If you like installing Linux, then October is defnitely a good month, with the SUSE release being joined by the now released Ubuntu 5.10 and Mandriva Linux 2006. Before I installed SUSE 10.0 GM, I had a go at Ubuntu 5.10 preview on my laptop, and it is a very nice install, wireless worked during install with just my wep key being prompted, very nice. Once installed little things like sound volume buttons on my Acer popping an onscreen display when adjusting, it is all very nicely put together. It all had to go for SUSE of course :-) but it is always good to keep an eye on things. I would be interested in what other people think who have tried the latest releases. For those that care, distrowatch has for the last month: Page hit rankings: 1 Ubuntu 2970 2 SUSE 2256 3 Mandriva 2148 Pflodo
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:42:56PM +1000, Peter Flodin wrote:
For those that care, distrowatch has for the last month: Page hit rankings: 1 Ubuntu 2970 2 SUSE 2256 3 Mandriva 2148
I tried Mandriva and was unable to get it running. Will try it again as it should get my Haupauge PVR 350 running by default. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Friday 14 Oct 2005 17:44 samaye houghi alekhiit:
I tried Mandriva and was unable to get it running. Will try it again as it should get my Haupauge PVR 350 running by default.
FWIW I never got beyond Mandriva's installation. SUSE for me, yay! :)
On Friday, 14 October 2005 13:14, houghi wrote:
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:42:56PM +1000, Peter Flodin wrote:
For those that care, distrowatch has for the last month: Page hit rankings: 1 Ubuntu 2970 2 SUSE 2256 3 Mandriva 2148
I tried Mandriva and was unable to get it running. Will try it again as it should get my Haupauge PVR 350 running by default.
houghi
Mandriva is based on Red Hat / Fedora Core Ubuntu is based on Debian with Gnome as s Desktop Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE as a Desktop SuSE is... based on SuSE :) I've frequently experienced that not every distro works well on every computer (especialy notebooks). I remember a Toshiba that would never run well with SuSE but performed perfectly with Mandrake. If you like the Debian scheme, you might give a look at Mepis, that provides a CD that works as live CD as well as installation CD. I testdrives SuSE 10.0 and found it good, but I stick to Mepis for the time being (amongst other things because I could not get some multimedia stuff to run on SuSE while apt-get with the appropriate repositories get them running on Mepis. Thierry -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 02:20:26PM +0100, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
I testdrives SuSE 10.0 and found it good, but I stick to Mepis for the time being (amongst other things because I could not get some multimedia stuff to run on SuSE while apt-get with the appropriate repositories get them running on Mepis.
apt-get with the appropriate repos' on SUSE would do the same. :-) I use the Packman repo's for that and it works like a charm. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 02:20:26PM +0100, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Friday, 14 October 2005 13:14, houghi wrote:
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:42:56PM +1000, Peter Flodin wrote:
For those that care, distrowatch has for the last month: Page hit rankings: 1 Ubuntu 2970 2 SUSE 2256 3 Mandriva 2148
I tried Mandriva and was unable to get it running. Will try it again as it should get my Haupauge PVR 350 running by default.
houghi
Mandriva is based on Red Hat / Fedora Core
Ummmm, no. RedHat was the inspiration for Mandrake, but it came into it's own after a few years, this was before Fedora existed, and therefore can NOT be called something based off Fedora. It was based on Older ReDHat copies and even that isn't totally right, it was actually designed to be compatible with RedHat, not a clone.
Ubuntu is based on Debian with Gnome as s Desktop
Yup, as is Libranet which is much better I think. This has become very popular though and for good reason, I don't use Ubuntu much but it's neat for anyone looking for a toy OS. Real work is for SUSE and Slackware though
Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE as a Desktop SuSE is... based on SuSE :)
SUSE is based / Was based on Slackware in the early days. SUSE sold Slackware for Patrick and then started their own stuff which I believe has surpased it.
I've frequently experienced that not every distro works well on every computer (especialy notebooks). I remember a Toshiba that would never run well with SuSE but performed perfectly with Mandrake.
Yes Linux Laptop support has come a LONG way in the last two years. The 2.6 Kernel helped this too. Free BSD is so far behind here it's not even close.
If you like the Debian scheme, you might give a look at Mepis, that provides a CD that works as live CD as well as installation CD.
Or Libranet ;) then again adding apt-get to another distro does the same thing.
I testdrives SuSE 10.0 and found it good, but I stick to Mepis for the time being (amongst other things because I could not get some multimedia stuff to run on SuSE while apt-get with the appropriate repositories get them running on Mepis.
Well, don't give up. I've learned over the two years I've been on Linux that f it doesn't work, wait a month. I could never get online with Linux or get sound at the first Buying a SoundBlaster Live! took care of sound, ditching my slow as crap Dial Up took care of the other problem. It was on SUSE when I got both working. ;)
Thierry
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On Friday 14 October 2005 15:20, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Mandriva is based on Red Hat / Fedora Core Ubuntu is based on Debian with Gnome as s Desktop Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE as a Desktop SuSE is... based on SuSE :)
This is unfair. If you say Mandriva is based on Red Hat than you should say SUSE is based on Slackware (you know it started as a German version of Slackware) or later on Jurix (starting with S.u.S.E. Linux 4.2). Today both Mandriva and SUSE are great distros on their own, no longer based on some other distro with some added value. Cheers, Andreas
On Friday, 14 October 2005 13:45, Andreas Simon wrote:
This is unfair. If you say Mandriva is based on Red Hat than you should say SUSE is based on Slackware (you know it started as a German version of Slackware) or later on Jurix (starting with S.u.S.E. Linux 4.2). Today both Mandriva and SUSE are great distros on their own, no longer based on some other distro with some added value.
Cheers, Andreas
Thanks for correcting me: it's perfectly true that Mandrake separated from the Red Hat base a long time ago. As for the Slackware roots of SuSE I never knew that, when I discovered it (after attempting an odl Slackware) I didn't notice it. Note that I would say I was "wrong" rather than "unfair" - I don't see anything discreditable to develop a distribution based on another (as long as it is permitted). There are many Debian-based distributions that fullfill different needs than the original (but that would not exist but for the original Debian) and I hope that the existence of OSS will be the seed for "SuSE-based" distribution. Just one example: I was today installing a "disaster-system" on a 1GB partition on my laptop: SuSE 10 would not do (even after deselecting lots of things they would come back to "satisfy dependancies" so I had to digg up an old 8.0 which still has a "minimum installation" available. So if anyone created a "SuSE-based distro thet will fit on half a gigabyte" I would welcome it. Thierry -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa
Friday 14 Oct 2005 20:18 samaye Thierry de Coulon alekhiit:
installation" available. So if anyone created a "SuSE-based distro thet will fit on half a gigabyte" I would welcome it.
Well why don't you just install minimum packages of SUSE 10.0? I'm sure you can do that under half a GB... Shriramana.
On Friday, 14 October 2005 15:13, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Friday 14 Oct 2005 20:18 samaye Thierry de Coulon alekhiit:
installation" available. So if anyone created a "SuSE-based distro thet will fit on half a gigabyte" I would welcome it.
Well why don't you just install minimum packages of SUSE 10.0? I'm sure you can do that under half a GB...
Shriramana.
The install system did not propose this - or I missed it. I'll take a look, Thierry -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 04:48:01PM +0100, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Well why don't you just install minimum packages of SUSE 10.0? I'm sure you can do that under half a GB...
Shriramana.
The install system did not propose this - or I missed it. I'll take a look,
It is a bit hidden. Take the third option where you choose between KDE and GNOME. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 03:48:48PM +0100, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Friday, 14 October 2005 13:45, Andreas Simon wrote:
This is unfair. If you say Mandriva is based on Red Hat than you should say SUSE is based on Slackware (you know it started as a German version of Slackware) or later on Jurix (starting with S.u.S.E. Linux 4.2). Today both Mandriva and SUSE are great distros on their own, no longer based on some other distro with some added value.
Cheers, Andreas
Thanks for correcting me: it's perfectly true that Mandrake separated from the Red Hat base a long time ago. As for the Slackware roots of SuSE I never knew that, when I discovered it (after attempting an odl Slackware) I didn't notice it.
What about me? I posted the same thing but sooner. If you bought 8.1 the calander it came with had this info in there.
Note that I would say I was "wrong" rather than "unfair" - I don't see anything discreditable to develop a distribution based on another (as long as it is permitted). There are many Debian-based distributions that fullfill different needs than the original (but that would not exist but for the original Debian) and I hope that the existence of OSS will be the seed for "SuSE-based" distribution. Just one example: I was today installing a "disaster-system" on a 1GB partition on my laptop: SuSE 10 would not do (even after deselecting lots of things they would come back to "satisfy dependancies" so I had to digg up an old 8.0 which still has a "minimum installation" available. So if anyone created a "SuSE-based distro thet will fit on half a gigabyte" I would welcome it.
Thierry
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On Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:57, Allen wrote:
What about me? I posted the same thing but sooner. If you bought 8.1 the calander it came with had this info in there.
So that's the one I missed :) As a matter of fact, I skipped 8.1 -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:42:56PM +1000, Peter Flodin wrote:
I would be interested in what other people think who have tried the latest releases.
Ubuntu 5.10 is possibly the simplest and easiest Linux release ever to install and configure. The Ubuntu web forums too, with their extremely easily searched archives and wealth of useful content, make life a great deal more straightforward in terms of searching for tips and tweaks than using Google Groups to search alt.os.linux.suse, or trying to find old postings to this list. I have been experimenting with Ubuntu for some time. I found Ubuntu 4.10 very good, 5.04 a step backward, but 5.10 is absolutely excellent. -- Anthony Edwards anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net
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