On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 09:00 -0500, Anton Aylward wrote:

Mark Misulich said the following on 02/21/2011 07:53 AM:

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Opensuse 11.2 & 3 don't turn on the cooling fans to keep the laptop from overheating.

Could you expand on that? Yes, normally in 11.1 the fan comes on at about 55 degrees C. The temperature is determined by readout from ~acpi -t or ~cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ0/temperature

Then the fan comes on, I think at full blast, and stays on until the laptop is shut down. It keeps the cpu at about 40 degrees C as per the above readouts. In 11.2 & 11.3, the fan doesn't come on to cool the cpu. It will come on if I let it go till it hits the overheat limit,then it cycles on and off to keep the cpu temperature about 90 or 95 degrees C.

Have you read FANCONTROL(8)?

No, I haven't read that. Would you expand on this so that I can understand what you are referring to? I need to be educated about this.

Have you included the kernel modules "fan" and "thermal"? No, I haven't. Would you expand on that so that I can understand what you are referring to and how to build and include these modules? I need to be educated about this.

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On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 12:15 -0500, Anton Aylward wrote:

Mark Misulich said the following on 02/21/2011 11:38 AM:

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Have you read FANCONTROL(8)? No, I haven't read that. Would you expand on this so that I can understand what you are referring to? I need to be educated about this.

That is the notation for a MAN PAGE. It means the FANCONTROL page in section 8 You can get at it by the CLI command

man 8 fancontrol

I found it by using the 'apropos' command which searches the titles of man pages for the keywords you supply.

As you might have gathered from y posts, when faced with an issue I first check the man pages, then the supplied documentation an eventually I "go google" if that fails. First I look for the site of the developer, then for people what have had a similar problem. If this doesn't solve things I'll ask here, but at this point I'm pretty well read on the background.

Thanks for the info. I have been trying to google a solution for about a year to this problem without success. I also tried posting on the list about this problem six months ago, but without any real help. This sounds promising, I will look at it and see if it will help. Thanks for the education. Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mark Misulich said the following on 02/21/2011 07:53 AM:

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Opensuse 11.2 & 3 don't turn on the cooling fans to keep the laptop from overheating.

Could you expand on that?

Have you read FANCONTROL(8)? Have you included the kernel modules "fan" and "thermal"? Hi, I have read through the Fancontrol(8) page, but not by looking it up in man pages. It won't show up that way in konsole. I did find it by googling it. I also read the links on that page to sensors, and

On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 09:00 -0500, Anton Aylward wrote: pwmconfig. As best as I can understand, Fancontrol is included in the program Sensors, which I installed via #zypper install sensors. Then, I found that fancontrol is a shell script that creates a fancontrol.conf file in /etc/fancontrol.conf , as I understand it. Trying to run it as a shell script doesn't work, it is contained in /usr/sbin/fancontrol. I cd'd to /usr/sbin and then did #./fancontrol or #sh ./fancontrol. Those commands didn't work,and after a little more research I found that I was supposed to run pwmconfig as a shell script, and that will set up the /etc/fancontrol.conf file. I tried to run the pwmconfig shell script, but the result was that it gave the output that there were no sensors controlled by pwm. So it didn't set up the fancontrol.conf file. I did a #zypper dup on my 11.3 installation on this laptop, and it installed a new kernel for me. As it was installing, it mentioned that it didn't find or include or install fan or thermal modules as part of the kernel installation. I forget which it said exactly, but the point is the modules aren't there. So, how do I install these modules? Also, what do I need to do to get some program to work to control the fan once the appropriate modules are installed? Thanks in advance. Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 16:39 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Mark Misulich [02-28-11 15:39]:

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I have read through the Fancontrol(8) page, but not by looking it up in man pages. It won't show up that way in konsole. I did find it by googling it.

"man Fancontrol(8)" does not work as it is improper context. "Fancontrol(8)" references manpage 8 for fancontrol, ie: man 8 fancontrol or, as there are no other pages: man fancontrol

I think that I was a fluke, I had the commands correct when I tried to access the man pages and they didn't appear. They are available now, however.

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I tried to run the pwmconfig shell script, but the result was that it gave the output that there were no sensors controlled by pwm. So it didn't set up the fancontrol.conf file.

you need to setup "sensors" first :^)

I ran the command #sensors-detect and set up sensors, however the result is still the same when I try to run #pwmconfig Here is the readout: # pwmconfig revision 5770 (2009-09-16) This program will search your sensors for pulse width modulation (pwm) controls, and test each one to see if it controls a fan on your motherboard. Note that many motherboards do not have pwm circuitry installed, even if your sensor chip supports pwm. We will attempt to briefly stop each fan using the pwm controls. The program will attempt to restore each fan to full speed after testing. However, it is ** very important ** that you physically verify that the fans have been to full speed after the program has completed. /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed Also, there is no /etc/fancontrol.conf file created. By the way, I am trying this both on 11.4 and 11.3 on this same laptop, and get the same results when I try to run this command. Am I missing a step between running sensors-detect and pwmconfig? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Mark Misulich [03-02-11 10:16]: ...

I am running a zypper dup on the 11.3 installation, and it is updating the kernel from the previous kernel. I found this output in the course of the update, and wonder if it is pertinent:

Retrieving: kernel-default-base-2.6.38-rc6.16.1.x86_64.rpm [done (163.5 KiB/s)] Installing: kernel-default-base-2.6.38-rc6.16.1 [done] Additional rpm output:

Kernel image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-rc6-16-default Initrd image: /boot/initrd-2.6.38-rc6-16-default Root device: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-FUJITSU_MJA2320BH_G2_K935T9928D9G-part10 (/dev/sda10) (mounted on / as ext3) Resume device: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-FUJITSU_MJA2320BH_G2_K935T9928D9G-part5 (/dev/sda5) modprobe: Module thermal not found. WARNING: no dependencies for kernel module 'thermal' found. modprobe: Module processor not found. WARNING: no dependencies for kernel module 'processor' found. modprobe: Module fan not found. WARNING: no dependencies for kernel module 'fan' found. modprobe: Module usbhid not found. WARNING: no dependencies for kernel module 'usbhid' found. Kernel Modules: usbcore pcmcia_core pcmcia mmc_core ssb ohci-hcd ehci-hcd uhci-hcd Features: block usb resume.userspace resume.kernel

I believe, but not sure, that these modprobe notices at that the modules are now *included* in the kernel and "modprobe" does not handle them. Sorry, I know less about fan control than the sensors utility which I have set up many times. I have little experience with laptops. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 28/02/11 20:38, Mark Misulich wrote:

Hi, I have read through the Fancontrol(8) page, but not by looking it up in man pages. It won't show up that way in konsole. I did find it by googling it. I also read the links on that page to sensors, and pwmconfig.

As best as I can understand, Fancontrol is included in the program Sensors, which I installed via #zypper install sensors. Then, I found that fancontrol is a shell script that creates a fancontrol.conf file in /etc/fancontrol.conf , as I understand it.

Trying to run it as a shell script doesn't work, it is contained in /usr/sbin/fancontrol. I cd'd to /usr/sbin and then did #./fancontrol or #sh ./fancontrol. Those commands didn't work,and after a little more research I found that I was supposed to run pwmconfig as a shell script, and that will set up the /etc/fancontrol.conf file.

I tried to run the pwmconfig shell script, but the result was that it gave the output that there were no sensors controlled by pwm. So it didn't set up the fancontrol.conf file.

I did a #zypper dup on my 11.3 installation on this laptop, and it installed a new kernel for me. As it was installing, it mentioned that it didn't find or include or install fan or thermal modules as part of the kernel installation. I forget which it said exactly, but the point is the modules aren't there.

So, how do I install these modules? Also, what do I need to do to get some program to work to control the fan once the appropriate modules are installed?

Thanks in advance. Mark

Try (as root)

/usr/sbin/sensors-detect (follow instructions given)

then

/usr/sbin/pwm-config (follow instructions)

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On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 09:23:47AM -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, it looks like Opensuse 11.1 is starting to go away to die of old age. Unfortunately I have to keep using it on this laptop, as Opensuse 11.2 & 3 don't turn on the cooling fans to keep the laptop from overheating. Only 11.1 works.  I have addressed this issue with Novel via bugzilla, but they haven't provided any solution.

I have found that the repos are slowly going away for updates.  I removed the repos for

Education OpenOffice Wine devel:languages Perl

as they don't exist anymore for 11.1. Does anyone know where I may find these repos now?

I believe those are now dead and gone.

But in the build service there is now: DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1

That is what other repos such as you listed need to build against to keep providing packages for 11.1. Evergreen 11.1 is based on this foundation as well, but the above repos should build against DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1 unless there is a specific reason to build against Evergreen 11.1

If I were you, I would look up the bug owner for each of the repos you care about and send them an email asking if they will add the DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1 repo to their list of build targets. It is a relatively quick and painless process for them, so I would hope they respond. You can mention Evergreen is still releasing security updates for 11.1, so there is an ongoing userbase for 11.1 dispite it being officially discontinued.

You can look up the bug owner in obs by going to the project, then clicking advanced, then users, then scrolling down past the maintainers.

Or any of the maintainers can add a repo as well.

I did adjust Wine already and readded 11.1. So no need to mail me. And you can in general live without updates from these repos. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Monday 21 February 2011 17:23:47 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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You can look up the bug owner in obs by going to the project, then clicking advanced, then users, then scrolling down past the maintainers.

Or any of the maintainers can add a repo as well.

Does anybody want KDE3 repository for 11.1?

If possible, please. Thanks a lot! -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 18:58 +0300, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Monday 21 February 2011 17:23:47 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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You can look up the bug owner in obs by going to the project, then clicking advanced, then users, then scrolling down past the maintainers.

Or any of the maintainers can add a repo as well.

Does anybody want KDE3 repository for 11.1?

Yeah, I do, please. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2011/02/21 22:44 (GMT+0300) Ilya Chernykh composed:

Mark Misulich wrote:

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Does anybody want KDE3 repository for 11.1?

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Yeah, I do, please.

Ok. I have re-created it. Just wait until it rebuilds.

Seems to me any more than nominal effort put into this would be better invested in getting rpm repos of Trinity up. Last I checked it it was up to 3.5.12, indicating lot of nit fixing going on since 3.5.10.whatever. -- "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 21 February 2011 05:58:12 am Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Monday 21 February 2011 17:23:47 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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You can look up the bug owner in obs by going to the project, then clicking advanced, then users, then scrolling down past the maintainers.

Or any of the maintainers can add a repo as well.

Does anybody want KDE3 repository for 11.1?

well, since 11.1 - 64 bit and kde3 are what i use, yes, i would like the kde-3 repo. actually, i have not booted into anything else in more than a year:) d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org