On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 10:57 PM, John M Andersen wrote:

Seriously, you couldn't PAY me to use Exchange.

I may not use it for my company email, but I might have a client pay me to test a specific feature. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:44 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 10/24/2015 09:57 PM, John M Andersen wrote:

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Seriously, you couldn't PAY me to use Exchange.

+1,

After eGroupWare matured along with webdav (caldav/carddav), the need for exchange vanished. You could now do with and open-source/MySQL backend what MS had worked to have a monopoly on (integrated calendar, contact, group scheduling, project management, mail, todo, phone log, etc...) Yes, I'm sure there are still some MS only features exchange has, but after going the eGroupWare route 10 years ago (and adding hylafax/avantfax for group fax), I have yet to find anything I need to do that it can't.

Maybe when Greg is done with his experiment, he can give us a summary of what we are all missing out on... (ducking...)

In my job supporting lawyers in litigation I often have to make copies of mailboxes. More often than not the mailbox is in an exchange server, so I have to work with it to some extent. Here are some features of Exchange pre-2016 which impact my job and I wonder if they can be accomplished with opensource tools: - deleted emails disappear from the users mailbox, but are maintained in the EDB (exchange database) until a full backup is made. Thus if you make a monthly full backup, you have a full copy of all emails from the year contained within 12 backups. (This is enabled by default, but can be turned off.) - A user's mailbox can be designated as in "litigation hold". In that mode deleted emails are maintained in the EDB indefinitely. Obviously you want to lift the litigation hold at some point and let those deleted emails disappear. I had one client which had various overlapping lawsuits. They had a seven year span where many of the key people were in litigation hold the entire time. The US civil courts can get very upset ($$) if relevant emails are not preserved while a litigation is ongoing. The easiest solution is just to preserve all of them for people who may be involved. - If a user's mailbox is in litigation hold mode and they edit a received or sent email, then the version that went across the wires is saved and so is the modified one. Thus if a user attempts to edit a key email to say something other than what it actually said, their actions are easily identified. (This is exclusively true if the litigation hold mode is enabled for the mailbox.) - There is an "Export-mailbox" command that runs from the EMS (Exchange Management Shell) that exports a mailbox including any deleted emails that are being maintained in the EDB as described above. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2015-10-26 09:55, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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- A user's mailbox can be designated as in "litigation hold". In that mode deleted emails are maintained in the EDB indefinitely.

And the sysadmins can ensure that the server remains up, data untouched, for seven years? Wow.

No, but one can maintain monthly backups and know the most recent backup is reliable source of archived emails. If the system is about to be retired, you can export a copy of the mailbox as part of the decommissioning.

Why can't the courts just order an image to be taken and stored till the lawsuit ends?

If a lawsuit goes on for years, then current emails are also required to be preserved, so a point in time snapshot is not sufficient.

Just curious, I mostly know about the USA court system from the movies ;-)

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- If a user's mailbox is in litigation hold mode and they edit a received or sent email, then the version that went across the wires is saved and so is the modified one. Thus if a user attempts to edit a key email to say something other than what it actually said, their actions are easily identified. (This is exclusively true if the litigation hold mode is enabled for the mailbox.)

LOL. That's one reason to never use Exchange. Better use dovecot and retrieve to local machine. :-P

With Exchange 2003, if you knew what you were doing you could circumvent the technology and do that . I don't know about newer Exchange releases. I'd have to setup a test server and run some experiments. ;) Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

25.10.2015 05:33, Greg Freemyer пишет:

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Thanks Linda,

Downloading now. Don't know if I will ever use it, but it is nice to have the option for free.

Free?

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb124582(v=exchg.160).aspx

Previous versions are available for download as well. So I'm a bit confused why this one was picked out as something special.

And "to play with it" one needs Windows Server; is it available "for free" too?

Not quite free, but if you buy a second-hand server, there's a good chance it comes with a Windows Server license. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.0°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/25/2015 07:46 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 10/24/2015 10:33 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Downloading now. Don't know if I will ever use it, but it is nice to have the option for free.

I didn't notice a Linux version. ;-)

Yes, but Microsoft *IS* committed to Linux. It says so right there ... er ... ahm .. wait a moment ... -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org