[opensuse] leap421 - latest updates has really screwed up the video
My test system anyway - it's actually been running fairly well, I was thinking of promoting it to my main desktop. Well, I've just applied the latest updates, and video is now borderline unusable. Every time I scroll (firefox or konsole), I have heavy flickering, same when I swap windows. Scrolling in konsole is highly inconsistent - sometimes the bottom-most line remains fixed, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I have a full scroll-bar, sometimes only part of it. When I swap windows, sometimes I get a somewhat entertaining mix of everything. Moving a window causes heavy flickering. If I were using this in an office, I might as well send people home :-( I'm using nouveau. -- Posted with knode 4.14 from openSUSE Leap42.1 office34: Cyrix 486DX2/66MHz, 4096Mb RAM, #9 GXE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
My test system anyway - it's actually been running fairly well, I was thinking of promoting it to my main desktop. Well, I've just applied the latest updates, and video is now borderline unusable. Every time I scroll (firefox or konsole), I have heavy flickering, same when I swap windows. Scrolling in konsole is highly inconsistent - sometimes the bottom-most line remains fixed, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I have a full scroll-bar, sometimes only part of it. When I swap windows, sometimes I get a somewhat entertaining mix of everything. Moving a window causes heavy flickering.
The flickering seems to be meant to be fade-in/fade-out? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.6°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/16 17:02, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
My test system anyway - it's actually been running fairly well, I was thinking of promoting it to my main desktop. Well, I've just applied the latest updates, and video is now borderline unusable. Every time I scroll (firefox or konsole), I have heavy flickering, same when I swap windows. Scrolling in konsole is highly inconsistent - sometimes the bottom-most line remains fixed, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I have a full scroll-bar, sometimes only part of it. When I swap windows, sometimes I get a somewhat entertaining mix of everything. Moving a window causes heavy flickering.
The flickering seems to be meant to be fade-in/fade-out?
May be completely unrelated, but after updating a Leap 42.1 system with Intel video a few weeks ago, I ran into these kinds of flickering issues under two of the three user accounts. Some of it was indeed related to what should have been fade effects of one kind or another (e.g. opening windows/apps, clicking on the main menu, etc.). I was playing around with the monitor refresh rate in the Display category of Plasma System Settings, since the monitor on that PC is supposed to be 60Hz, yet whenever I try to change the setting from Auto, I go back into the settings and it's back at 30Hz. The account where I hadn't modified this seemed to not suffer the same flickering. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
gumb wrote:
On 15/09/16 17:02, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
My test system anyway - it's actually been running fairly well, I was thinking of promoting it to my main desktop. Well, I've just applied the latest updates, and video is now borderline unusable. Every time I scroll (firefox or konsole), I have heavy flickering, same when I swap windows. Scrolling in konsole is highly inconsistent - sometimes the bottom-most line remains fixed, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I have a full scroll-bar, sometimes only part of it. When I swap windows, sometimes I get a somewhat entertaining mix of everything. Moving a window causes heavy flickering.
The flickering seems to be meant to be fade-in/fade-out?
May be completely unrelated, but after updating a Leap 42.1 system with Intel video a few weeks ago, I ran into these kinds of flickering issues under two of the three user accounts. Some of it was indeed related to what should have been fade effects of one kind or another (e.g. opening windows/apps, clicking on the main menu, etc.).
I was playing around with the monitor refresh rate in the Display category of Plasma System Settings, since the monitor on that PC is supposed to be 60Hz, yet whenever I try to change the setting from Auto, I go back into the settings and it's back at 30Hz. The account where I hadn't modified this seemed to not suffer the same flickering.
Probably unrelated - I've not touched anything like that. I've been running this system for testing leap421 since it came out, I keep it 100% vanilla except for small GUI adjustements and only last week I was thinking "we're ready for prime time". I can't believe it got screwed up :-( -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen composed on 2016-09-15 16:43 (UTC+0200):
My test system anyway - it's actually been running fairly well, I was thinking of promoting it to my main desktop. Well, I've just applied the latest updates, and video is now borderline unusable. Every time I scroll (firefox or konsole), I have heavy flickering, same when I swap windows. Scrolling in konsole is highly inconsistent - sometimes the bottom-most line remains fixed, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I have a full scroll-bar, sometimes only part of it. When I swap windows, sometimes I get a somewhat entertaining mix of everything. Moving a window causes heavy flickering. If I were using this in an office, I might as well send people home :-(
I'm using nouveau.
With which gfxchip? On Cyrix 486DX2/66MHz, 4096Mb RAM, #9 GXE??? Might be your trouble would go away if you remove xf86-video-nouveau: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX I've been using the modesetting driver on this 42.1 (with intel gfx) probably ever since upgrading from 13.1. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2016-09-15 16:43 (UTC+0200):
My test system anyway - it's actually been running fairly well, I was thinking of promoting it to my main desktop. Well, I've just applied the latest updates, and video is now borderline unusable. Every time I scroll (firefox or konsole), I have heavy flickering, same when I swap windows. Scrolling in konsole is highly inconsistent - sometimes the bottom-most line remains fixed, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I have a full scroll-bar, sometimes only part of it. When I swap windows, sometimes I get a somewhat entertaining mix of everything. Moving a window causes heavy flickering. If I were using this in an office, I might as well send people home :-(
I'm using nouveau.
With which gfxchip? On Cyrix 486DX2/66MHz, 4096Mb RAM, #9 GXE???
Hehe, well done Felix. I've posted a few messages with that account, I deliberately wrote that gobbledegook in the .sig :-) I was waiting for someone to actually read it ...
Might be your trouble would go away if you remove xf86-video-nouveau:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
I've been using the modesetting driver on this 42.1 (with intel gfx) probably ever since upgrading from 13.1.
I'll try it, thanks for the suggestion. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.7°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2016-09-15 16:43 (UTC+0200):
My test system anyway - it's actually been running fairly well, I was thinking of promoting it to my main desktop. Well, I've just applied the latest updates, and video is now borderline unusable. Every time I scroll (firefox or konsole), I have heavy flickering, same when I swap windows. Scrolling in konsole is highly inconsistent - sometimes the bottom-most line remains fixed, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I have a full scroll-bar, sometimes only part of it. When I swap windows, sometimes I get a somewhat entertaining mix of everything. Moving a window causes heavy flickering. If I were using this in an office, I might as well send people home :-(
I'm using nouveau.
With which gfxchip? On Cyrix 486DX2/66MHz, 4096Mb RAM, #9 GXE???
Hehe, well done Felix. I've posted a few messages with that account, I deliberately wrote that gobbledegook in the .sig :-) I was waiting for someone to actually read it ...
Might be your trouble would go away if you remove xf86-video-nouveau:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
I've been using the modesetting driver on this 42.1 (with intel gfx) probably ever since upgrading from 13.1.
I'll try it, thanks for the suggestion.
I'm not sure what causes this issue. This morning I created a new user, logged in, and voila!, no problem. Then I switched back to my own, and again, no problem. Until I started Firefox - problem returned. Is there any chance that certain content in Firefox (flash, video?) might be to blame? /Per -- Posted with knode 4.14 from openSUSE Leap42.1 office34: Cyrix 486DX2/66MHz, 4096Mb RAM, #9 GXE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen composed on 2016-09-16 10:38 (UTC+0200):
Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Might be your trouble would go away if you remove xf86-video-nouveau:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
I've been using the modesetting driver on this 42.1 (with intel gfx) probably ever since upgrading from 13.1.
I'll try it, thanks for the suggestion.
I'm not sure what causes this issue. This morning I created a new user, logged in, and voila!, no problem. Then I switched back to my own, and again, no problem. Until I started Firefox - problem returned. Is there any chance that certain content in Firefox (flash, video?) might be to blame?
It seems you left out any connection between the results of what happened when you tried what I suggested you try that you wrote you would, and what you wrote you did today. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2016-09-16 10:38 (UTC+0200):
Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Might be your trouble would go away if you remove xf86-video-nouveau:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
I've been using the modesetting driver on this 42.1 (with intel gfx) probably ever since upgrading from 13.1.
I'll try it, thanks for the suggestion.
I'm not sure what causes this issue. This morning I created a new user, logged in, and voila!, no problem. Then I switched back to my own, and again, no problem. Until I started Firefox - problem returned. Is there any chance that certain content in Firefox (flash, video?) might be to blame?
It seems you left out any connection between the results of what happened when you tried what I suggested you try that you wrote you would, and what you wrote you did today.
When I noticed that a newly created user did not have this issue, it seemed quite obvious to me that the issue was not specifically related to nouveau, hence I skipped your suggestion. -- Posted with knode 4.14 from openSUSE Leap42.1 office34: Cyrix 486DX2/66MHz, 4096Mb RAM, #9 GXE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-09-16 09:54, Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2016-09-16 10:38 (UTC+0200):
Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Might be your trouble would go away if you remove xf86-video-nouveau:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
I've been using the modesetting driver on this 42.1 (with intel gfx) probably ever since upgrading from 13.1.
I'll try it, thanks for the suggestion.
I'm not sure what causes this issue. This morning I created a new user, logged in, and voila!, no problem. Then I switched back to my own, and again, no problem. Until I started Firefox - problem returned. Is there any chance that certain content in Firefox (flash, video?) might be to blame?
It seems you left out any connection between the results of what happened when you tried what I suggested you try that you wrote you would, and what you wrote you did today.
When I noticed that a newly created user did not have this issue, it seemed quite obvious to me that the issue was not specifically related to nouveau, hence I skipped your suggestion.
Does the new user not have a problem when he uses Firefox in the same way as you? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-09-16 09:54, Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2016-09-16 10:38 (UTC+0200):
Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Might be your trouble would go away if you remove xf86-video-nouveau:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
I've been using the modesetting driver on this 42.1 (with intel gfx) probably ever since upgrading from 13.1.
I'll try it, thanks for the suggestion.
I'm not sure what causes this issue. This morning I created a new user, logged in, and voila!, no problem. Then I switched back to my own, and again, no problem. Until I started Firefox - problem returned. Is there any chance that certain content in Firefox (flash, video?) might be to blame?
It seems you left out any connection between the results of what happened when you tried what I suggested you try that you wrote you would, and what you wrote you did today.
When I noticed that a newly created user did not have this issue, it seemed quite obvious to me that the issue was not specifically related to nouveau, hence I skipped your suggestion.
Does the new user not have a problem when he uses Firefox in the same way as you?
I've been trying to reproduce with both users. At first, <new user> had no problem nor did <old user> when newly logged in. Then the problem reappeared on <old user> after allowing firefox to restore tabs. Later again, I could not reproduce with either one, tried different stuff with firefox etc. When I do see the problem, it is quite clearly related to the fading effect, but also appears when scrolling. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.0°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/16/2016 04:50 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-09-16 09:54, Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2016-09-16 10:38 (UTC+0200):
Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote: > Might be your trouble would go away if you remove > xf86-video-nouveau:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
> I've been using the modesetting driver on this 42.1 (with intel > gfx) probably ever since upgrading from 13.1. I'll try it, thanks for the suggestion. I'm not sure what causes this issue. This morning I created a new user, logged in, and voila!, no problem. Then I switched back to my own, and again, no problem. Until I started Firefox - problem returned. Is there any chance that certain content in Firefox (flash, video?) might be to blame? It seems you left out any connection between the results of what happened when you tried what I suggested you try that you wrote you would, and what you wrote you did today. When I noticed that a newly created user did not have this issue, it seemed quite obvious to me that the issue was not specifically related to nouveau, hence I skipped your suggestion. Does the new user not have a problem when he uses Firefox in the same way as you? I've been trying to reproduce with both users. At first, <new user> had no problem nor did <old user> when newly logged in. Then the problem reappeared on <old user> after allowing firefox to restore tabs. Later again, I could not reproduce with either one, tried different stuff with firefox etc. When I do see the problem, it is quite clearly related to the fading effect, but also appears when scrolling.
The xf86-video-nouveau driver is always being updated, and then you have X and the window manager/DE running on top of all that. They all have to play nice together, and if KDE is trying to do effects, especially when set to OpenGL 3.1 (instead of xrender), you could run into issues. nouveau is known to be buggy and in many cases barely works at all, doesn't work, or works with bugs. You may try dropping down to xrender and/or shutting effects off or specific effects off. These problems you are having with video in FF could just be something that crops up that "exposes" a regression in nouveau that happeend after you updated. The last I heard the nouveau team was like 2 people working on it part time and NVIDIA isn't giving any support to it whatsoever, but I could be wrong there. I do know, however that it's no surprise you are having issues with nouveau. That is why so many people are using the NVIDIA binary drivers. Because nouveau is like a video card driver from 1997. sdm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
sdm wrote:
On 09/16/2016 04:50 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-09-16 09:54, Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2016-09-16 10:38 (UTC+0200):
Per Jessen wrote: > Felix Miata wrote: >> Might be your trouble would go away if you remove >> xf86-video-nouveau:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
>> I've been using the modesetting driver on this 42.1 (with intel >> gfx) probably ever since upgrading from 13.1. > I'll try it, thanks for the suggestion. I'm not sure what causes this issue. This morning I created a new user, logged in, and voila!, no problem. Then I switched back to my own, and again, no problem. Until I started Firefox - problem returned. Is there any chance that certain content in Firefox (flash, video?) might be to blame? It seems you left out any connection between the results of what happened when you tried what I suggested you try that you wrote you would, and what you wrote you did today. When I noticed that a newly created user did not have this issue, it seemed quite obvious to me that the issue was not specifically related to nouveau, hence I skipped your suggestion. Does the new user not have a problem when he uses Firefox in the same way as you? I've been trying to reproduce with both users. At first, <new user> had no problem nor did <old user> when newly logged in. Then the problem reappeared on <old user> after allowing firefox to restore tabs. Later again, I could not reproduce with either one, tried different stuff with firefox etc. When I do see the problem, it is quite clearly related to the fading effect, but also appears when scrolling.
The xf86-video-nouveau driver is always being updated, and then you have X and the window manager/DE running on top of all that. They all have to play nice together, and if KDE is trying to do effects, especially when set to OpenGL 3.1 (instead of xrender), you could run into issues. nouveau is known to be buggy and in many cases barely works at all, doesn't work, or works with bugs.
I did have some issues in the beginning, but for the last couple of months, nouveau has not caused any problems.
You may try dropping down to xrender and/or shutting effects off or specific effects off. These problems you are having with video in FF could just be something that crops up that "exposes" a regression in nouveau that happeend after you updated.
For the time being, it's a Heisenbug, things are working fine right now. I'll probably shut off some of the effects anyway, they're only making things slow :-)
The last I heard the nouveau team was like 2 people working on it part time and NVIDIA isn't giving any support to it whatsoever, but I could be wrong there. I do know, however that it's no surprise you are having issues with nouveau.
Yeah, I know. I was just disappointed because I had witnessed Leap421 growing more stable over the months, when then this happened.
That is why so many people are using the NVIDIA binary drivers. Because nouveau is like a video card driver from 1997.
That would also have been my last way out, we'll see. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/16/2016 06:16 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Yeah, I know. I was just disappointed because I had witnessed Leap421 growing more stable over the months, when then this happened.
Well the way I see it is some updates were done upstream and the maintainer of that package pushed it to Leap. Maybe file a bug report, as they may not know about it. What does improvements on some NVIDIA GPU's may be the opposite with your GPU, since obviously that driver supports many different cards. IIRC, a friend with a higher-end NVIDIA card couldn't get into Leap or TW whatsoever as the system would completely crash before getting into YaST2. My suspicions was the nouveau driver. I believe after more TW snapshots came out he could finally at least get into the YaST2 install screen, but Leap for him was a total fail, even with trying all the nomodeset tricks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2016-09-16 10:38 (UTC+0200):
Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Might be your trouble would go away if you remove xf86-video-nouveau:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
I've been using the modesetting driver on this 42.1 (with intel gfx) probably ever since upgrading from 13.1.
I'll try it, thanks for the suggestion.
I'm not sure what causes this issue. This morning I created a new user, logged in, and voila!, no problem. Then I switched back to my own, and again, no problem. Until I started Firefox - problem returned. Is there any chance that certain content in Firefox (flash, video?) might be to blame?
It seems you left out any connection between the results of what happened when you tried what I suggested you try that you wrote you would, and what you wrote you did today.
When I noticed that a newly created user did not have this issue, it seemed quite obvious to me that the issue was not specifically related to nouveau, hence I skipped your suggestion.
After having been left alone for a few days, the system has now reverted to the unusable video mode. I have removed xf86-video-nouveau, and for the time being, it's looking stable. I guess I won't be able to play doom3 though? /Per -- Posted with knode 4.14 from openSUSE Leap42.1 office34: Cyrix 486DX2/66MHz, 4096Mb RAM, #9 GXE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-09-22 10:30, Per Jessen wrote:
After having been left alone for a few days, the system has now reverted to the unusable video mode. I have removed xf86-video-nouveau, and for the time being, it's looking stable. I guess I won't be able to play doom3 though?
For games you normally need the proprietary driver. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-09-22 10:30, Per Jessen wrote:
After having been left alone for a few days, the system has now reverted to the unusable video mode. I have removed xf86-video-nouveau, and for the time being, it's looking stable. I guess I won't be able to play doom3 though?
For games you normally need the proprietary driver.
doom3 is the only one I have with high vidoe requirements. I haven't tried it yet. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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