installing windows with suse 10.0 currently installed
folks, i have suse 10.0 installed, and i want things to stay that way. at the same time, i want to install windows xp. (please don't get into the "why do you need windows?" stuff. don't worry, i'm loyal to linux, but i need it--or rather my girlfriend does--from time to time. thanks!) basically, i get to the point in the windows installation where it shows me the partitions that are already installed. i have 3 partitions of roughly 4.8 Gigs each. (i think 2 are for linux, and one is a swap partition.) regardless, it won't allow me to even try to install windows on those partitions as windows installation basically claims it doesn't recognize those partitions, though it calls them the C, F, and G drives. that's fine with me, because i still have one more available partition with about 24 Gigs, which windows calls "unknown." i specifically didn't use the whole drive when originally installing linux. windows installation claims it needs about 1.2 Gigs, but when i try to install on that drive, windows says it cannot create any more partitions. so, i am pretty much confused as to how to solve this. ideally,here's what i want from most important to least important: 1) i won't have to blast any of the linux partitions. 2) i will be able to install windows and have a way to choose at boot time between windows and linux. 3) i will be able to install windows in as small a partition as possible (my 2.5 gigs or something), and then will be able to allocate the rest of the 24 gigs to a shared windows/linux partition (if such a thing exists?). alternatively, i will be able to re-allocate that remaining 21.5 gigs back to being usable by linux. (i really don't need a lot of space for windows, though i appreciate any tips on any swap space i should allocate for windows.) for what it's worth, i have a p4 with hyperthreading, if that matters. -- Cheers, wmeler
On Aug 2, 2006, at 6:10 PM, wmeler wrote:
so, i am pretty much confused as to how to solve this. ideally,here's what i want from most important to least important: 1) i won't have to blast any of the linux partitions. 2) i will be able to install windows and have a way to choose at boot time between windows and linux. 3) i will be able to install windows in as small a partition as possible (my 2.5 gigs or something), and then will be able to allocate the rest of the 24 gigs to a shared windows/linux partition (if such a thing exists?). alternatively, i will be able to re-allocate that remaining 21.5 gigs back to being usable by linux. (i really don't need a lot of space for windows, though i appreciate any tips on any swap space i should allocate for windows.)
This is exactly why I use a different drive for each install. It makes for a very easy installs when you unhook the other drive you _don't_ want to nuke. (Not that I've ever nuked the wrong partition or anything...) ;) Thanks, George
suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com:
This is exactly why I use a different drive for each install. It makes for a very easy installs when you unhook the other drive you _don't_ want to nuke. (Not that I've ever nuked the wrong partition or anything...) ;)
Amen.. This computer is NOT even in a tower. It's just laying loosely on the stand. Sprawled out. My custom testing box. I can disconnect quickly to another OS. I think "wmeler" needs to learn how to network linux and xp. Instead of splitting a hard drive into pie. I haven't partition a hard drive since I started using linux. win9x & redhat 6.0. Thank God I had restore CD's. Edward Krack -- fdisk mbr
On 06/08/02 18:10 (GMT-0400) wmeler apparently typed:
i have suse 10.0 installed, and i want things to stay that way. at the same time, i want to install windows xp. (please don't get into the "why do you need windows?" stuff. don't worry, i'm loyal to linux, but i need it--or rather my girlfriend does--from time to time. thanks!)
basically, i get to the point in the windows installation where it shows me the partitions that are already installed. i have 3 partitions of roughly 4.8 Gigs each. (i think 2 are for linux, and one is a swap partition.) regardless, it won't allow me to even try to install windows on those partitions as windows installation basically claims it doesn't recognize those partitions, though it calls them the C, F, and G drives.
that's fine with me, because i still have one more available partition with about 24 Gigs, which windows calls "unknown." i specifically didn't use the whole drive when originally installing linux. windows installation claims it needs about 1.2 Gigs, but when i try to install on that drive, windows says it cannot create any more partitions.
so, i am pretty much confused as to how to solve this. ideally,here's what i want from most important to least important: 1) i won't have to blast any of the linux partitions. 2) i will be able to install windows and have a way to choose at boot time between windows and linux. 3) i will be able to install windows in as small a partition as possible (my 2.5 gigs or something), and then will be able to allocate the rest of the 24 gigs to a shared windows/linux partition (if such a thing exists?). alternatively, i will be able to re-allocate that remaining 21.5 gigs back to being usable by linux. (i really don't need a lot of space for windows, though i appreciate any tips on any swap space i should allocate for windows.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/os2user/message/28611 and URL in my .sig should be instructive. Without knowing the details about your existing partitions, I can only suspect an issue of primary count limitation as your problem. There can only be 4 primaries, so one of them must explicitly be an extended in order for more than 4 total including logicals to exist. XP must start from a "visible" primary, though it can be as small as 40MB, much like using a separate /boot partition for Linux. XP has no problem installing to existing partitions, but only if they are of a correct type, either 01h (FAT12), 04h (FAT16), 06h (FAT16B), 07h (NTFS), 0Bh (FAT32 small), or 0Ch (FAT32 large). I usually set a small primary FAT as the "C:" boot partition, and put its installation partition up above wherever I have Linux installed. FAT12/16 are suitable only for data or C: boot partitions, not for actually installing the XP OS. XP likes 07h best, but rather than learning the idiosyncratic doze file access system for the little I use doze, I use FAT32. The only suitably safe type for sharing between doze and Linux is FAT32, which is either type 0Bh or 0Ch depending on size and location on disk. 2.5G is a bit small for XP. 3G should be acceptable if you don't install a lot of hungry apps, otherwise go for 7G or more. -- "Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." Galatians 6:9 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/partitioningindex.html
is there a way to make primary partitions into non-primary partitions?
thanks!
wmeler
On 8/2/06, Felix Miata
On 06/08/02 18:10 (GMT-0400) wmeler apparently typed:
i have suse 10.0 installed, and i want things to stay that way. at the same time, i want to install windows xp. (please don't get into the "why do you need windows?" stuff. don't worry, i'm loyal to linux, but i need it--or rather my girlfriend does--from time to time. thanks!)
basically, i get to the point in the windows installation where it shows me the partitions that are already installed. i have 3 partitions of roughly 4.8 Gigs each. (i think 2 are for linux, and one is a swap partition.) regardless, it won't allow me to even try to install windows on those partitions as windows installation basically claims it doesn't recognize those partitions, though it calls them the C, F, and G drives.
that's fine with me, because i still have one more available partition with about 24 Gigs, which windows calls "unknown." i specifically didn't use the whole drive when originally installing linux. windows installation claims it needs about 1.2 Gigs, but when i try to install on that drive, windows says it cannot create any more partitions.
so, i am pretty much confused as to how to solve this. ideally,here's what i want from most important to least important: 1) i won't have to blast any of the linux partitions. 2) i will be able to install windows and have a way to choose at boot time between windows and linux. 3) i will be able to install windows in as small a partition as possible (my 2.5 gigs or something), and then will be able to allocate the rest of the 24 gigs to a shared windows/linux partition (if such a thing exists?). alternatively, i will be able to re-allocate that remaining 21.5 gigs back to being usable by linux. (i really don't need a lot of space for windows, though i appreciate any tips on any swap space i should allocate for windows.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/os2user/message/28611 and URL in my .sig should be instructive. Without knowing the details about your existing partitions, I can only suspect an issue of primary count limitation as your problem.
There can only be 4 primaries, so one of them must explicitly be an extended in order for more than 4 total including logicals to exist. XP must start from a "visible" primary, though it can be as small as 40MB, much like using a separate /boot partition for Linux.
XP has no problem installing to existing partitions, but only if they are of a correct type, either 01h (FAT12), 04h (FAT16), 06h (FAT16B), 07h (NTFS), 0Bh (FAT32 small), or 0Ch (FAT32 large). I usually set a small primary FAT as the "C:" boot partition, and put its installation partition up above wherever I have Linux installed. FAT12/16 are suitable only for data or C: boot partitions, not for actually installing the XP OS. XP likes 07h best, but rather than learning the idiosyncratic doze file access system for the little I use doze, I use FAT32.
The only suitably safe type for sharing between doze and Linux is FAT32, which is either type 0Bh or 0Ch depending on size and location on disk.
2.5G is a bit small for XP. 3G should be acceptable if you don't install a lot of hungry apps, otherwise go for 7G or more. -- "Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." Galatians 6:9 NIV
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Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/partitioningindex.html
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On 06/08/02 21:51 (GMT-0400) wmeler apparently typed:
is there a way to make primary partitions into non-primary partitions?
I think that in theory it's possible, but I'm not familiar with any methods that may exist. If there is unpartitioned space it's commonly possible to create a new logical and copy the content from the primary. -- "Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." Galatians 6:9 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/
Felix Miata wrote:
On 06/08/02 21:51 (GMT-0400) wmeler apparently typed:
is there a way to make primary partitions into non-primary partitions?
I think that in theory it's possible, but I'm not familiar with any methods that may exist.
I think one needs Acronis Disk Director Suite to do this.
If there is unpartitioned space it's commonly possible to create a new logical and copy the content from the primary.
I am not sure that one can do this if 4 primary partitions have already been assigned. The only way to out of the situation would be to use Acronis Disk Director suite to resize an existing partition UPWARDS by absorbing the unallocated space which then would make it one of the 4 primary partitions. What I would then do is to copy off/backup whatever data is on the last partition (which is the one would logically, ie as in sensibly, have used to absorb the unallocated space) to another partition and then convert this partition into an EXTENDED partition (using Acronis again) which one can then split into logical partitons/drives of whatever flavour (FAT32, NTFS, reiserfs) one wants. (Not exactly step-by-step instructions but I think "you" get the idea :-) .) Cheers. -- This computer is environment-friendly and is running on OpenSuSE 10.1
On 06/08/02 22:43 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata apparently typed:
On 06/08/02 21:51 (GMT-0400) wmeler apparently typed:
is there a way to make primary partitions into non-primary partitions?
I think that in theory it's possible, but I'm not familiar with any methods that may exist.
On reflection I realize that statement could be misleading. One can use another device: copy the content to it, delete, recreate, and copy back. The device can be PATA, SATA, SCSI, USB - anything you can install temporarily or permanently with enough free capacity. After that process on a bootable partition, likely it would either need "repair" to remain bootable, or not be capable of being made bootable, depending on its type and role in the system. For that matter, if the partition to be converted is non-bootable, simply copy its contents to freespace on existing partitions, delete, recreate, and copy back. -- "Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." Galatians 6:9 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/
wmeler schreef:
folks,
i have suse 10.0 installed, and i want things to stay that way. at the same time, i want to install windows xp. (please don't get into the "why do you need windows?" stuff. don't worry, i'm loyal to linux, but i need it--or rather my girlfriend does--from time to time. thanks!)
(snip) I recommend to run XP in a virtual machine (VMWare, or Parallels for 1/4 of the price) rather than dual booting if it is only lightly used. (Browsing, mailing, chatting) That way it runs cosily in a 4 GB sandbox (or larger if you wish) and you don't have to reboot each time you want to use windows. On top of that you have access to *both* the Linux and XP file systems using Samba. If you want to use it for watching movies then it's a different story. Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704
Jos van Kan wrote:
wmeler schreef:
folks,
i have suse 10.0 installed, and i want things to stay that way. at the same time, i want to install windows xp. (please don't get into the "why do you need windows?" stuff. don't worry, i'm loyal to linux, but i need it--or rather my girlfriend does--from time to time. thanks!)
(snip)
I recommend to run XP in a virtual machine (VMWare, or Parallels for 1/4 of the price) rather than dual booting if it is only lightly used. (Browsing, mailing, chatting) That way it runs cosily in a 4 GB sandbox (or larger if you wish) and you don't have to reboot each time you want to use windows. On top of that you have access to *both* the Linux and XP file systems using Samba.
I dual-boot and am pretty tired of it. To overcome this to-ing and fro-ing, yesterday I installed Win4Lin Desktop Pro 3 and today XP Pro (in a 9GB file). Installation for both was a breeze and XP runs like the real thing. Haven't yet installed any apps. in XP but as I had W4L when it first came out some years back I don't expect too many hassles with anything.
If you want to use it for watching movies then it's a different story.
Watching movies in Linux is not a problem at all. All one needs to do is to install xine. Magic. (The only thing I am looking for is an app. for SuSE which I can use to CAPTURE video thru the tv tuner card I use to watch - like at this moment - the daily news.) Cheers. -- This computer is environment-friendly and is running on OpenSuSE 10.1
Basil Chupin schreef:
Jos van Kan wrote: (snippage)
I recommend to run XP in a virtual machine (VMWare, or Parallels for 1/4 of the price) rather than dual booting if it is only lightly used. (Browsing, mailing, chatting) That way it runs cosily in a 4 GB sandbox (or larger if you wish) and you don't have to reboot each time you want to use windows. On top of that you have access to *both* the Linux and XP file systems using Samba.
I dual-boot and am pretty tired of it. To overcome this to-ing and fro-ing, yesterday I installed Win4Lin Desktop Pro 3 and today XP Pro (in a 9GB file). Installation for both was a breeze and XP runs like the real thing. Haven't yet installed any apps. in XP but as I had W4L when it first came out some years back I don't expect too many hassles with anything.
If you want to use it for watching movies then it's a different story.
Watching movies in Linux is not a problem at all. All one needs to do is to install xine. Magic.
(more snippage) I wasn't talking about watching movies in Linux, I was talking about watching movies in XP running on a VM and exchanging the video file using samba. :-) Now I'm sure somewhere this set up can be improved on, but as it is the result is pathetic. Lots of dropped frames and the sound horribly out of sync. Why would someone do a thing like that? Ah, good question. I think it's the same as why someone climbs Mt. Everest, although on seconds thoughts I somehow think that is way easier. :-) Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704
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