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Fred

1 Mar 2005 1 Mar '05

17:57

Hi, does anyone know the roadmap of the Suse 9.3 release ? and if Novell developpers took care of the bootup time ? Thanks Fred

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Josephine

1 Mar 1 Mar

19:28

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 18:57, Fred wrote:

Hi,

does anyone know the roadmap of the Suse 9.3 release ? and if Novell developpers took care of the bootup time ?

Thanks

Fred

For the million time: suse professional's cycle is at every 6 months. 9.2 was released at the end of October. Calculate now 6 months since then. Josephine ps: we should really make an automatically mail to be sent to the list weekly with answers to: "how do i unsubscribe" and "when is the next suse going to be released".

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jfweber＠bellsouth.net

08:56

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 2:28 pm, Josephine wrote:

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 18:57, Fred wrote:

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Hi,

does anyone know the roadmap of the Suse 9.3 release ? and if Novell developpers took care of the bootup time ?

Thanks

Fred

For the million time: suse professional's cycle is at every 6 months. 9.2 was released at the end of October. Calculate now 6 months since then.

Josephine

NOW this is a really good idea!!! Perhaps some mailing list whiz could cook up an automatic response to these questions and then we ( and especially the Europeans included in this ) wouldn't have to download these messages nor the answers..

ps: we should really make an automatically mail to be sent to the list weekly with answers to: "how do i unsubscribe" and "when is the next suse going to be released".

-- j I'm putting on the B-mer Brothers Would you mind putting on this grass skirt?

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Fred

18:47

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Le Mardi 1 Mars 2005 20:28, Josephine a écrit :

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 18:57, Fred wrote: For the million time: suse professional's cycle is at every 6 months. 9.2 was released at the end of October. Calculate now 6 months since then.

I feel really sorry, but I'm a regular reader of this list since 2 month and I haven't seen any discussion on this. I know it's "every 6 month", but I should have ask "Do you have a link to the actual roadmap" ?

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Osho GG

19:43

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 10:47 am, Fred wrote:

Le Mardi 1 Mars 2005 20:28, Josephine a écrit :

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 18:57, Fred wrote: For the million time: suse professional's cycle is at every 6 months. 9.2 was released at the end of October. Calculate now 6 months since then.

I feel really sorry, but I'm a regular reader of this list since 2 month and I haven't seen any discussion on this. I know it's "every 6 month", but I should have ask "Do you have a link to the actual roadmap" ?

The real un-answered question (to me at least) is how bought-over by Novell will effect Suse 9.3 release or subsequent releases. We know Novell has other Linux offering (Novell Linux Desktop). Novell also bought Ximian. It is unclear as to what is Novell's linux strategy for future releases. I haven't seen an announcement from Novell out-lining a future linux releases roadmap describing how will SuSE evolve and how it will related to NLD (and maybe some of the Ximian offerings that are also now owned by Novell). -- Osho

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Paul Cartwright

20:02

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 2:43 pm, Osho GG wrote:

The real un-answered question (to me at least) is how bought-over by Novell will effect Suse 9.3 release or subsequent releases. We know Novell has other Linux offering (Novell Linux Desktop). Novell also bought Ximian. It is unclear as to what is Novell's linux strategy for future releases. I haven't seen an announcement from Novell out-lining a future linux releases roadmap describing how will SuSE evolve and how it will related to NLD (and maybe some of the Ximian offerings that are also now owned by Novell).

I just purchased my first Linux distro back in October, SUSE 9.2 Pro, and I've been very happy with it. I'm not that familiar with all the Linux terms & apps, so I'm a bit confused as to why Novell would buy SUSE when it now seems to be putting out its own flavor , NLD. What exactly is all the Ximian apps, it seems Novell bought them also? if Novell stops SUSE at 9.2 and starts pushing NLD ( Novell Linux Desktop) will everyone convert? When I look at NLD, It says "Powered by SUSE@Linux". so, is NLD just a GUI over SUSE, in place of KDE??? -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800

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Anders Norrbring

20:08

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Le Mardi 1 Mars 2005 20:28, Josephine a écrit :

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 18:57, Fred wrote: For the million time: suse professional's cycle is at every 6 months. 9.2 was released at the end of October. Calculate now 6 months since then.

I feel really sorry, but I'm a regular reader of this list since 2 month and I haven't seen any discussion on this. I know it's "every 6 month", but I should have ask "Do you have a link to the actual roadmap" ?

The real un-answered question (to me at least) is how bought-over by Novell will effect Suse 9.3 release or subsequent releases. We know Novell has other Linux offering (Novell Linux Desktop). Novell also bought Ximian. It is unclear as to what is Novell's linux strategy for future releases. I haven't seen an announcement from Novell out-lining a future linux releases roadmap describing how will SuSE evolve and how it will related to NLD (and maybe some of the Ximian offerings that are also now owned by Novell).

Well, at least one part is really easy to straighten out. NLD is not in any way trying to grab grounds from SuSE Pro series, it's more like a "SuSE Office version", aimed mainly to integrate desktops with Novell's eDirectory based networks, whatever the server base is. SuSE Pro series is not affected in any major way by the NLD version, it's more of a "threat" to Windows as the desktop o/s.. :) All of this is pretty clearly stated as well on the Novell website. As for the SuSE Pro cycle, just wait and see.. :) What's the big hurry? Anders Norrbring

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R Kimber

20:14

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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:08:26 +0100 "Anders Norrbring" wrote:

As for the SuSE Pro cycle, just wait and see.. :) What's the big hurry?

Well, some of us are still waiting for really decent TV card/PVR support. Presumably it'll happen one day. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/

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Josephine

20:28

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 21:14, R Kimber wrote:

Well, some of us are still waiting for really decent TV card/PVR support. Presumably it'll happen one day.

Then keep an eye on kernel development. That's the usual place for drivers and modules. Josephine

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OldSarge

2 Mar 2 Mar

02:14

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Josephine wrote:

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 21:14, R Kimber wrote:

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Well, some of us are still waiting for really decent TV card/PVR support. Presumably it'll happen one day.

Then keep an eye on kernel development. That's the usual place for drivers and modules.

Josephine

Again, WHO CARES? Have you got 9.0 or 9.2 mastered, yet???

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Kevanf1

15:00

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:14:42 -0800, OldSarge wrote:

Josephine wrote:

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 21:14, R Kimber wrote:

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Well, some of us are still waiting for really decent TV card/PVR support. Presumably it'll happen one day.

Then keep an eye on kernel development. That's the usual place for drivers and modules.

Josephine

Again, WHO CARES? Have you got 9.0 or 9.2 mastered, yet???

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I hate to say this but the Window$ virus of upgrading fever seems to be creeping into the Linux community. If you distro works then accept it. If there is something that does not work then check for the relevant module online and watch development. There really is no need to completely upgrade a distro just because a new version is out. By all means keep security patches up to date as that makes sense but please, don't go down the Micro$oft route. :-) -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

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Dennis J. Tuchler

16:22

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On Wednesday 02 March 2005 09:00, Kevanf1 wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:14:42 -0800, OldSarge wrote:

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Josephine wrote:

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 21:14, R Kimber wrote:

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Well, some of us are still waiting for really decent TV card/PVR support. Presumably it'll happen one day.

Then keep an eye on kernel development. That's the usual place for drivers and modules.

A while ago, Novell announced its plan for maintaining versions of SuSE. For example, SuSE 9.1 is still being maintained (in terms of security patches, at least). How long is this maintenance period? One version? Two versions? ...? dj tuchler

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Greg Freemyer

16:33

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On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:22:36 -0600, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:

On Wednesday 02 March 2005 09:00, Kevanf1 wrote:

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:14:42 -0800, OldSarge wrote:

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Josephine wrote:

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Then keep an eye on kernel development. That's the usual place for drivers and modules.

A while ago, Novell announced its plan for maintaining versions of SuSE. For example, SuSE 9.1 is still being maintained (in terms of security patches, at least). How long is this maintenance period? One version? Two versions? ...?

dj tuchler

I don't think it has changed recently, so 2 years minimum for tho pro series and 5 years for the SLES series. The 5 year thing is very important to an Enterprise, so I'm glad SUSE/Novell is doing that. FYI: I consult for a large company that recently said Windows Servers are DECLINING technology in their data center. The primary reason was the MS support policy. ie. Win2K drops support this summer. Forcing everyone to move to Win2003. WIn2003 support drops in 2008, so users are only getting 3 years out of each release. My client has decided this is not acceptable. FYI2: They are currently recommending Windows Server based projects move to SLES!!!!!! Greg -- Greg Freemyer

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Andreas Jaeger

18:05

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Let me just state the following: * The acquisition by Novell of SUSE has not let to any changes for our SUSE Linux Professional (with the exception of not doing a Personal) schedule. * We do make security updates for our SUSE Linux products available for 2 years for everybody. * Release cycle of SUSE Linux is every half year. Hope this answers some of the questions. I'm looking forward to SUSE Linux 9.3 ;-). Andreas P.S. Don't ask me for any actual dates or contents of 9.3. -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Silviu Marin-Caea

08:59

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 21:43, Osho GG wrote:

The real un-answered question (to me at least) is how bought-over by Novell will effect Suse 9.3 release or subsequent releases. We know Novell has other Linux offering (Novell Linux Desktop). Novell also bought Ximian. It is unclear as to what is Novell's linux strategy for future releases. I haven't seen an announcement from Novell out-lining a future linux releases roadmap describing how will SuSE evolve and how it will related to NLD (and maybe some of the Ximian offerings that are also now owned by Novell).

SUSE Pro is for: "home users, sysadmins, software developers, technical enthusiast". It wil continue to be released, every 6 months. NLD is intended as a desktop for companies, large and small, that is "commercial environment". It's maintained for 5 years, it's manageable "en masse" with ZENworks, it has commercial fonts that are metric compatible with Microsoft's and other features that make it very good for corporate use. It shares the same core as SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server. The focus is stability, production work, not "latest bits" as in Professional. A new version will appear every 1.5 or 2 years.

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Hans du Plooy

15:58

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 21:43, Osho GG wrote:

We know Novell has other Linux offering (Novell Linux Desktop). Novell Linux Desktop currently is only 9.1 Personal with some cosmetics added. I've been to a "course" at Novell (which turned out to be a "how-to-install-SUSE" for the non-linux folk. It looks really nice, but doesn't have developer tools, ect, so I didn't play with it for too long.

-- Kind regards Hans du Plooy SagacIT (Pty) Ltd hansdp at sagacit dot com

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Josephine

16:02

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On Wednesday 02 March 2005 16:58, Hans du Plooy wrote:

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 21:43, Osho GG wrote:

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We know Novell has other Linux offering (Novell Linux Desktop).

Novell Linux Desktop currently is only 9.1 Personal with some cosmetics added. I've been to a "course" at Novell (which turned out to be a "how-to-install-SUSE" for the non-linux folk. It looks really nice, but doesn't have developer tools, ect, so I didn't play with it for too long.

I doubt the secretary or manager's assistant needs QT-devel, gtk libraries or latest kernel sources... Josephine

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Anders Norrbring

16:17

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We know Novell has other Linux offering (Novell Linux Desktop).

Novell Linux Desktop currently is only 9.1 Personal with some cosmetics added. I've been to a "course" at Novell (which turned out to be a "how-to-install-SUSE" for the non-linux folk. It looks really nice, but doesn't have developer tools, ect, so I didn't play with it for too long.

I doubt the secretary or manager's assistant needs QT-devel, gtk libraries or latest kernel sources...

Of course not, but as it is open source it's included. And some admin would need it to compile the secretary's apps.

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Hans du Plooy

3 Mar 3 Mar

06:44

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On Wednesday 02 March 2005 18:17, Anders Norrbring wrote:

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I doubt the secretary or manager's assistant needs QT-devel, gtk libraries or latest kernel sources...

Of course not, but as it is open source it's included. And some admin would need it to compile the secretary's apps.

Actually it's not. I'm not sure about kernel, but the dev tools aren't there. Then again, without the dev tools, the kernel source isn't of much use either. Seeing as it's based on 9.1, you can just build rpms on a 9.1 system - works fine. -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy SagacIT (Pty) Ltd hansdp at sagacit dot com

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Chris H

2 Mar 2 Mar

16:51

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Josephine wrote:

I doubt the secretary or manager's assistant needs QT-devel, gtk libraries or latest kernel sources...

Josephine

Here...here.. Josephine......:) What I personally find interesting are the changes that have happened since Linux has gotten 'popular'. Traditional Linux users used to pride themselves on how long they can keep boxes running with out upgrades and in fact use the axiom to this day even that unless there is a need to add new features to a kernel there is no need to upgrade. Everything else can be patched especially security issues. In fact in a recent discussion list on my local lug were we asked who has the longest running server, several have reported uptimes measured in years. The oldest is on a 486 installed as a router, still in production and booted sometime in 1996 and only taken down recently due to hardware failure, and rebooted...:) For those new to Linux, the concept of upgrades is a vintage and legacy competitor marketing ploy used for up sell and for delivery of poor initial product quality. Sure its fun to test and try things out, but for people who are serious or for production conditions upgrades (not updates) are at most a annual event. Even then it is only recommended if hardware support requirements are the issue. The counter argument of course is to simply update the existing kernel and associated libraries. Clearly the upgrade path is for newbies and marketeers that can lead into a very clearly delineated, costly dead end. If on the other had you want to play, fill your boots and support SuSE/Novell by purchasing the latest consumer distro under subscription. SuSE still ships with the most and most interesting software. Can this be done independently? Of course it can. A simple download, ./configure, make and make install will cure even the most curious at little or no cost..:) Regards /ch

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Hans du Plooy

3 Mar 3 Mar

06:45

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On Wednesday 02 March 2005 18:02, Josephine wrote:

I doubt the secretary or manager's assistant needs QT-devel, gtk libraries or latest kernel sources...

I never implied that - but then, I'm not the secretary.... :-) -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy SagacIT (Pty) Ltd hansdp at sagacit dot com

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Mike

1 Mar 1 Mar

20:15

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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:47:34 +0100, Fred wrote:

Le Mardi 1 Mars 2005 20:28, Josephine a écrit :

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 18:57, Fred wrote: For the million time: suse professional's cycle is at every 6 months. 9.2 was released at the end of October. Calculate now 6 months since then.

I feel really sorry, but I'm a regular reader of this list since 2 month and I haven't seen any discussion on this. I know it's "every 6 month", but I should have ask "Do you have a link to the actual roadmap" ?

Don't apologize. You, like many other new readers on this list, may not have known that the SuSE release cycle is every 6 months (I didn't) or how the acquisition of SuSE by Novell will affect the development/release cycle (I don't). It's nowhere in the FAQ, and the three un-official FAQs I clicked on from the list in the FAQ returned 404's and the like (i.e. broken link)... Not to mention the link provided for the archives presents you with a completely unsearchable format for the previous threads, and a google search on 'suse roadmap' returns nothing valuable in the first 30+ results... So asking about a roadmap seems like a pretty on-topic and valuable question, especially when the list is about SuSE. Some people just think that this stuff is such common knowledge they feel that everyone else should know this as well.

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ps: we should really make an automatically mail to be sent to the list weekly with answers to: "how do i unsubscribe" and "when is the next suse going to be released".

How about we just populate the FAQ with frequently asked questions and their related answers...

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jfweber＠bellsouth.net

09:37

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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 3:15 pm, Mike wrote: <snip>

Don't apologize. You, like many other new readers on this list, may not have known that the SuSE release cycle is every 6 months (I didn't) or how the acquisition of SuSE by Novell will affect the development/release cycle (I don't). It's nowhere in the FAQ, and the three un-official FAQs I clicked on from the list in the FAQ returned 404's and the like (i.e. broken link)... Not to mention the link provided for the archives presents you with a completely unsearchable format for the previous threads, and a google search on 'suse roadmap' returns nothing valuable in the first 30+ results... So asking about a roadmap seems like a pretty on-topic and valuable question, especially when the list is about SuSE.

Some people just think that this stuff is such common knowledge they feel that everyone else should know this as well.

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ps: we should really make an automatically mail to be sent to the list weekly with answers to: "how do i unsubscribe" and "when is the next suse going to be released".

How about we just populate the FAQ with frequently asked questions and their related answers... Togan, is it in yours? Are you still maintaining it?

Togan Muftuoglu His is one of the best btw toganm@users.sourceforge.net Sorry to stick your email in Togan ,but I don't have a link to your FAQ page any more. -- j I'm putting on the B-mer Brothers Would you mind putting on this grass skirt?

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Anders Norrbring

20:21

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[8<]

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ps: we should really make an automatically mail to be sent to the list weekly with answers to: "how do i unsubscribe" and "when is the next suse going to be released".

I can host that FAQ, if there are others out there that would be interested in helping out with maintaining it. I could set it up as a small forum, where we could ventilate different topics. I'll ask around a little with the SuSE guys to check how they feel about it. Anders Norrbring

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Sunny

20:25

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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:21:41 +0100, Anders Norrbring wrote:

[8<]

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ps: we should really make an automatically mail to be sent to the list weekly with answers to: "how do i unsubscribe" and "when is the next suse going to be released".

I can host that FAQ, if there are others out there that would be interested in helping out with maintaining it.

I could set it up as a small forum, where we could ventilate different topics. I'll ask around a little with the SuSE guys to check how they feel about it.

Anders Norrbring

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Dylan

20:31

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On Tuesday 01 Mar 2005 20:21 pm, Anders Norrbring wrote: <SNIP>

I can host that FAQ, if there are others out there that would be interested in helping out with maintaining it.

I'd be more than happy to help out with that. Dylan

I could set it up as a small forum, where we could ventilate different topics. I'll ask around a little with the SuSE guys to check how they feel about it.

Anders Norrbring

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Anders Norrbring

20:39

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<SNIP>

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I can host that FAQ, if there are others out there that would be interested in helping out with maintaining it.

I'd be more than happy to help out with that.

Dylan

Thanks Dylan, I've sent an e-mail to one of my contact persons within Novell/SuSE, I'll await the answer, then I'll post here if I'm going to set it up. Lets just wait and see. Anders.

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Thomas Beasley

3 Mar 3 Mar

15:36

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Hi all, There is an apt-get for SuSE and using it you can update to Gnome 2.8 (The usr-local-bin APT component contains the latest GNOME packages built for SuSE Linux that is maintained by James Ogley .). An informative web site detailing some of the ins and outs of using Ogley's builds with APT can be found here: http://www.tuxme.com/node/7 If you wait until SuSE 9.3 comes out, next month, I understand that you'll not only get Gnome 2.8 but it will have been configured by the Ximian members of the Novell clan as an alternative to KDE - still to be the default on 9.3. I had Ximian running on SuSE 7.2 until I upgraded to 9.0. Ximian's Gnome was much better than SuSE's version but required a lot of sorting out back in 7.2 then to get it to work right - that's why I stuck with 7.2 so long because when I got it configured the way I wanted it, I wanted to keep it that way for a while. I've been waiting for the first Ximian effort on SuSE since you can't purchase Ximian Gnome any longer. When SuSE 9.3 does hit the scene, Gnome 2.10 will be a month old (due out in a few weeks). So getting current with Gnome using SuSE is always going to require some work. Apt-get for RPM is probably the best bet in helping Gnome lovers stay current. As an aside to this question; has anyone on this list serve used YUM - a program for upgrading multiple distros on networks developed by Duke University? I understand it will go out on the web and get the updates/upgrades similarly to apt-get but can handle a multi-distro network and keep all the distros up to date ... so I've heard. So if anyone has any real live experience using this program with SuSE I'd be interested in hearing more about how good or how bad it is. If you haven't heard of YUM and want more info click here: Yum@lists.dulug.duke.edu Cheers, Tom -- Thomas E. Beasley, Jr.- Registered Penguinista # T308709 http://counter.li.org , Using Free Software since SuSE Linux 6.4. Currently using SuSE Linux 9.0 Pro and enjoying the Penguin :-)

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Dennis J. Tuchler
Dylan
Fred
Greg Freemyer
Hans du Plooy
jfweber＠bellsouth.net
Josephine
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Mike
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Paul Cartwright
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Silviu Marin-Caea
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