On Saturday 12 April 2008 05:54:24 am Clayton wrote:

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I am tinkering with Beagle again... and it is merrily indexing webpages visited and emails in KMail. How do I stop it from doing that? I cannot find an option to turn off that seems to have an effect on the email and webpage indexing.

Use configuration dialog and stop demon. It was a while I used it, so I can't give details, but it is there.

But... that kind of defeats the purpose... stop the daemon and it doesn't index anything at all.... like I said, I am tinkering with Beagle again. Usually I remove it, but I do like to check it out once in a while.... this is the first time I've had it running where it didn't suck up 100% of my system resources... that's a good thing so I ma giving it a chance to index my system... but... I don't want it to index webpages visited or email. I have tried going into the Configuration > Backends and disabling KMail and Konqueror. This dis not have immediate effects, but after a while, it seemed to clear up the KMail index (which I wanted) but it is still indexing all the webpages I visit with Firefox (via the cache?) I tried telling it not to index /home/$USER/.mozilla, but it won't accept it as a valid directory path. All teh other indexing it is doing is fine... indexing specific directories, and not indexing directories I have explicitly excluded... all except Firefox now... So I am still looking for a way to stop it from indexing the visited websites. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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is still indexing all the webpages I visit with Firefox (via the cache?) I tried telling it not to index /home/$USER/.mozilla, but it won't accept it as a valid directory path.

Disable or uninstall the Firefox extension for beagle (the dog icon on the firefox status bar).

OK, did that and that stopped it from indexing the webpages (sometimes the answer is too obvious :-) )... in the end though I ended up removing Beagle... again. It started driving my CPU between 60% and 100% over a couple of hours (long after it had done it's initial indexing of only a smallish /home)... to the point it was even making the system freeze up... on an AMD64 X2 6400+ with 4GB of RAM.... in some cases I even had a full lock up for 5 to 10 seconds. Stopped the daemon and removed Beagle... the CPU settled back down to it's usual idle state... no more problems. Oh well... C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I assume you installed the newest version, not the one on the distro, didn't you?

I assume it is the latest version (beagle-0.2.12-28) The logs show errors like this: Beagle WARN: Extended attributes are not supported on this filesystem. Performance will suffer as a result. (it's running on a Reiser partition) and IndexH ERROR: Unable to open /path/to/document.doc (documents created in OOo and saved in MS Office format) and IndexH ERROR: ERROR_RTF_UNHANDLED_SYMBOL IndexH ERROR: Unhandled symbol: IndexH ERROR: , None I am trying it yet again this morning after a complete removal, including the .beagle directory, and then reinstall. I restricted the indexing down to just a subset of my /home/$USER. C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Though looking on http://beagle-project.org/SUSE_Installation it seems that they don't really care about openSUSE as latest mentioned version is openSUSE 10.2. Than looking on openSUSE download page, there is even

Sorry about that. With no opensuse developer or user working on beagle, that page was not touched in months. I bet if you checked the beagle pages for other distros, you would find the same state of stale information.

will bring version: * Installing: beagle-0.3.5-3 on your computer. Ops, this was Factory, the 10.2 will be beagle-0.3.3-9.3.

Yes, as everyone else is pointing out, any of the 0.3.x versions would work better. beagle-0.2.12-28 is just too old, sorry no guarantees there :P. - dBera -- ----------------------------------------------------- Debajyoti Bera @ http://dtecht.blogspot.com beagle / KDE / Mandriva / Inspiron-1100 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-04-13 at 09:54 +0200, Clayton wrote:

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I assume you installed the newest version, not the one on the distro, didn't you?

I assume it is the latest version (beagle-0.2.12-28)

You have 0.3.3-9.x in the Beagle repo, both for opensuse 10.2 and .3. Factory has beagle-0.3.5-3. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIAeC/tTMYHG2NR9URAirZAKCWZgDGj0N6fTJHjrjaIP0+HpvrowCeOyL8 WEnJ5q33vPm3FMDKXuu6nz0= =IPhn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-04-13 at 13:08 +0200, Clayton wrote:

And this shows how frustrating the myriad of competing openSUSE repositories is.. especially for new users... I have the http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/suse/i586 which is where I got the 0.2.12 version of Beagle.... which is the latest version in that "official" looking repository.

Sigh.... I'll add the separate Beagle repo and give the 0.3.x version a try.

You know that the official version of anything never changes during the life of a distro. You have to go to some other extra repo to find newer versions. And of course, the 0.3.x version may have newer bugs, but at least it should not have the ones you met. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIAlxztTMYHG2NR9URAll5AJ47gF7yspFXthNTtzOcIzkoQMMlAACdFhd/ 18fPxWA2rPa/X4Kd44I7dKE= =nDUu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-04-14 at 09:10 +0200, Clayton wrote:

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And of course, the 0.3.x version may have newer bugs, but at least it should not have the ones you met.

After installing the 0.3.x version for the Beagle repository, things seemed OK. About 2 hours later though (when the computer was sitting idle), CPU load was almost 100% on both cores and disk activity was off the scale. I left it run for another hour before in intervened and stopped the daemon. Actually.... just moving the mouse brought things back down to normal... I assume Beagle uses all it can for indexing while the computer is idle and when there is activity, it backs off?

Yes, that's correct. Did you remove the existing indexes before starting the new version? Perhaps one of the indexes was corrupt. Or you are hit by another bug on one of the scanners... beagle-info --status should tell you what it is doing. There are more options. I think there was one to "tail" the status, but I can't find it now.

I've seen Beagle work fine on another computer (running the default version on the 10.3 CD iso)... so I am guessing it must some weird problem I have with my computer that is only triggered by Beagle's indexing activity? Maybe a failing drive? I haven't had time to look into it yet...

Failing disk is not probable, you 'd get alarming reports on the log. Weird things, yes. A combination of files to index that beagle finds difficult to snuff, perhaps. Dunno, but it happens. There was info somewhere on how to pinpoint and report beagle problems. Maybe I can find it later, I saved it somewhere (mail indexing doesn't work on mine :-} ) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIAzEetTMYHG2NR9URAq0ZAJ4vGm9dIaVt1j9XUVKI3AyqFJKOzACghs6t YFYCyGhDrK80F5BpGkIbkTQ= =XV/b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

After installing the 0.3.x version for the Beagle repository, things seemed OK. About 2 hours later though (when the computer was sitting idle), CPU load was almost 100% on both cores and disk activity was off the scale. I left it run for another hour before in intervened and stopped the daemon. Actually.... just moving the mouse brought things back down to normal... I assume Beagle uses all it can for indexing while the computer is idle and when there is activity, it backs off?

Yes. It monitors the CPU load value and screensaver status to determine if the computer is idle. Since the initial indexing takes time, it tries to do it as fast as it can when it thinks the computer is idle. - dBera -- ----------------------------------------------------- Debajyoti Bera @ http://dtecht.blogspot.com beagle / KDE / Mandriva / Inspiron-1100 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton wrote:

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And of course, the 0.3.x version may have newer bugs, but at least it should not have the ones you met.

After installing the 0.3.x version for the Beagle repository, things seemed OK. About 2 hours later though (when the computer was sitting idle), CPU load was almost 100% on both cores and disk activity was off the scale. I left it run for another hour before in intervened and stopped the daemon. Actually.... just moving the mouse brought things back down to normal... I assume Beagle uses all it can for indexing while the computer is idle and when there is activity, it backs off?

If moving the mouse brings things back to normal, then I'd say beagle is working quite nicely. My gripe with beagle in the past was that it interfered with my other activities. If it now restricts its resource demands to periods when the machine is otherwise idle, I have no problem with it. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sam Clemens wrote:

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is still indexing all the webpages I visit with Firefox (via the cache?) I tried telling it not to index /home/$USER/.mozilla, but it won't accept it as a valid directory path.

Disable or uninstall the Firefox extension for beagle (the dog icon on the firefox status bar).

OK, did that and that stopped it from indexing the webpages (sometimes the answer is too obvious :-) )... in the end though I ended up removing Beagle... again. It started driving my CPU between 60% and 100% over a couple of hours (long after it had done it's initial indexing of only a smallish /home)... to the point it was even making the system freeze up... on an AMD64 X2 6400+ with 4GB of RAM.... in some cases I even had a full lock up for 5 to 10 seconds. Stopped the daemon and removed Beagle... the CPU settled back down to it's usual idle state... no more problems. Oh well...

The use of Mono as the programming language makes me suspicious that it will never be a very good program.

For one, Mono attracts the sorts of programmers who are most comfortable with a platform whose vendor sees bloat and peaked CPUs as nothing more than an opportunity for a sale when perfectly good hardware is needlessly replaced with newer hardware, rather than tidy up the code so that it runs efficiently.

So, I'm not confident that Beagle will ever be a satisfactory product until someone decides to rewrite it in a language which is not so closely associated with bloat as a positive sales force.

My experience with Beagle has been very similar. It makes my CPU spike to the point it's unusable. My machine is an Intel 3.2 GHz x86_64, 3 GB RAM and it comes to a crawl when Beagle is indexing. The same thing goes for the openSUSE updater tray applet. It's worse than Beagle. So much for having a patched, up-to-date system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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My experience with Beagle has been very similar. It makes my CPU spike to the point it's unusable. My machine is an Intel 3.2 GHz x86_64, 3 GB RAM and it comes to a crawl when Beagle is indexing.

Curious, which version of beagle (you last tried) ?

- dBera

Every version that has come included with openSUSE since it's introduction into the distro. The stock version that ships with openSUSE 10.3 is the same way. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Every version that has come included with openSUSE since it's introduction into the distro. The stock version that ships with openSUSE 10.3 is the same way.

I see. BTW, people have reported better performance with the newer 0.3.x series http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Beagle/openSUSE_10.3/i586/ (this is still 4 versions behind the latest one but should be better than the 10.3 stock version).

Hmm... maybe I'll have to consider trying that. I'm not in the habit of using beagle (or any similar tool), so I haven't missed it, to be honest. It's not that such a tool isn't useful, it's just not part of my work flow at this point. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org