[SLE] Linux Certification: LPI VS SAIR
I have been looking into the linux certification programs to see what must be learned to receive the certification. SuSE is listed with both the Linux Professional Institute and the Sair Linux & GNU Certification program. Both programs look good to me, but I was able to find more self study guides for the SAIR ( Software Archetecture Implimentation and Realization) series of certifications test. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of these competing certification programs? If so, which do you recommend? thanks in advance joe -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, joe lerch wrote:
Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of these competing certification programs? If so, which do you recommend?
My company is very active in LPI (the Linux Professional Institute, which is closely tied with Linux International), so the one that *we'd* be looking for on a candidate's resume' is LPI certification :). -- -=|JP|=- Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | Kansas City, MO /\\ 816-241-2641 x107 | http://www.atipa.com _\_V -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
I do not care for sair. They are money grubbing bottom feeders who only appeared when there was money to be made. LPI on the other hand is a Non Profit group who cares about the quality of the certification, not how many people can get through the course. It is my understanding that like the msce, one does not even need a computer to pass the sair test. I may be biased, since I have been doing what I could to support LPI. But We really do not need a bunch of msce type Linux "experts" running around. Flame Suit ON! joe lerch wrote:
I have been looking into the linux certification programs to see what must be learned to receive the certification. SuSE is listed with both the Linux Professional Institute and the Sair Linux & GNU Certification program. Both programs look good to me, but I was able to find more self study guides for the SAIR ( Software Archetecture Implimentation and Realization) series of certifications test.
Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of these competing certification programs? If so, which do you recommend?
thanks in advance
joe
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Michael H. Collins wrote: [snip]
But We really do not need a bunch of msce type Linux "experts" running around.
You mean like the executive secretary in my office that is most of the way done with his MCSE ($8100 at University of Phoenix), and can't tell the difference between coax cable and cat 5? I'm serious - he thinks cat 5 is coax. I would have to say the MCSE Networking Essentials course left something out. -- George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com Certified NACSE Senior Network Specialist, Master of Science Information Systems Linux/Unix System Administrator Web Master Network Administrator --> Looking for the right job in Ontario, California <-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On 11 Feb 00, at 7:04, George Toft wrote:
But We really do not need a bunch of msce type Linux "experts" running around.
You mean like the executive secretary in my office that is most of the way done with his MCSE ($8100 at University of Phoenix), and can't tell the difference between coax cable and cat 5? I'm serious - he thinks cat 5 is coax. I would have to say the MCSE Networking Essentials course left something out.
Yeah, but I would have to say that it depends on who's giving the course. I'm taking the Cisco CCNA classes through my local community college, and I was pretty impressed with the theoretical part of the course. It covered quite a bit more than the 5-credit data communications course I took in college. We also spent quite a bit of time on dealing with media. But, then, Cisco isn't Mickeysoft.... My employer sent me to a NT Core Technologies and Adminstering NT at New Horizons, however. What a joke! $1800 for a 5-day class and the instructor (Microsoft-certified) couldn't also simple questions about theory. It was like, "this is what's on the test, here's how you 'point and click' (and reboot), don't worry about the rest-- it's not important." It might be real amusing to take a class in administering Ex#%$nge from someone like that. Then, there was this MicroAge I interviewed at. According to the certificates on the wall, the boss was a MicroAge-certified Unix System Administrator. This guy looked at my resume and asked me about X-windows. Seems he'd never been able to get it to work.... Cheers, Dennis "Custard pies are a sort of esperanto: a universal language." --Noel Godin -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Dennis Soper wrote:
On 11 Feb 00, at 7:04, George Toft wrote:
But We really do not need a bunch of msce type Linux "experts" running around.
You mean like the executive secretary in my office that is most of the way done with his MCSE ($8100 at University of Phoenix), and can't tell the difference between coax cable and cat 5? I'm serious - he thinks cat 5 is coax. I would have to say the MCSE Networking Essentials course left something out.
Yeah, but I would have to say that it depends on who's giving the course. I'm taking the Cisco CCNA classes through my local community college, and I was pretty impressed with the theoretical part of the course. It covered quite a bit more than the 5-credit data communications course I took in college. We also spent quite a bit of time on dealing with media. But, then, Cisco isn't Mickeysoft....
My employer sent me to a NT Core Technologies and Adminstering NT at New Horizons, however. What a joke! $1800 for a 5-day class and the instructor (Microsoft-certified) couldn't also simple questions about theory. It was like, "this is what's on the test, here's how you 'point and click' (and reboot), don't worry about the rest-- it's not important." It might be real amusing to take a class in administering Ex#%$nge from someone like that.
I had one instructor that was enthusiastic, taught much more than what was on the tests, and could answer any of our questions, he was awesome. Then I had two instructors that read from the book and couldn't troubleshoot to save their lives. From then on I did the rest of the MS stuff as self-study along along with the Cisco and Novell stuff. It's too much of a crap shoot on the type of instructor you're going to get. Greg -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
This is how I got my MCSE. Through home study. And this is how I am getting my experience with Linux. There is no better way to learn than to figure it out for yourself. CK -----Original Message----- From: Greg Thomas [mailto:ethant@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 12:43 PM To: dsoper@efn.org Cc: suse-linux-e Subject: Re: [SLE] Linux Certification: LPI VS SAIR I had one instructor that was enthusiastic, taught much more than what was on the tests, and could answer any of our questions, he was awesome. Then I had two instructors that read from the book and couldn't troubleshoot to save their lives. From then on I did the rest of the MS stuff as self-study along along with the Cisco and Novell stuff. It's too much of a crap shoot on the type of instructor you're going to get. Greg -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
But We really do not need a bunch of msce type Linux "experts" running
MSCE is the talk where I work, rumors are hot and heavy that having that certificate will get you more than a 4 year degree in computer science, many are taking the courses. I find it hard to believe, but recently a fellow quit for a better paying position primarily because he got the msce. I would like to learn more about linux and possibly get certified, but not sure which way to go. I couldn't find any books on LPI but did find some on SAIR. It's still early enough that I can switch any time. Also I believe that any study material I use will be some what helpful, even if it is not the best. joe -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
joe lerch wrote:
But We really do not need a bunch of msce type Linux "experts" running
MSCE is the talk where I work
Is that ``Master of Science in Computer Engineering'' or something else? What academic department usually offers it - computer science, electrical engineering, or what? Any relationship to the requirements for software engineering licensing that's now brewing in Texas? Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, you wrote:
joe lerch wrote:
But We really do not need a bunch of msce type Linux "experts" running
MSCE is the talk where I work
Is that ``Master of Science in Computer Engineering'' or something else? What academic department usually offers it - computer science, electrical engineering, or what? Any relationship to the requirements for software engineering licensing that's now brewing in Texas?
Sorry, that was my mistake, read the orginal post wrong, thought it was MCSE , Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer. At any rate, the place where I work (non-military government), the latest talk is that being Microsoft certified will get you more than a college degree. Of course we have a lot of paper experts running around that can talk about things all day long, but you never see them actually do anything. joe -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
joe lerch wrote:
Sorry, that was my mistake, read the orginal post wrong, thought it was MCSE , Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer.
An interesting bit of puffery, that. I wonder if in reality the qualification is MCSE or CMSE (Certified Microsoft Systems Engineer). I have no experience whatsoever with the program, but I wonder how much is in it that isn't MS-specific. I wouldn't expect them to have anything about Linux (except, perhaps, for a 20-point question on how to uninstall it), but I'm curious as to how much system-independent knowledge is in the exam, be it knowing the right kind of cable to use for a certain connection (the issue you raised), the fundamental principles of object-oriented programming, or the ideas behind public-key cryptosystems and zero-knowledge proofs. Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
There is some of that, the Network Essentials part covers the non OS specific parts of a network. But then it stays mostly on track in NT Server, Workstation, Enterprise et al. The only mention of other OS's is how you can access them from NT. At 04:21 PM 2/11/2000 , you wrote:
in the exam, be it knowing the right kind of cable to use for a certain connection (the issue you raised), the fundamental principles of object-oriented
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Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
joe lerch wrote:
Sorry, that was my mistake, read the orginal post wrong, thought it was MCSE , Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer.
An interesting bit of puffery, that. I wonder if in reality the qualification is MCSE or CMSE (Certified Microsoft Systems Engineer). I have no experience whatsoever with the program, but I wonder how much is in it that isn't MS-specific.
An MCP (Microsoft Certified Professional) and an MCSE both told me: There is the right answer, the wrong answer, and the Microsoft answer. To pass the MCSE, you must ignore the right answers and provide the answers that Microsoft has given you in your books.
I wouldn't expect them to have anything about Linux (except, perhaps, for a 20-point question on how to uninstall it),
Which, by the way, the instruction on their web site will leave the poor victim with a useless computer. No Linux, no DOS.
but I'm curious as to how much system-independent knowledge is in the exam, be it knowing the right kind of cable to use for a certain connection (the issue you raised), the fundamental principles of object-oriented programming, or the ideas behind public-key cryptosystems and zero-knowledge proofs.
Not much (read as zip, zilch, nada). -- George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com Certified NACSE Senior Network Specialist, Master of Science Information Systems Linux/Unix System Administrator Web Master Network Administrator --> Looking for the right job in Ontario, California <-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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