Mutt with cable modem.
I want to read and manage my messages in Mutt with the following command: mutt -f pop://<account>@<pop server>.<ISP>.<whatever> How do I do this, i.e. get into pager while on a remote pop server? The commands listed are q:Quit, d:Del, u:Undel, s:Save, m:Mail (i.e new message), r:Reply (as in reply to message), g:Group, ?:Help. I know this must be very basic, but I don't get it. I have looked at the manual and all sorts of other resources, but either this issue isn't listed or I am suffering from info overload. Can anyone help? Cheers, Brian
* Brian Durant;
How do I do this, i.e. get into pager while on a remote pop server? The commands listed are q:Quit, d:Del, u:Undel, s:Save, m:Mail (i.e new message), r:Reply (as in reply to message), g:Group, ?:Help. I know this must be very basic, but I don't get it. I have looked at the manual and all sorts of other resources, but either this issue isn't listed or I am suffering from info overload. Can anyone help?
#set pop_host=mail.isppopserver.com #set pop_user=username #set pop_pass=password #set pop_delete=yes Is what I used to have in my ".muttrc" then by pressing" "Shift" + "G" mutt fetches the mail from the isp pop account. I think there is even a parameter to check every X minute. However I found it easier to do with fetchmail procmail combination along with spamassassin since this combo fetches sorts and cleans from spam before I start reading the mails HTH -- Togan Muftuoglu Unofficial SuSE FAQ Maintainer http://dinamizm.ath.cx
On Friday 19 April 2002 15:11, Togan Muftuoglu wrote: - #set pop_host=mail.isppopserver.com - #set pop_user=username - #set pop_pass=password - #set pop_delete=yes - - - Is what I used to have in my ".muttrc" then by pressing" "Shift" + "G" - mutt fetches the mail from the isp pop account. I think there is even a - parameter to check every X minute. - - However I found it easier to do with fetchmail procmail combination - along with spamassassin since this combo fetches sorts and cleans from - spam before I start reading the mails This I understand, but this is not what I want to do. I want to log onto a pop server, delete the obvious spam and then read messages and reply to those I chose all from the remote pop server, without actually downloading anything until the end of the session. That is why I start Mutt in a console with the "mutt -f pop://<account>@<pop server>.<ISP>.<whatever>" command. Linux Free Mail talks about Pine sessions, maybe this is similar to what I want to do in Mutt, I don't know. I haven't been able to find any general newbie reference as to how such a session would work. Cheers, Brian
* Brian Durant;
"mutt -f pop://<account>@<pop server>.<ISP>.<whatever>"
command. Linux Free Mail talks about Pine sessions, maybe this is similar to what I want to do in Mutt, I don't know. I haven't been able to find any general newbie reference as to how such a session would work.
Have you checked 4.10 in the mutt manual where it discusses your preferred method -- Togan Muftuoglu Unofficial SuSE FAQ Maintainer http://dinamizm.ath.cx
On Friday 19 April 2002 16:27, Togan Muftuoglu wrote: - Have you checked 4.10 in the mutt manual where it discusses your - preferred method Yes, I have. As I said, I would like to read and reply to mail from the pop server, before fetching anything. There is no mention of this in 4.10. Is there a way to do this in Pine or is there another way to get this to work in Mutt? Cheers, Brian
* Brian Durant;
On Friday 19 April 2002 16:27, Togan Muftuoglu wrote: - Have you checked 4.10 in the mutt manual where it discusses your - preferred method
Yes, I have. As I said, I would like to read and reply to mail from the pop server, before fetching anything. There is no mention of this in 4.10. Is there a way to do this in Pine or is there another way to get this to work in Mutt?
To my understanding the mutt manual says with your preferred method you can fetch the selected messages to your local messagebox and then reply. So I do not think that you can read the meail, reply and sent by connecting to your popserver -- Togan Muftuoglu Unofficial SuSE FAQ Maintainer http://dinamizm.ath.cx
On Friday 19 April 2002 16:59, Togan Muftuoglu wrote: - To my understanding the mutt manual says with your preferred method you - can fetch the selected messages to your local messagebox and then reply. - So I do not think that you can read the meail, reply and sent by - connecting to your popserver My point exactly. It is odd that this isn't possible when there are more and more people with cable Internet access. Is it possible with Pine? Anyone? Cheers, Brian
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 05:20:41PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote:
My point exactly. It is odd that this isn't possible when there are more and more people with cable Internet access. Is it possible with Pine? Anyone?
I don't think the issue is mutt, but pop3. AFAIK, the pop3 protocol requires you to download messages and store them locally to read them. If you had a remote shell session, then you would just be downloading them to the remote machine and in that way they would stay there. The protocol that allows you to store and manage messages on the mail server is IMAP4. If your ISP provides IMAP4 access to your mail, then you can store all your messages on the mail server, including creating new folders to store and move the messages around. So, I think you need an IMAP mail server and a MUA that supports IMAP to make things work this way. If I am missing something, please let me know. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ I can C for miles and miles Got spam? Get SPASTIC http://spastic.sourceforge.net
On Friday 19 April 2002 18:13, Keith Winston wrote: - I don't think the issue is mutt, but pop3. AFAIK, the pop3 protocol - requires you to download messages and store them locally to read them. - Before you can read them? Why would that be? I can reply to messages listed on the pop server. Is it any different with browsing or reading? Hmm. - - If you had a remote shell session, then you would just be downloading - them to the remote machine and in that way they would stay there. - Sorry, this I really don't understand. Remote shell session, would that be running a shell on a remote machine or running a shell session that does something on a remote machine? I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this. Are you thinking about programs like Timbuktu in the Mac/Win world that run a remote desktop? - - The protocol that allows you to store and manage messages on the mail server - is IMAP4. If your ISP provides IMAP4 access to your mail, then you can - store all your messages on the mail server, including creating new - folders to store and move the messages around. So, I think you need an - IMAP mail server and a MUA that supports IMAP to make things work this - way. If I am missing something, please let me know. - I'll try and check my ISP, but I doubt that this is possible. In this context, how does Linux Free Mail deal with IMAP? While I subscribe, I don't understand why they are touting Pine session support. Does that mean that they support the sending of messages when logged on with Pine? Could I do what I want to do with LFM? They otherwise state that you can only send via their HTTP interface. Newbie, but trying not to be ;-) Cheers, Brian -- Is Windows the best desktop system because it is used by a majority of computer users, or is it simply the desktop system installed on a majority of computers? Choose freedom. Choose Linux.
* Brian Durant;
On Friday 19 April 2002 16:59, Togan Muftuoglu wrote: My point exactly. It is odd that this isn't possible when there are more and more people with cable Internet access. Is it possible with Pine? Anyone?
What you want is only possible my www.mail2web.com -- Togan Muftuoglu Unofficial SuSE FAQ Maintainer http://dinamizm.ath.cx
On Friday 19 April 2002 19:05, Togan Muftuoglu wrote: - What you want is only possible my www.mail2web.com - Nope. I just want to be able to log onto a POP3 (or IMAP) server, list my mails, throw out the spam, read the mails that I want to, reply to some and then download the mails that I consider important enough to archive on my hard disk. A cable modem connection means that it no longer is necessary to download everything and then read/reply, etc. mail2web is just a gateway that I don't need, as I see it. Unless... there really aren't any e-mail clients out there that will do what I want :-( After all, Linux = choice. Cheers, Brian
* Brian Durant;
On Friday 19 April 2002 19:05, Togan Muftuoglu wrote: - What you want is only possible my www.mail2web.com I don't need, as I see it. Unless... there really aren't any e-mail clients out there that will do what I want :-( After all, Linux = choice.
and out of curiosity under other OS2s which client does that -- Togan Muftuoglu Unofficial SuSE FAQ Maintainer http://dinamizm.ath.cx
On Friday 19 April 2002 19:33, Togan Muftuoglu wrote: - and out of curiosity under other OS2s which client does that That was a general comment. I have no idea, but I have discovered so much great software out there since I started using Linux, that it almost seems a shame if there isn't a Linux e-mail program that does what I described ;-) Cheers, Brian
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 07:28:30PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote:
Nope. I just want to be able to log onto a POP3 (or IMAP) server, list my mails, throw out the spam, read the mails that I want to, reply to some and then download the mails that I consider important enough to archive on my hard disk. A cable modem connection means that it no longer is necessary to download everything and then read/reply, etc. mail2web is just a gateway that I don't need, as I see it. Unless... there really aren't any e-mail clients out there that will do what I want :-( After all, Linux = choice.
I don't think you can do what you want to with ANY POP3 client on any OS anywhere. POP3 was not designed to work that way, IMAP was. There might be POP3 commands that let you look at the headers of waiting mail without downloading them, and deleting them without downloading them, and you can tell POP3 to leave a copy of your messages on the server, but AFAIK, you HAVE to download them message to read it and/or reply to it with POP3. If there is a low level e-mail expert on the list, maybe they can confirm this. You can also do the research yourself at: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/ Search for POP3 and IMAP to read what the standards say. Keep in mind that different implementations may not support everything published in a standard or may have additional optional features not defined in a standard. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ I can C for miles and miles Got spam? Get SPASTIC http://spastic.sourceforge.net
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 09:22:44AM -0400, Keith Winston wrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 07:28:30PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote:
Nope. I just want to be able to log onto a POP3 (or IMAP) server, list my mails, throw out the spam, read the mails that I want to, reply to some and then download the mails that I consider important enough to archive on my hard disk. A cable modem connection means that it no longer is necessary to download everything and then read/reply, etc. mail2web is just a gateway that I don't need, as I see it. Unless... there really aren't any e-mail clients out there that will do what I want :-( After all, Linux = choice.
I don't think you can do what you want to with ANY POP3 client on any OS anywhere. POP3 was not designed to work that way, IMAP was. There might be POP3 commands that let you look at the headers of waiting mail without downloading them, and deleting them without downloading them, and you can tell POP3 to leave a copy of your messages on the server, but AFAIK, you HAVE to download them message to read it and/or reply to it with POP3. If there is a low level e-mail expert on the list, maybe they can confirm this.
telnet pop.isp.domain pop3 user <name> pass <word> list, dele, retr, stat See RFC1939 Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven ICBM 52 8 24N , 4 32 40E. S.u.S.E 7.3 x86 Kernel 2.4.16-4GB
On Saturday 20 April 2002 19:00, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: - telnet pop.isp.domain pop3 - user <name> - pass <word> - list, dele, retr, stat - - See RFC1939 Interesting reading Theo, but I didn't see a listing for reading mail on the POP3 server anyplace. Can I therefore assume that reading mail on the POP3 server is not supported? Cheers, Brian
On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 10:52:23AM +0700, Brian Durant wrote:
On Saturday 20 April 2002 19:00, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: - telnet pop.isp.domain pop3 - user <name> - pass <word> - list, dele, retr, stat - - See RFC1939
Interesting reading Theo, but I didn't see a listing for reading mail on the POP3 server anyplace. Can I therefore assume that reading mail on the POP3 server is not supported?
I'm not sure I'm following you here Brian, to what listing are you refering? Whenever there's a POP server listening one can telnet to it and read mail, delete stuff etc., provided of course a valid USER & PASS is available. More secure would be to use APOP, where no plain passwd or username travels the lines, or to setup a ssh tunnel between the ISP and the workplace. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven ICBM 52 8 24N , 4 32 40E. S.u.S.E 7.3 x86 Kernel 2.4.16-4GB
On Monday 22 April 2002 04:03, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: - I'm not sure I'm following you here Brian, to what listing are you refering? - Whenever there's a POP server listening one can telnet to it and read mail, - delete stuff etc., provided of course a valid USER & PASS is available. - More secure would be to use APOP, where no plain passwd or username travels the - lines, or to setup a ssh tunnel between the ISP and the workplace. What I mean by listing is a listing of the read online capability. SUre, there was list, dele, reter, stat, as you mention, but I couldn't find anywhere on RFC1939 mentioned a reading capability. Or is it just me? Cheers, Brian 8-)
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 09:34:19AM +0700, Brian Durant wrote:
On Monday 22 April 2002 04:03, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: - I'm not sure I'm following you here Brian, to what listing are you referring? - Whenever there's a POP server listening one can telnet to it and read mail, - delete stuff etc., provided of course a valid USER & PASS is available. - More secure would be to use APOP, where no plain passwd or username travels the - lines, or to setup a ssh tunnel between the ISP and the workplace.
What I mean by listing is a listing of the read online capability. SUre, there was list, dele, reter, stat, as you mention, but I couldn't find anywhere on RFC1939 mentioned a reading capability. Or is it just me?
Ah, ok. With 'LIST' you get a list (surprise) of available messages numbered from n=1 to n=<# mails>, with 'RETR n' you read the message you're interested in. It's possible to just read the headers with POP, if the server implements the TOP msg n command: If the POP3 server issues a positive response, then the response given is multi-line. After the initial +OK, the POP3 server sends the headers of the message, the blank line separating the headers from the body, and then the number of lines of the indicated message's body, being careful to byte-stuff the termination character (as with all multi-line responses). I'm pretty sure you could have found this yourself in the RFC btw.. HTH, Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven ICBM 52 8 24N , 4 32 40E. S.u.S.E 7.3 x86 Kernel 2.4.16-4GB
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