On Wednesday 23 September 2015 13.33:24 Stanislav Baiduzhyi wrote: (...)

Latter contradicts former a little bit. I completely agree with your first point, that's why I've got Asus Zenbook, where RAM can be expanded to 12GB (4 on board and additional 204pin slot) and hard drive can be easily replaced with any msata, and the beautiful screen of 169dpi, and of course high-quality aluminium casing, thinkpads do not have a chance next to that laptop.

As far as I am concerned, the Zenbook has no chance because it has a touchpad :) But that's just me: I hate touchpads. So the choice depends not only on software, but also on the way you want to run it. And what specific hardware you'll need. Thierry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Content-ID: El 2015-09-23 a las 09:50 -0400, Doug escribió:

typing on it. Especially if you are a touch typist. That's even more important if you are writing code, because there is no spell checker for programming!

I wouldn't be able to code on a laptop, not for long; but yes, I have done it. I produced less when using a thing with small screen and small keyboard. I prefer a full size and fully featured keyboard with a solid feeling, plus a good trackball (and a huge screen). Others will prefer a mouse, of course. The laptop was for field trips. On ocassion, I traveled with my office desktop; I just requested the client to provide me with a spare display :-) On my laptop I have a touchpad, and I like it. I had one laptop with both a touchpad and something I don't know the name, perhaps a trackpoint: a tiny rubber joystick placed between four keys. I couldn't use that thing, hated it. The advantage is that you can easily setup the laptop anywhere without cables or much table space. Otherwise, just plug in a real mouse (and keyboard!) - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYDKpwACgkQja8UbcUWM1y8OwD+O6xKRwB8wJo+5sD29kZ6AFtE Tl9B7p6k/Kttc8qS9X8A/2NC99d/AIbbaxCZFWdb0ZvIJXq1/ui0dS0JiOLfwrmf =c165 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2015-09-23 a las 19:08 -0400, Greg Freemyer escribió:

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

A laptop with a 17" screen will typically have a full size keyboard. I'm using one now.

17" is 43.18 cm. This laptop is 39.5 cm (diagonal), that's about 15.5". My keyboard is complete,, compact, but I consider it rather smallish. I don't think 17" will yield a real sized keyboard. Unless you mean 17" horizontal :-?

I do a lot of command line work and I'm perfectly happy with that arrangement. Admittedly I don't write c code much anymore.

Well, you need to be able to display several displays. Source, help/documentation views, tools, as a minimum. The biggest, the better ;-) I coded with just 24 lines of text displays. But having 80 or 100 lines is so much better. That's progress :-) - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYDNf8ACgkQja8UbcUWM1yBOwD/azwj6Gjvgubd4teadpzZ0xVp iZkJF15nVEVhdhVZ9cYBAImU/ksoZBqyNoy2nPL6ZjIgHXWHto0mCbMqmKPkQNmd =YarN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2015-09-23 a las 19:45 -0400, Greg Freemyer escribió:

I didn't measure the keyboard, but it feels full-size to me. The numeric keyboard is jammed up next to the enter and shift keys. Also there is not a standalone set of arrow keys like standalone keyboards typically have.

So, a compact version. Not full size :-) - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYDQEIACgkQja8UbcUWM1x6BgD/Y0HcyjiI2Vr6CxqEbSP5li3V GC2f9FIZN6zEKc4sBqcA/0RKkjNqTWjY5PrNBZGW6C/TdG7vadm66flpBE2lAUji =mnfO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On 09/24/2015 10:55 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 19:45 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:A laptop with a 17" screen will typically have a full size keyboard. I'm using one now.17" is 43.18 cm. This laptop is 39.5 cm (diagonal), that's about 15.5". My keyboard is complete,, compact, but I consider it rather smallish. I don't

El 2015-09-23 a las 19:08 -0400, Greg Freemyer escribió: think 17" will yield a real sized keyboard. Unless you mean 17" horizontal :-?

/snip/ I have a Dell Latitude E6510, with a 15.6" screen. I just measured the keyboard. From the left edge of the Caps Lock key to the right edge of the Enter key is 11-⅛", while an IBM model M keyboard has that dimension as 11" exactly. I can't speak for other laptops, but the Dell k/b is not a bad k/b to type on, altho it is not equal to an IBM! --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Thierry de Coulon schreef:

I've got a "classroom" of Thinkpads (everything from two T23 to a T420, as well as several X's). I've disabled the touchpad on all but the two X200.

Ah yes, the X200 has no touchpad... :)

Hahaha. In Dutch we would say "sukkel..." but you can't say it in English without being more offensive ;-). But, funny :p. I have a touchpad that I dislike primarily because it is too sensitive. Also the "scroll" feature just is not workable. You know the vertical trail to the right that you can use as a scroll button. Doesn't really work. My laptop has a trackpoint but for some reason it is bugged (it is a second hand) whereas my previous one did have a working one. However I never used it. It might be related to the model/laptop, perhaps another one I would use. I bought a wireless 10€ microsoft mouse now and I LOVE it. It is called the Microsoft Wireless Mobile Mouse 1850 and it is just an inexpensive lovely device. Previously I had a Microsoft Comfort Mouse and it was the most uncomfortable mouse I've ever used. Wanna have it? Oh wait, I can't really get it, it is out of reach.... I don't have that small hands and the thing was just too big for me and weird shape of the palm rest, so to speak. Don't buy a MS Comfort Mouse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

buhorojo schreef:

Hi Are those old models? We have some Acers which don't have buttons, or rather they do but the clicks are not separated from the taps; the buttons are in the same pad. We know that newer models work a lot better. The best way we have found is to scroll using 2 fingers. This is opensuse with lxde. It's in system - preferences - synaptics. Worth a try? HTH

You speak of the laptop? They are HP 2530p. Their touch pad I guess is too small to use the scroll side thing effectively. It works fine with a single finger but I just never use it, it doesn't work for me. I default to clicking in the pane of the window and then try button scroll (up down) but that often doesn't work, many programs and sites have weird behaviour around the buttons. But now I have a mouse and it works way more pleasant this way :). Also their touchpad does have separate buttons for clicking, big ones too and a big clunky. Pretty high resist buttons. The track pad is not all that great on this thing, I think. Other than that the volume control stinks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Adam Tauno Williams composed on 2015-09-23 07:18 (UTC-0400):

First and foremost you want ***INTEL*** video for something that *always* just-works.

Never say never. Never say always. Nevermind the special cases of GMA500 and Optimus, broken Intel for 13.2 never got fixed, needs BS X11:XOrg driver for full functionality. http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=901506 That said, Intel and ATI/AMD do work more reliably with FOSS drivers than NVidia gfxchips, and none other than those three mainstreams should be considered, unless you're a masochist. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/23/2015 06:18 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 14:23 +0530, Arup Rakshit wrote:

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I am planning to buy a new laptop, which must have 15" screen. I just want a very good speed and productive one. I do build web applications and do write lot of code and different DB also I need to have and lot of other stuffs. That's why I am looking for some suggestions before going to buy it. Please some suggest me some models which you think enough enough to work happily with SUSE 13.2 or the new one UPCOMING version 41 +. OEM/brand means nothing ["HP", "Dell", etc...] It is all about the model.

First and foremost you want ***INTEL*** video for something that *always* just-works. Accept no substitutes, none, never.

It is good when you find a model you are interested to find the Service Field Guide [repair manual] as that will list the components the laptop actually has it in. Make sure those things work with LINUX/openSUSE. A laptop is a collection of components, no more or less than a desktop, only you cannot swap out any of them. So you need to be happy with the component list when you buy.

You buy hardware to run software, the software is the point, so buy the right hardware. Do your homework.

And ***INTEL*** video, always. No Optimus/nVidia ever, never ever - just say "NO!".

I prefer AMD processors with AMD/Radeon graphics. For me Intel is a second choice. I agree, never nVidia, which is kind of funny because at one time nVidia was THE video of choice for Linux. I have a high end HP, AMD quad core, AMD/Radeon graphics, eight gigs memory, dual hard drives [ Yes, dual hard drives in a laptop ]. Works "right out of the box." -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 07:18:18 AM Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 14:23 +0530, Arup Rakshit wrote:

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I am planning to buy a new laptop, which must have 15" screen. I just want a very good speed and productive one. I do build web applications and do write lot of code and different DB also I need to have and lot of other stuffs. That's why I am looking for some suggestions before going to buy it. Please some suggest me some models which you think enough enough to work happily with SUSE 13.2 or the new one UPCOMING version 41 +.

OEM/brand means nothing ["HP", "Dell", etc...] It is all about the model.

First and foremost you want ***INTEL*** video for something that *always* just-works. Accept no substitutes, none, never.

It is good when you find a model you are interested to find the Service Field Guide [repair manual] as that will list the components the laptop actually has it in. Make sure those things work with LINUX/openSUSE. A laptop is a collection of components, no more or less than a desktop, only you cannot swap out any of them. So you need to be happy with the component list when you buy.

You buy hardware to run software, the software is the point, so buy the right hardware. Do your homework.

And ***INTEL*** video, always. No Optimus/nVidia ever, never ever - just say "NO!".

Hi, After following these discussions, I searched and found below models : https://goo.gl/yxu1fN https://goo.gl/UXLx2z https://goo.gl/UxpoNL https://goo.gl/lna3hi http://goo.gl/IzgfaE http://goo.gl/oDGCf9 http://goo.gl/sEJfQE I applied lots of filters while searched. The above all what I got. Can you tell me which model is best out of those I have listed. Or all are crap ? :) I will be waiting for your reply. I am too confused at this moment. :( -- ================ Regards, Arup Rakshit ================ Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. --Brian Kernighan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org