On Sunday 12 November 2006 10:16, Per Jessen wrote:

No duplicates here.

Hmm your was duplicated so was Guillermoo's, Hugo's and Pete Connolly's. I'm drowning in emails :( Have to go out for a bit but expect another 100+ when I get back. -- Regards Peter Cannon "There is every excuse for not knowing there is no excuse for not asking" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Pete Connolly a écrit :

Strange, I only got my own email,

i can see two reason. * not anybody takes the time to remove the original author adresse in the header * may be one can have two opensuse subscribtion if he was sunscribed both to opensuse and suse-e ? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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* may be one can have two opensuse subscribtion if he was sunscribed both to opensuse and suse-e ?

Maybe? No, then I would see every email duplicated, and I don't, only some of them.

I haven't stopped to find a pattern.

My guess is perhaps some have a procmail filter to automatically put suse-linux-e in the reply, so now it gets sent to both. There are 2 emails since they are sent to both lists, which are now only one, so both come here. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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i can see two reason.

* not anybody takes the time to remove the original author adresse in the header

There is also a good reason not to. Let's take the promiment example of LKML, where you do not have to be subscribed. So you have to be Cc'ed or To'ed somehow. Second case LKML: People throw all their list mails into one folder (the unimportant stuff) and get a direct reply for threads they have taken part in. That's why your patch is often ignored when just submitted to lkml without any persons directly cc'ed. -`J' -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Open 2 mails that are duplicates. This for instance. View the complete headers, are they being delivered to 2 different email addresses, meaning were you subscribed to both opensuse@opensuse.org and suse-linux-e@suse.com before the switch, but with 2 different email-addresses? Or even better, email 2 duplicates to this list with complete headers so we can try to make heads and tails of them. Bjørn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 you said:

On Sunday 12 November 2006 12:33, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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There is also a good reason not to. Let's take the promiment example of LKML, where you do not have to be subscribed. So you have to be Cc'ed or To'ed somehow. Second case LKML: People throw all their list mails into one folder (the unimportant stuff) and get a direct reply for threads they have taken part in. That's why your patch is often ignored when just submitted to lkml without any persons directly cc'ed.

Aaah!! this is starting to 'P&*$' me off its got to be the list sending me two of everything, I've heard of two for the price of one but its getting annoying

I have yet to see a multiple instance of any mail. Put recipe this in your .procmailrc :0Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 1024 $PMDIR/msgid.cache See procmailex(1) Theo (who loves the way *nix can delegate special tasks to specialized programs, instead of relying on one program to (be able to) do everything) -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org Voorhout ICQ: 277217131 ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Voor GNUpg/pgp zie headers. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Cannon wrote:

On Sunday 12 November 2006 12:33, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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There is also a good reason not to. Let's take the promiment example of LKML, where you do not have to be subscribed. So you have to be Cc'ed or To'ed somehow. Second case LKML: People throw all their list mails into one folder (the unimportant stuff) and get a direct reply for threads they have taken part in. That's why your patch is often ignored when just submitted to lkml without any persons directly cc'ed.

Aaah!! this is starting to 'P&*$' me off its got to be the list sending me two of everything, I've heard of two for the price of one but its getting annoying

I'm already on a number of differant mailing lists and the extra load is distracting, if while reading one list suddenley theres 37 new posts you brain thinks "Heads up whats going on over there" only to find that its double bluff.

Has 10.1 flakyness crept into the list server?

No, it is your setup. I am subscribed to several mailing lists, some have been redirected to the new list server, some haven't. No double posts have appeared on my server. I would suggest you do some more in-depth analysis, before you scream murder. - Is the message-id really the same in those double mails? - Are they delivered to the same address (again, look at the header)? Sandy -- List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 12 November 2006 14:33, Per Jessen wrote:

Apologies - I've just been checking my mail-logs, and I AM getting all postings in duplo. I just feed all mailing-list mail into my news-server, which is really good at dealing with duplicate messages.

In my case I am subscribed to both "opensuse@opensuse.org" and "suse-linux-e@suse.com", but with two different addresses.

This made me check my cyrus IMAP logs as well, and yes, I'm getting duplicates as well. Cyrus is also very good at filtering them out Henne? It looks like the opensuse lists are sending everything out twice --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 12 November 2006 15:28, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Anders Johansson [11-12-06 09:19]:

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This made me check my cyrus IMAP logs as well, and yes, I'm getting duplicates as well. Cyrus is also very good at filtering them out

Henne? It looks like the opensuse lists are sending everything out twice

I don't believe that it is the list software, but individual client's list address function. Mutt will address mail originally sent to suse-linux-e to both addresses, which I then edit, since I *am* subscribed to both lists.

note: this _only_ happens to mail which was sent to suse-linux-e originally.

What are you talking about? It's just not true. I get even my own mail twice, and I know I'm not sending it to two lists, and I know I'm not sending it to suse-linux-e I would guess it happens for users who are/were subscribed to SLE. My guess is Henne migrated us to opensuse by simply cat:ing the subscribers file for SLE and appending it to the opensuse file, so we now have two entries each in the subscribers file for opensuse@opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2006-11-12 at 15:38 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

What are you talking about? It's just not true. I get even my own mail twice, and I know I'm not sending it to two lists, and I know I'm not sending it to suse-linux-e

Did you get the above email twice? I didn't. I did receive some duplicates yesterday, but not today. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFVz+vtTMYHG2NR9URAgTlAJ0fc1AqFqnblhpOUdzPIyh3dmb8twCgluu4 bHofy0H3RAGftubkM/J/ZPs= =LPBc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 17:08 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hi,

To everyone that gets any duplicates. There are a couple of things you should check.

1. Are you subscribed with two different addresses?

No.

Check the header of the email. The "Return-Path" header contains your subscription address. It looks like this:

Return-Path: opensuse-+bounces-<some number>-<the subscribed address>@opensuse.org Return-Path: Return-Path:

The subscribed address has the @ sign replaced by a =

If you recive mails to two different accounts unsubscribe one.

2. Is this mail adressed to both list names?

This list has 2 list names. opensuse@opensuse.org and suse-linux-e@suse.com. If you send a mail to both addresses at once it will be delivered twice. Received: from lists4.suse.de (lists4.suse.de [195.135.221.135]) by e450.mnsi.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kACFXtkN003287 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 10:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists4.suse.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists4.suse.de (Postfix) with SMTP id E15B510255; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:31:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Original-To: opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org Delivered-To: opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org

Received: from lists4.suse.de (lists4.suse.de [195.135.221.135]) by e450.mnsi.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kACFXtkN003287 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 10:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists4.suse.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists4.suse.de (Postfix) with SMTP id E15B510255; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:31:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Original-To: opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org Delivered-To: opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org

3. Is this mail really a duplicate or did someone send the same mail twice?

Also check the headers. Each mail includes a couple of "Received" headers. They usually contain the ESMTP id. If they are not the same then those are different mails. You can also check the Message-ID header, though it is not as reliable as the ESMTP id's.

Henne

Posted above are the relevant sections from the headers of a duplicate e-mail, the only one from my most recent mail poll. Note the ESMTP id's are the same. HTH, Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi,

To everyone that gets any duplicates. There are a couple of things you should check.

<snip> 2. Is this mail adressed to both list names?

This list has 2 list names. opensuse@opensuse.org and suse-linux-e@suse.com. If you send a mail to both addresses at once it will be delivered twice. I received about 10 duplicates only, and in each case except 2, this was

On 2006-11-12 10:08, Henne Vogelsang wrote: the reason. The remaining 2 were because the mail was sent twice. Well, I actually got about 39 or 40 more duplicates, but those were because I saw a couple of interesting threads in the previous opensuse list, and downloaded a couple of mboxes to get the whole threads -- merging them into the sle stuff I retain proved interesting :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Mike McMullin [11-12-06 11:42]: ...

I got a dupe from Patrick Shanahan timestamped about 9:42 a.m. from today. I am getting a few dupes.

Please forward those with complete headers to me at: paka@wahoo.wahoo.no-ip.org tks, -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2006-11-12 at 15:46 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Henne? It looks like the opensuse lists are sending everything out twice

It does not.

Not everything, but some of them. I have proof: 1) Return-Path: Message-Id: <200611111744.00483.e_mccanless@bellsouth.net> 2) Return-Path: Message-Id: <200611111744.00483.e_mccanless@bellsouth.net> Both reached my ISP within 3 seconds one of the other. The entry points to SuSE are different: 1) Received: from imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.65]) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2886312074 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:44:09 +0100 (CET) 2) Received: from imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.65]) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE3212074 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:44:10 +0100 (CET) So, the problem is external to SuSE, you got two copies: one sent to opensuse@opensuse.org, and another to suse-linux-e@suse.com; both got posted, although I can find only one in the archive (and it is difficult to find, by the way). For this instance, the "culprit" is Ed McCanless, or rather, the merging process. | From: Ed McCanless | To: suse-linux-e@suse.com, opensuse@opensuse.org <====== | Subject: [opensuse] Re: [SLE] Removing installed application | Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:44:00 -0500 ;-) Now, people, scan the duplicates each one of you got, and find out. I'm off to my well earned, delayed Siesta ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFV0MmtTMYHG2NR9URAqhcAJ9cmwnap9QyYa2AnEphiQwAwd3e3ACePUBf wTAIZF6B6rBeUko7BWdNabA= =bn/K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi, On Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 17:01:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Sunday 2006-11-12 at 16:52 +0100, I wrote:

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posted, although I can find only one in the archive (and it is difficult to find, by the way).

The archive software is able to find duplicate msgid's and archive only one.

Update: the archive is stuck on Fri Nov 10 13:10:50 GMT 2006, it is not being updated.

Nope. Works like a charm. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/date4.html Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 12 November 2006 15:46, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hi,

On Sunday, November 12, 2006 at 09:28:08, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Anders Johansson [11-12-06 09:19]:

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This made me check my cyrus IMAP logs as well, and yes, I'm getting duplicates as well. Cyrus is also very good at filtering them out

Henne? It looks like the opensuse lists are sending everything out twice

It does not.

After disabling duplicate suppression in cyrus (and repairing some mess in my postfix config) I'm not seeing dupes at all anymore. I guess I was misinterpreting what cyrus was saying --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org