can I get better fonts?
I'm using SUSE 8.2, I installed my true type fonts from windows, turn on the anti aliasing, but still I feel like the fonts should be better... I'm not sure if I doning something wrong, I'm kind of new to Linux, or if I need to do something special because I'm a laptop user, but you people tell me something, your fonts are as good as the one in windows?, or I'm asking too much? If yours are good enough, how did you get it to work. So far my tru types looks like blur on the edge, effect that make me have a headache after a couple of minutes reading emails or something. Can I do something to improve my fonts? Other problem is, there are some program that seems not to use any of my selected fonts. I'm using yahoo messenegr, I know taht is an old version and maybe that's the problem, but that one and openoffice have a very poor fonts. I think I found the way of changing the font on openoffice, I have to try tonight, but there's anything I can do with the yahoo to take the fonts of the system? Thanks in advance. /Juan C. Gallardo
On Monday 16 June 2003 22:44, jgamo@cantv.net wrote:
I'm using SUSE 8.2, I installed my true type fonts from windows, turn on the anti aliasing, but still I feel like the fonts should be better... I'm not sure if I doning something wrong, I'm kind of new to Linux, or if I need to do something special because I'm a laptop user, but you people tell me something, your fonts are as good as the one in windows?, or I'm asking too much?
Better than windows on the same box, same monitor, same video card. I have a couple identical machines one with 98 and the other with Suse 8.2 and the AntiAliased fonts are just stunningly good. I've heard of others that complain of fuzzy fonts and even exchanged screen snapshots with them, but of course, the snapshot is what the video card puts out, not what the eye takes in, so the excercise was a waste of time. Whats the highest resolution you have available? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:44:39 -0400
"jgamo@cantv.net"
I'm not sure if I doning something wrong, I'm kind of new to Linux, or if I need to do something special because I'm a laptop user,
Yes, for LCD screen you have to play around with the sub-pixel hinting option.
I'm using yahoo messenegr, I know taht is an old version and maybe that's the problem,
Don't know about Yahoo messenger.
but that one and openoffice have a very poor fonts.
IIRC, you have to enable anti-alias fonts in the preferences of OpenOffice.org. Charles -- "Oh, I've seen copies [of Linux Journal] around the terminal room at The Labs." (By Dennis Ritchie)
* Charles Philip Chan (cpchan@sympatico.ca) [030617 00:08]: -> ->> I'm using yahoo messenegr, I know taht is an old version and maybe ->> that's the problem, -> ->Don't know about Yahoo messenger. -> Yahoo Messenger is a GTK1 program and the fonts have NEVER been acceptable. I believe GAIM has a yahoo messenger plugin so that it works with Yahoo's service. You might investigate this. GAIM 0.64.x is wonderful. The fonts are great. If you use QtCurve or Geramik then you can have GTK1, GTK2 and KDE 3.x apps all with the same theme and everything looks quite nice. GAIM even has the ability to put itself in the system tray ..which is damn cool. :) Ben -- The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction. ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:18:08 -0700
Ben Rosenberg
Yahoo Messenger is a GTK1 program and the fonts have NEVER been acceptable.
I see. To enable anti-aliasing for that app, one have to: (1) Download and compile gdkxft (http://gdkxft.sourceforge.net/) (2) In order to have anti-alias font for gtk 1.x app and gtk 2.x app at the same time, the gtk 1.x app either: (a) have to be recompiled to link to libgdkxft.so or (b) start it with a wrapper script to preload the lib, ie- #!/bin/sh export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/gdkxft.so command_to_start_yahoo_messenger Charles -- if (argc > 1 && strcmp(argv[1], "-advice") == 0) { printf("Don't Panic!\n"); exit(42); } (Arnold Robbins in the LJ of February '95, describing RCS)
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 7:44 am, jgamo@cantv.net wrote:
I'm using SUSE 8.2, I installed my true type fonts from windows, turn on the anti aliasing, but still I feel like the fonts should be better... I'm not sure if I doning something wrong, I'm kind of new to Linux, or if I need to do something special because I'm a laptop user, but you people tell me something, your fonts are as good as the one in windows?, or I'm asking too much?
Mine are better. ;-) I very occasionally run Win98 and I've not bothered with font-smoothing in Windows.
If yours are good enough, how did you get it to work. So far my tru types looks like blur on the edge, effect that make me have a headache after a couple of minutes reading emails or something. Can I do something to improve my fonts?
Could be something to do with the anti-aliasing settings. If you're using KDE, go to the KDE control centre->Appearance & Themes->Fonts. Change the settings for sub-pixel hinting. Could be your LCD has it's pixel colours in different order. My LCD panel monitor works well with RGB. Yours may use BGR. YMMV. You could also try installing a newer freetype, which has several subtle improvements over the one supplied with 8.2. RPMs for 2.1.4 available ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mfabian/8.2-i586
Other problem is, there are some program that seems not to use any of my selected fonts. I'm using yahoo messenegr, I know taht is an old version and maybe that's the problem, but that one and openoffice have a very poor fonts. I think I found the way of changing the font on openoffice, I have to try tonight,
In Options->View, I found I had to set screen antialiasing to on, from 1 pixel and increase the scale to 110% before it would work. OpenOffice.org 1.0.x also uses an old version of Freetype, so the fonts are still not up to the standard of KDE. The 1.1beta2 available from OpenOffice.org is much better.
but there's anything I can do with the yahoo to take the fonts of the system?
I believe it uses GTK 1.2. There is a way to use antialiased fonts with GTK1.2 programs, but it's very hacky and I've not bothered. Will one of the KDE messengers work with Yahoo? Regards, Jason
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 7:44 am, jgamo@cantv.net wrote:
I'm using SUSE 8.2, I installed my true type fonts from windows, turn on the anti aliasing, but still I feel like the fonts should be better... I'm not sure if I doning something wrong, I'm kind of new to Linux, or if I need to do something special because I'm a laptop user, but you people tell me something, your fonts are as good as the one in windows?, or I'm asking too much?
Mine are better. ;-) I very occasionally run Win98 and I've not bothered with font-smoothing in Windows.
If yours are good enough, how did you get it to work. So far my tru types looks like blur on the edge, effect that make me have a headache after a couple of minutes reading emails or something. Can I do something to improve my fonts?
Could be something to do with the anti-aliasing settings. If you're using KDE, go to the KDE control centre->Appearance & Themes->Fonts. Change the settings for sub-pixel hinting. Could be your LCD has it's pixel colours in different order. My LCD panel monitor works well with RGB. Yours may use BGR. YMMV.
You could also try installing a newer freetype, which has several subtle improvements over the one supplied with 8.2. RPMs for 2.1.4 available ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mfabian/8.2-i586
Other problem is, there are some program that seems not to use any of my selected fonts. I'm using yahoo messenegr, I know taht is an old version and maybe
the problem, but that one and openoffice have a very poor fonts. I think I found the way of changing the font on openoffice, I have to try tonight,
In Options->View, I found I had to set screen antialiasing to on, from 1
Hey jason, I'll try this as soon as I get home!
Yes I'm using KDE, and I'll try the sub-pixel thing.
Another question is what is the freetype, and how can I check which one do I
have?
It should be the old one since I just installed the suse 8.2 from the box.
And if anyone knows about one of the KDE messenger that I can use to plug to
the yahoo network please can you let me know, so far I haven't found it.
Thanks
Juan C. Gallardo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason"
and increase the scale to 110% before it would work. OpenOffice.org 1.0.x also uses an old version of Freetype, so the fonts are still not up to the standard of KDE. The 1.1beta2 available from OpenOffice.org is much better.
but there's anything I can do with the yahoo to take the fonts of the system?
I believe it uses GTK 1.2. There is a way to use antialiased fonts with GTK1.2 programs, but it's very hacky and I've not bothered. Will one of the KDE messengers work with Yahoo?
Regards,
Jason
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Hi, On Tuesday 17 June 2003 8:16 am, Juan C. Gallardo wrote:
Hey jason, I'll try this as soon as I get home!
Yes I'm using KDE, and I'll try the sub-pixel thing. Another question is what is the freetype, and how can I check which one do I have? It should be the old one since I just installed the suse 8.2 from the box.
It's probably 2.1.3, then. You can use Yast, or type: rpm -q freetype2 as root in Konsole mine returns: # rpm -q freetype2 freetype2-2.1.4-0 Regards, Jason <snip>
Jason wrote:
Mine are better. ;-) I very occasionally run Win98 and I've not bothered with font-smoothing in Windows.
Mine too *8-) I had to reboot into XP yesterday for the first time in months - and I immediately noticed how ropey it looks compared to KDE. sjb
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 02:44, jgamo@cantv.net wrote:
I'm using SUSE 8.2, I installed my true type fonts from windows, turn on the anti aliasing, but still I feel like the fonts should be better... I'm not sure if I doning something wrong, I'm kind of new to Linux, or if I need to do something special because I'm a laptop user, but you people tell me something, your fonts are as good as the one in windows?, or I'm asking too much? If yours are good enough, how did you get it to work. So far my tru types looks like blur on the edge, effect that make me have a headache after a couple of minutes reading emails or something. Can I do something to improve my fonts?
Other problem is, there are some program that seems not to use any of my selected fonts. I'm using yahoo messenegr, I know taht is an old version and maybe that's the problem, but that one and openoffice have a very poor fonts. I think I found the way of changing the font on openoffice, I have to try tonight, but there's anything I can do with the yahoo to take the fonts of the system?
Thanks in advance.
/Juan C. Gallardo ===============
Juan, Welcome to the world of SuSE! I think you will find everything to your liking, once you get the little niggling problems like this worked out. As the other guys have mentioned already, update your freetype2, which will help a lot. Also, a new QT3 would certainly go a long way to clear things up even more. You may want to hold off on that for a while until you get a better feel of things though. Since your yahoo messenger is a GTK/Gnome program, you might want to visit this site to pick up the new Bitstream Vera fonts. There is a script included with it with directions where to put it, so that Gnome uses the fonts automatically. The fonts provide a much nicer look for all programs and I even use them for KDE as well. Very nice fonts, these are a must have! Here is your site URL: http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ Also, to replace your yahoo messenger, use Gaim as Ben mentions. It covers all the different chat services available in one program and does it nicely. Kopete is also a good program for this, but not quite as polished as Gaim. Patrick -- --- KMail v1.5.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
* BandiPat (penguin0601@earthlink.net) [030617 09:02]: -> ->Since your yahoo messenger is a GTK/Gnome program, you might want to ->visit this site to pick up the new Bitstream Vera fonts. There is a ->script included with it with directions where to put it, so that Gnome ->uses the fonts automatically. The fonts provide a much nicer look for ->all programs and I even use them for KDE as well. Very nice fonts, ->these are a must have! ->Here is your site URL: http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ -> ->Also, to replace your yahoo messenger, use Gaim as Ben mentions. It ->covers all the different chat services available in one program and ->does it nicely. Kopete is also a good program for this, but not quite ->as polished as Gaim. Yes, the Bitstream fonts are quite nice. But GTK1 programs still have issues using TTF/Anti-Alias fonts. It's just the nature of the beast. Those fonts will look quite nice with all the GTK2 programs but unless the kludges mentioned before are done..GTK1 programs will still have issues. Concidering how far behind such programs as AIM and Yahoo! Messenger have always been under Linux when when are not written by the community. I doubt that these programs will catch up and use GTK2 anytime soon. It's most likely best to use GAIM for such things. -- The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction. ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org
My biggest problem with the GTK application is not that the fonts are ugly,
is that I can't see it because they are too small, and the only way to
enlarge them is through the gnome-control-center, which only works while
it's open, once closed the ofnt's return to the same size... which is
something that I don't want.
How can I do to make this change permanent?
Juan C. Gallardo
----- Original Message -----
From: "BandiPat"
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 02:44, jgamo@cantv.net wrote:
I'm using SUSE 8.2, I installed my true type fonts from windows, turn on the anti aliasing, but still I feel like the fonts should be better... I'm not sure if I doning something wrong, I'm kind of new to Linux, or if I need to do something special because I'm a laptop user, but you people tell me something, your fonts are as good as the one in windows?, or I'm asking too much? If yours are good enough, how did you get it to work. So far my tru types looks like blur on the edge, effect that make me have a headache after a couple of minutes reading emails or something. Can I do something to improve my fonts?
Other problem is, there are some program that seems not to use any of my selected fonts. I'm using yahoo messenegr, I know taht is an old version and maybe that's the problem, but that one and openoffice have a very poor fonts. I think I found the way of changing the font on openoffice, I have to try tonight, but there's anything I can do with the yahoo to take the fonts of the system?
Thanks in advance.
/Juan C. Gallardo ===============
Juan, Welcome to the world of SuSE! I think you will find everything to your liking, once you get the little niggling problems like this worked out. As the other guys have mentioned already, update your freetype2, which will help a lot. Also, a new QT3 would certainly go a long way to clear things up even more. You may want to hold off on that for a while until you get a better feel of things though.
Since your yahoo messenger is a GTK/Gnome program, you might want to visit this site to pick up the new Bitstream Vera fonts. There is a script included with it with directions where to put it, so that Gnome uses the fonts automatically. The fonts provide a much nicer look for all programs and I even use them for KDE as well. Very nice fonts, these are a must have! Here is your site URL: http://www.gnome.org/fonts/
Also, to replace your yahoo messenger, use Gaim as Ben mentions. It covers all the different chat services available in one program and does it nicely. Kopete is also a good program for this, but not quite as polished as Gaim.
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On Wednesday 18 June 2003 06:45, Juan C. Gallardo wrote:
My biggest problem with the GTK application is not that the fonts are ugly, is that I can't see it because they are too small, and the only way to enlarge them is through the gnome-control-center, which only works while it's open, once closed the ofnt's return to the same size... which is something that I don't want. How can I do to make this change permanent?
Juan C. Gallardo
================= Juan, If you are talking about GTK 1.4 apps, you are not likely to see much difference with those. Gnome2 significantly improved things as far as font handling is concerned. Again, you need to get the Bitstream fonts we mentioned and I think you will see a noticeable difference right away. The problem you are experiencing has been one of the many complaints I have had with Gnome 1.x series, but Gnome2 is clearing up much of that. In fact, I believe all those programs converted to Gnome2 may even have font adjustments built into the programs now for size & style. Check your program to see if it is there in the preferences. If you are wanting to use Gnome as your gui, then you might want to consider getting the latest Ximian Desktop 2, which should give you a much better environment. Patrick -- --- KMail v1.5.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
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