Per Inge Oestmoen composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

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That's it normal state when the first sector is all nulls, a common occurrence on a brand new HD with nothing yet written to it by any partitioner. ;-)

Understood.

But this I fail to understand:

---- linux-k9na:/home/siberia # cat /proc/partitions major minor #blocks name

8 0 117220824 sda 8 1 8225248 sda1 8 2 5566522 sda2 8 3 12289725 sda3 8 4 91136745 sda4 8 16 312571224 sdb 8 17 2104483 sdb1 8 18 20972857 sdb2 8 19 289491300 sdb3

It simply means the device is not currently recognized. I don't know why, but I suspect any of several possibilities, among them: 1-too many attempts to connect and disconnect on a single boot 2-attempts to disconnect/connect too quickly 3-attempts to disconnect/connect too quickly while not using the same port 4-USB device failure 5-attempting to disconnect without executing a safe disconnect command of some sort 6-failed or incomplete cable connection I wouldn't give up without trying it again on a fresh boot, both with, and without it connected prior to booting. In the long run I suggest you consider a solution such as this: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16817173043 I have 5 of them and have never used them in USB mode. They come with an adapter that provides an eSATA cable connection to the outside of the system, and an SATA cable to connect to an available internal SATA port. They do not support hot plug, but that is not a problem for me. OTOH, they are just as fast as any internal SATA HD directly connected to a motherboard port, which is several times faster than USB or firewire. -- "A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control." Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-05-06 at 19:22 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:

Have you guys considered the drive may have a GPT instead of a standard IBM Partition Table? They are the defacto standard for large drives and required for over 2TB drives.

fdisk does NOT support them. Vista / Win 2008 does for non-boot drives. (Older does not.)

Many / all Macs use GPT by default, even for the boot drive.

Trouble is I don't know how to check for a GPT from Linux. (I have commercial tools I use that handle it transparently.)

According to the wikipedia: “A single partition type of 0xEE, encompassing the entire GPT drive, is indicated and identifies it as GPT”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table#Legacy_MBR_.28LBA_0.29

The linux kernel should autodetect a GPT I'm pretty sure, but who knows how often that gets tested.

And perhaps that support was not included in openSUSE 11.0 - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoDNcMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9ViYQCePhRb+EbJpBFd6Gdlz/9IMIUe ZzAAn3jCm7qsZLRVTIpT/PAymKiAMRHy =knjJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Wednesday May 6 2009, Per Inge Oestmoen wrote:

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Only root can read /var/log/messages.

I then became root, and here is the result:

---- linux-k9na:/home/siberia # tail -f /var/log/messages May 6 17:04:06 linux-k9na kernel: usb 2-2: New USB device found, idVendor=152d, idProduct=2338 May 6 17:04:06 linux-k9na kernel: usb 2-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=5 May 6 17:04:06 linux-k9na kernel: usb 2-2: Product: USB to ATA/ATAPI Bridge May 6 17:04:06 linux-k9na kernel: usb 2-2: Manufacturer: JMicron May 6 17:04:06 linux-k9na kernel: usb 2-2: SerialNumber: 183D203370B9 May 6 17:04:07 linux-k9na kernel: scsi 9:0:0:0: Direct-Access PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS May 6 17:04:07 linux-k9na kernel: sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk May 6 17:04:07 linux-k9na kernel: sd 9:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg4 type 0 May 6 17:04:07 linux-k9na kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete May 6 17:11:20 linux-k9na su: (to root) siberia on /dev/pts/2 May 6 17:11:40 linux-k9na smartd[3371]: Device: /dev/sda, 1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors May 6 17:15:06 linux-k9na gconfd (siberia-20011): GConf server is not in use, shutting down. May 6 17:15:06 linux-k9na gconfd (siberia-20011): Exiting ----

[ As an aside, it's highly preferable that you inhibit line-wrapping for things like log file excerpts. I've rejoined the lines manually. ] Clearly your drive was detected and processed. What do you see when you look beneath /dev/disk? Use "ls -lR" to see it.

Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-05-06 at 18:38 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

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May 6 17:04:07 linux-k9na kernel: sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk May 6 17:04:07 linux-k9na kernel: sd 9:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg4 type 0

So /dev/sdc is your 1Tb USB drive.

I don't thing so, because of the "sg4" thing. That's a CDrom :-? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoB5iIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UksACeKFWLRil+g9rTe9S/RwCm46K0 y94AmgOoR7Sy284W9ZEXb2ZhNUNAvFY8 =/22n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-05-06 at 17:17 +0200, Per Inge Oestmoen wrote:

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Only root can read /var/log/messages.

I then became root, and here is the result:

---- May 6 17:11:40 linux-k9na smartd[3371]: Device: /dev/sda, 1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors

This is bad, very bad. Assuming the disk is good, as Vista can see it, I'd try with openSUSE 11.1 instead. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoB5aAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UuDgCcCbhWSS0pIaqHTlxAGLEW1qjr EUMAoI0FBs1YX6PUpegCXxl22B87Zo8Z =mm2r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org