On 08/09/2011 02:06 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

ianseeks said the following on 08/09/2011 03:04 AM:

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Hi

I've finally thought of a reason to use Activities but I'm sot sure if its going to work.

Can i have a separate instance of kontact/kmail2 in each activity serving different email accounts?

That sounds more like a reason to use

EITHER Thunderbird (I have about 20 such accounts in one instance) OR Fetchmail to bring all the accounts togehte to one respository I do this as well

Of course, not everyone prefers Thunderbird to Kmail. I don't, for example, which is one of the reasons I will return to KDE3 so I can use the unadorned Kmail. Perhaps "ianseeks" has a reason for wanting to run several instances of Kmail. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 08/09/2011 04:39 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

Stan Goodman said the following on 08/09/2011 09:14 AM:

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Of course, not everyone prefers Thunderbird to Kmail. I don't, for example, which is one of the reasons I will return to KDE3 so I can use the unadorned Kmail.

There's a bit of illogic there. You don't like Kmail2 -- I emphasise the "2" -- so return to KDE3 rather than use, as I do, the very capable and extensible Thunderbird under KDE4.

If you can read my first paragraph above with an open mind, you will see that my own preference is an example for the first statement, which is that not everyone prefers Thunderbird. That's why I didn't give any detain or reason for my preference: it is irrelevant. What, then, was my point? That the OP asked a specific question, which you failed to address, giving instead an answer to an entirel different question about the virtues of Thunderbird for maintaining multiple accounts, although you don't know that he is interested in multiple accounts, IOW, evangelizing for TB. For the record, I have been using TB for about a month, have added a fair number of extensions, see the flexibility and some advantages it has over KDE, and conclude it is not as well organized as KDE3, which I prefer. If one can avoid a totalitarian approach, there is little fault to be drawn about that, because it is all subjective. I get to chose my own preferences, which, by the way, was (at least formerly) one of the advantages of Linux over Windows.

Its not clear where your prejudices lie. Many who like KDE4 don't like what's happened to Kmail in version 2. Perhaps Ian is one of them. Perhaps the functionality of many accounts is more important than retreating to KDE3 and loosing other features and benefits of KDE4 and applications that run under KDE4 or have fixes for running under KDE4.

Why are my preferences "prejudices", Anton? Are yours also prejudices? Is the use of Activities obligatory? Or perhaps they are a facility that is available for those who need or want them. Not everyone wants or needs all the additional functionality which passes for "Progress" in KDE, and others do not need to be called names or humiliated for wanting a different, maybe even smaller) set of features. The term "bells and whistles" comes to mind.

But then again, KDE3 doesn't support "activities" so unless Kmail _does_ support multiple accounts like Thunderbird that won't be a solution for Ian.

Perhaps so. You didn't really address his question.

The real advantage I see in Kmail2 over Thunderbird is integration into the KDE4 context, use of the shared libraries and storage and indexing. (When its all working, of course.)

Of course if you don't use KDE all the time, if you use other DMs, then that's not an advantage and using Thunderbird _is_ of benefit.

It can be of benefit for one person and not for another. Just as in a previous discussion, you don't really internalize the "Different strokes for different folks" criterion. Not everyone gets a great buzz from the "WOW" effect.

A few years ago I tried Kmail under KDE3 and last year under KDE4. In terms of the UI and user features it compares poorly with Thunderbird; but then I have half a dozen extensions for Thunderbird that have no equivalent under Kmail.

Again, you generalize from your own experiences, purposes, and expectations. Not everyone has them; some, indeed, have other ones.

I can understand avoiding Kmail2 because of Kmail2 development and integration problems such as those that have been reported here recently. But sorry, I have little time for dishonest recidivism*.

I couldn't remember the word (I had a mini-stroke a couple of years ago, and sometimes vocabulary escapes me), but "recidivist" was what you called me when we discussed a similar theme some time ago. Why do you fall back on name-calling? One is not, Anton, a recidivist because he perceives that more complication than he needs is being forced on him, whether or not his opinion is more correct than yours. Not everyone NEEDS to go where no man has gone before. It would be hard for you to understand that if you don't connect the growing pains of KDE4 with the pressure to add ever more untried innovation for the purpose of one size fits all functionality.

Honest recidivism, running KDE3 on a machine from 2002 with 256M of memory and a 60G drive, in an office with incandescent lighting where you've driven to in a car that uses leaded fuel and has tires with inner tubes ... that's another matter. That kind of recidivism I can admire :-)

[The machine I recently replaced with this i5 one was built in that year. =;-)8 ] I like to think I'm honest; why are you now calling me a _dishonest_ recidivist? Dishonest, in my book, means "liar"; is that what you are calling me, Anton? I am absolutely floored by your repeated use of the term, which appears to represent a fundamental characteristic in your psyche, and even more so by the contempt you hold (according to your final paragraph) for those who simply disagree with you or "hear a different drummer". Fortunate that you have no means of enforcement. * For those for whom this word (which is very rarely encountered in technical context) is unfamiliar, Google is your friend. -- SG -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 09 Aug 2011 13:15:23 Anton Aylward wrote:

Stan Goodman said the following on 08/09/2011 11:06 AM:

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That the OP asked a specific question, which you failed to address, giving instead an answer to an entirel different question about the virtues of Thunderbird for maintaining multiple accounts, although you don't know that he is interested in multiple accounts, IOW, evangelizing for TB.

Stan, please!

Have a sense of humour! :-) ;-) :-)

How many smilies does it take?

And Ian asked about multiple accounts. I described TWO means of achieving that end. I didn't quite ask that, i asked about splitting my accounts up via activities and separate instances of kmail2 instead of having multiple logins to split up my work activities. So in your opinion, even mentioning TB is "evangelising". No, I waited to do that until I was replying to you :-) You responded just as I expected. ;-)

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For the record, I have been using TB for about a month, have added a fair number of extensions, see the flexibility and some advantages it has over KDE, and conclude it is not as well organized as KDE3, which I prefer.

To quote someone .. "There you go again".

Yes, TB has advantages over KDE ... as a mail reader. That's because TB _is_ a mail reader, a MUI, whereas KDE is a desktop manager. I wouldn't try to organise my desktop with TB. :-)

Now, tell me, when you're not using KDE ...3 is it? ... what mail reader do you normally use? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 08/09/2011 08:44 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

ianseeks said the following on 08/09/2011 01:34 PM:

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And Ian asked about multiple accounts. I described TWO means of achieving that end.

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I didn't quite ask that, i asked about splitting my accounts up via activities and separate instances of kmail2 instead of having multiple logins to split up my work activities.

Actually you hypothesised that having separate instances was a possible use of activities. You then asked a rather open ended question about its feasibility because you weren't sure.

I thought his original query was quite clear. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 08/09/2011 09:16 PM, phanisvara das wrote:

On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:42:25 +0530, Stan Goodman wrote:

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On 08/09/2011 08:44 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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ianseeks said the following on 08/09/2011 01:34 PM:

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And Ian asked about multiple accounts. I described TWO means of achieving that end.

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I didn't quite ask that, i asked about splitting my accounts up via activities and separate instances of kmail2 instead of having multiple logins to split up my work activities.

Actually you hypothesised that having separate instances was a possible use of activities. You then asked a rather open ended question about its feasibility because you weren't sure.

I thought his original query was quite clear.

it was, actually:

---------------- "Can i have a separate instance of kontact/kmail2 in each activity serving different email accounts? And separate instances of other apps like browsers?" ----------------

and the answer is: no, at least in regards to kontact and mail accounts. different "browser instances" are possible, not depending on activities. it's called "sessions" in konqueror.

somehow this thread got side-tracked a little.

It did. But it's over now. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 22:59:12 +0530, ianseeks wrote:

i currently have numerous accounts in one instance of kmail but iwant to split them up so i don't mix home/work/mailing lists etc hence asking about activities rather than splitting them via different logins. but thanks for your comment

as far as i know, you can't have "different instances" of kmail, with different configurations. any kmail you open while logged into your user account will have the same configuration, i.e., mail servers, mailing lists, etc., under any activity. what you can do is choose not to update IMAP servers automatically and keep the folders folded up while you don't want to deal with them, and update those folders manually only. to do what you want i'm afraid you'll have to use different applications. i'm using opera mail, per example, for mailing lists and forums (NNTP), and kmail for my personal mail. sometimes i open thunderbird or evolution and connect them to mail servers i manage remotely, but usually i just use alpine via SSH for that. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

ianseeks said the following on 08/09/2011 01:29 PM:

i currently have numerous accounts in one instance of kmail but iwant to split them up so i don't mix home/work/mailing lists etc hence asking about activities rather than splitting them via different logins. but thanks for your comment

I have many accounts but use them primarily for outgoing. As you can see, this message has "opensuse@" Incoming, procmail puts opensuse messages in the opensuse folder. The input to procmail is fetchmail that fetches from all the accounts, including "opensuse@". I have a half dozen domains, Two of them are two different 'work' accounts. I don't have 'other' mail delivered to the 'inbox' names 'anton' in /var/spool/mail That is unused. Procmail delivers to a number of named "InBoxen" in ~/Mail/ Thus I can see the mail to be dealt with in the various folders without having to flip screens (be they virtual desktops or activities). This is a pretty easy to set up arrangement and easy to extend. In reality fetchmail and procmail do all the hard work, so it doesn't really matter what mailer I use. The real difference is in the "indexing". And that's where talk of KMail2 makes me nervous 'cos it raises questions that aren't getting answered. All those folders, the InBoxen, all reside on the mail server, not on my laptop. I read the laptop using Thunderbird that connects to the mail server via IMAP. So I can use this 'desktop replacement' laptop on my desk, or the dinky one when I'm on the patio. I can access this remotely though my firewall using TLS/IMAP-S Except for the speed it all looks just the same. There are other IMAP mail readers I could use ... I just like TB cos plugins to things like signatures, PGP, other nice things :-) The mail server imap server does indexing. My laptop doesn't need to. So when I read about Kmail2 and its integration with Akonadi and Nepomuk I get worried. They are doing sore, they are doing etch, they are doing indexing. WTF! I'm already doing indexing with my IMAP server! If I were to use a database for dovecot **ON THE MAIL SERVER** that raises the question ... what is akonadi/nepomuk doing on my laptop? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 08/09/2011 02:32 PM, John Andersen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On 8/9/2011 12:04 AM, ianseeks wrote:

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Hi

I've finally thought of a reason to use Activities but I'm sot sure if its going to work.

Can i have a separate instance of kontact/kmail2 in each activity serving different email accounts? And separate instances of other apps like browsers?

At the moment i have different logins to do this type of thing.

regards

Ian

Kmail is perfectly capable of handling multiple email accounts and keeping everything distinct

But that is not the question! He wants multiple instances of Kmail running, one for each account. What he will be able to do is: start a separate konsole for each account su - (to the other account, one at a time) and kmail & That will start a separate instance running in the other users environment. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 09/08/11 21:11, phanisvara das wrote:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:22:35 +0530, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On 08/09/2011 02:32 PM, John Andersen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 8/9/2011 12:04 AM, ianseeks wrote:

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Hi

I've finally thought of a reason to use Activities but I'm sot sure if its going to work.

Can i have a separate instance of kontact/kmail2 in each activity serving different email accounts? And separate instances of other apps like browsers?

At the moment i have different logins to do this type of thing.

regards

Ian

Kmail is perfectly capable of handling multiple email accounts and keeping everything distinct

But that is not the question! He wants multiple instances of Kmail running, one for each account.

What he will be able to do is:

start a separate konsole for each account

su - (to the other account, one at a time) and

kmail &

That will start a separate instance running in the other users environment.

hm, i tried that just now, and got this result:

unnamed app(6535)/kontact (interfaces): Cannot find the D-Bus session server

seems not the whole session is started, only the environment.

Try maybe kdesu -u ${user} instead, maybe that will setup dbus properly Or you could try 'dbus-launch kmail' as the command Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 09/08/11 22:22, phanisvara das wrote:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:03:54 +0530, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:

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start a separate konsole for each account su - (to the other account, one at a time) and kmail & That will start a separate instance running in the other users environment. hm, i tried that just now, and got this result: unnamed app(6535)/kontact (interfaces): Cannot find the D-Bus session server seems not the whole session is started, only the environment. Try maybe kdesu -u ${user} instead, maybe that will setup dbus properly Or you could try 'dbus-launch kmail' as the command

trying dbus-launch: "kmail: cannot connect to X server"

"kdesu -u ${user}" didn't work either, but i finally got kmail started, for a different user session, with this command:

kdesu -u <other user name> kmail &

That is exactly what i meant by ${user}, not literally "${user}" :) Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 8/9/2011 12:52 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

But that is not the question! He wants multiple instances of Kmail running, one for each account.

What he will be able to do is:

start a separate konsole for each account

su - (to the other account, one at a time) and

kmail &

That will start a separate instance running in the other users environment.

-- Ken Schneider

I didn't see the part where he wanted to manage kmail for different USER accounts on the machine, (in which case a simple su or better yet ssh would keep everything separate). I saw the message as wanting to handle different Email accounts from different providers some of which may be on other servers (gmail, isp, work, etc). -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 09 Aug 2011 14:26:11 John Andersen wrote:

On 8/9/2011 12:52 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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But that is not the question! He wants multiple instances of Kmail running, one for each account.

What he will be able to do is:

start a separate konsole for each account

su - (to the other account, one at a time) and

kmail &

That will start a separate instance running in the other users environment.

-- Ken Schneider

I didn't see the part where he wanted to manage kmail for different USER accounts on the machine, (in which case a simple su or better yet ssh would keep everything separate).

I saw the message as wanting to handle different Email accounts from different providers some of which may be on other servers (gmail, isp, work, etc). I have 3 activities, work, personal and mailing lists each using different email addresses. At the moment i've separated them by creating 3 KDE users so i have to login and out of each of them. I saw a possibility of activities allowing me to have only one KDE login and 3 separate activities. Within each activity i'd have an instance of kontact/kmail configured for the correct email addresses/contacts etc so it was just a matter of changing activity instead of logging in and out a few times. Pure laziness on my part but i thought it made Activities useful for me but as it cant have separate instances of programs I don't really see its useful to me without being overkill.

thanks for all the comments. regards Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 10 Aug 2011 14:14:14 phanisvara das wrote:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:11:31 +0530, ianseeks wrote:

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I have 3 activities, work, personal and mailing lists each using different email addresses. At the moment i've separated them by creating 3 KDE users so i have to login and out of each of them. I saw a possibility of activities allowing me to have only one KDE login and 3 separate activities. Within each activity i'd have an instance of kontact/kmail configured for the correct email addresses/contacts etc so it was just a matter of changing activity instead of logging in and out a few times. Pure laziness on my part but i thought it made Activities useful for me but as it cant have separate instances of programs I don't really see its useful to me without being overkill.

as became clear from a separate discussion within this thread, you can do what you want by starting kmail for a different user, from within your present user session, using this command:

kdesu -u <your other user> kmail &

still, it would be much easier if you simply set up different "identities" within kmail. then you can choose, for every mail you send, from which email address it will originate; no need to use different sessions or user accounts for that.

this feature is available in kmail under settings -> configure kmail ->identities. of course, you will have to set up separate accounts for these identities, to receive as well as send mail. I already have separate identities in kmail. i wanted total separation between each activity. i will try your kdesu suggestion at the weekend, thanks.

i suppose i should make this a wishlist item. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* ianseeks [08-10-11 03:43]:

I have 3 activities, work, personal and mailing lists each using different email addresses. At the moment i've separated them by creating 3 KDE users so i have to login and out of each of them. I saw a possibility of activities allowing me to have only one KDE login and 3 separate activities. Within each activity i'd have an instance of kontact/kmail configured for the correct email addresses/contacts etc so it was just a matter of changing activity instead of logging in and out a few times. Pure laziness on my part but i thought it made Activities useful for me but as it cant have separate instances of programs I don't really see its useful to me without being overkill.

For the "laziness factor", you know you can maintain three logins in separate tty's w/o the need to login/logout/login/..... X normally starts in tty #7 you can start another session in tty #8 by: startkde -- :1 will start a login screen for kde in the next available tty screen likewise, "startkde -- :2" will start another in the next available screen. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org