Wow... I wonder if I should read my messages... (referring to the invitation in the original message below...) Usually such things are filtered out for me, but for some reason, the wording and language in this email did not, statistically, look like spam. Friendly reminder? (Yes, this is X-posted, as were the originals below, so just so people on both lists are reminded..)... Some people's email SW strips out email addresses and only puts the name in the content section so when mail-archive services pick up the list, email addressses don't end up as feed for phishing and spamming stuff... Then there are people who don't use such email SW. Using the below phish/spam I got, I'd say, at least these people ought to think about how their email SW is configured to include someone's name on reply: Patrick, Andrey, Greg, and Cristian among others that aren't as clearly attributed (guess they got lucky!). But a friendly reminder about internet email hygiene practices, I thought, might be useful. FWIW, I've been guilty in the past as well and had to make sure my settings didn't violate such courtesies (usually told to me as being rules or common sense, but I'm not quite as militant about it...). p.s. note, I did obfuscate, (I hope enough! -- used utf8-display versions of at and dot -- just watch some email SW be "smart" and convert it back into the ansi equivs...there, mangled the dom's too. No comments/replies to this email are needed by me... -------- Original Message -------- Received by 'my_email_infrastructure...' Received from lexmailer4.data.lt (lexmailer4.data.lt [31.193.193.40]) Received from from qmail-test.data.lt (qmail-test.data.lt [31.193.193.201]) Subject: 36 unread messages wait for you in Qmail Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:02:58 -0000 From: no-reply@qwekee.com Reply-To: no-reply@qwekee.com To: suse＠tlnx．org Hello suse＠tlnx．org, We've noticed that it's been a week since you read your Qmail messages. Your colleagues might be confused and wait for your answers Colleagues whose messages wait unread: Oddball wrote:> Op 30-10-12 08:48, Freek de Kruijf schreef:>> Op maandag 29 oktober 2012 01:44:09 schreef Oddball:>>>>>> so still unable to login to root desktop..---- There's a /etc/securetty that specifies what terms r... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Schroeder wrote:> On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 06:41:03PM +0100, Stefan Dirsch wrote:>> This is *not* a bug, but an intentional change. ;-) The GLUE layer is now>> built on the target system.> > Uh, doesn't that conflict wi... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 04:00 -0800, Linda W wrote: > Michael Schroeder wrote:> > On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 06:41:03PM +0100, Stefan Dirsch wrote:> >> This is *not* a bug, but an intentional change. ;-) The GLUE layer is now> ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Shanahan wrote:> * Linda W [11-13-12 18:21]:>> I stared upgrading to 12.2 -- and all was going fine until I>> rebooted. Then complete failure -- had to use rescue disk.> & gt; You have asked an ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carlos E. R. wrote:> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----> Hash: SHA256> > On 2012-11-14 00:52, Greg Freemyer wrote:>> So the question / bugzilla is why /usr is not mounted in your>> case. > Indeed.> The change was do... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Felix Miata wrote:> On 2012-11-13 19:54 (GMT-0500) Patrick Shanahan composed:> Of course, it did get discussed here, so if Linda didn't already she > should comb through the archives (and Bugzilla) to see whether there's > any hope to ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carlos E. R. wrote:> Because that's the solution the devs here implemented, that's why. If> you want a different solution you will have to make a very sound case> to convince them (and a year after!) or implement it yourself.> Otherwis... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Felix Miata wrote:> On 2012-11-14 08:37 (GMT-0800) Linda W composed:> >> I was told at the time that systemd no longer had this requirement>> and that it could mount /usr a s an initial step.> > If systemd is your pr... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carlos E. R. wrote:> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----> Hash: SHA256> > On 2012-11-14 02:39, David Haller wrote:> >>> You need initrd- If you do not want to use it, then you will need>>> to hack your own solution.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andreas Jaeger wrote:> Linda, stop accusing people. We always said that an initrd is needed, if > you didn't understand that, then it's your problem but stop calling > users liars.---- It was clear that initrd was needed to load *drivers*... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrey Borzenkov wrote:> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Linda W wrote:>> Give me ANY reason.> Personal experience.> > - mount by LABEL/UUID/whatever, but not by /dev/sdX. Uncountable times> I got ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 11/15/2012 09:17 AM, Linda W wrote: > Moreover, what is there on initrd that you can't put in root? Find out yourself: $ mkdir /tmp/initrd $ cd /tmp/ini trd $ gzip -dc - < /boot/initrd | cpio -i $ find . -ls [...] It's a ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Freire wrote: > In any case, in that discussion, IIRC the decision to leave symlinks> in /bin was made to be backwards-compatible. With those symlinks, a> script would only break if run from an initrd script, before /usr is> ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Seyfried wrote:> Am 15.11.2012 22:10, schrieb Linda W:> >> of loading a 20-40MB initrd (cf. my kernel=~5MB), which duplicates>> /usr/bin.> > susi:~ # ls -l /boot/initrd* -h> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Nov 12 ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Greg Freemyer wrote:> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Claudio Freire wrote:>> With those symlinks, a>> script would only break if run from an initrd script, before /usr is>> mounted. Is that you... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Per Jessen wrote:> Rajko wrote:> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:23:54 -0800>> Linda W wrote:>>> >> Ahh.. resorting to childish name calling now.>> Linda, it is childish they way you act.&... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Linda W wrote:> Greg KH wrote:>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:17:47AM -0800, Linda W wrote:>>> So far no one is able to explain why it is needed other than>>> It's a fad or it's cool..>>>> Because the o... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Dirk Gently wrote:> It's just like KDE 4.0 all over AGAIN.>> If it weren't for YaST, I would of ditched this distribution controlled> by the biggest bunch of arrogant ass... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carlos E. R. wrote:> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----> Hash: SHA256> > On 2012-11-18 19:27, Linda W wrote:> >> Nep. /usr = short for /user... as separate from system.> > Wrong.--- Sorry, but have a quote of Dennis... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Linda W wrote:>> On 2012-11-18 19:27, Linda W wrote:>>>>> Nep. /usr = short for /user... as separate from system.>>>>>> Wrong.>> --->... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carlos E. R. wrote:> Seconds against hours.--- Seconds? to Hours? for a user to regenerate theirkernel in the field? Factory could stick w/initrd, butmy suggestion was to allow users to optimize that to directboot by installing & runnin... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philipp Thomas wrote:> The question is, how do I support a maximum> of different devices *without* requiring the user to compile his own> kernel.> >> For those, you *offer* them the option to rebuild the kernel with>> thei... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message-----From: "Linda W" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:12pmTo: "oS-fctry" Subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Why is initrd needed - to support moving bin files fro... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrey Borzenkov wrote:>> I couldn't understand why boot processes no longer worked -- "boot.local">> was reserved for calling site-local boot needed processes after boot and before>> single-user. It is no longer called,> &g... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cristian Rodríguez wrote:> El 28/11/12 21:07, Linda W escribió:>> Perhaps someone can explain to me why Windows doesn't>> need a pre-boot ramdisk in order to boot, while Linux does?> > Linux does not need an initrd to boot... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 11/29/2012 09:26 AM, Hans Witvliet wrote:> from original MS-cd/dvd but lack support for all sorts of things.> Some even don't recognise network hardware, so you need a different> machine connected to the Net, and an USB-stick to downlo... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Felix Miata wrote:> Likely the registry, if you can call that doing anything right.> > Ever tried moving a Windows HD to another motherboard and booting it. I > don't think it ever works.---- It almost always works. What doesn't work ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Henderson wrote:> If you want to understand why Linux uses initrd, I suggest you take some > time and talk with the Linux kernel developers, after reading up on the > history of the Linux kernel.---- Linux kernel developers will say i... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:> On 11/28/2012 07:07 PM, Linda W pecked at the keyboard and wrote:> > Linda,> > You have been ask several times to stop cross posting, so once again > please stop.---- Um which list does one po... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anders Johansson wrote:> No, but it is something distributions do - the idea is to have one solution > that fits all users. I dare you to build one kernel that will work for all > openSUSE users, or even just you and me--- As others have ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peter Hanisch wrote:>> Functionally intermediate binary that is loaded during boot and>> includes filesystem and possibly volume manager drivers and logic to>> load additional drivers on demand is initrd. With the primary differe... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carlos E. R. wrote:>> ----&g t;> You tell me where it belongs. It's about Suse>> 12.2 and suse 12.3 and beyond. Last person I asked which>> list I should shut out of the discussion, I got no answer,>> so what's your... Join and try it out, it‘s free and your colleagues will only be grateful. Click on this link and you'll only have to create a password. Activate http://www.qwekee.com/profile/sign-up/step1/9841229a5d5c9f4273a1/?next=http:.... 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