[opensuse] linux popularity
Hello, Surfing a very good web site about digital photo, I found statistics that interested me and could interest you. Given the site subject, one can think the site visitors are mostly technically oriented. I have no connection to this web site. http://www.clarkvision.com the statistics are: Share of operating systems accessing this site: December December December December December 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Windows 86.8 83.1 % 74.3 % 65.1 % 46.7 % Linux 1.8 2.5 6.2 5.1 3.1 Android (Linux) 0.1 0.7 1.2 3.7 15.2 Mac (Unix) 11.0 11.8 12.9 12.6 13.6 Ipad (Unix) 0.0 0.9 3.9 10.2 7.9 Iphone (Unix) 0.3 1.0 1.4 3.3 13.5 I notice a grow of linux systems till 2011 followed by a decrease in favor of Android (kind of linux?). This shows than surfing is very often nowadays done from mobile device (android+ipd+iphone=36.6%) Windows become minority in favor of unix systems (as Mac is unix) but what have to warn us is that linux is 3.1% and what can be in this openSUSE? probably less than 1% I wonder of two things: * what exactly is a linux system (Mac, Android are they Linux even in some respect?) * is such market share livable, specially when we see it's lowering. Can we challenge Android on portable devices? Nptice mac continue growing, may be because the Apple ecosystem thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/18/2014 09:48 AM, jdd wrote:
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I notice a grow of linux systems till 2011 followed by a decrease in favor of Android (kind of linux?).
This shows than surfing is very often nowadays done from mobile device (android+ipd+iphone=36.6%)
Windows become minority in favor of unix systems (as Mac is unix)
but what have to warn us is that linux is 3.1% and what can be in this openSUSE? probably less than 1%
I wonder of two things:
* what exactly is a linux system (Mac, Android are they Linux even in some respect?) * is such market share livable, specially when we see it's lowering. Can we challenge Android on portable devices?
Nptice mac continue growing, may be because the Apple ecosystem
Not 'ecosystem' so much as specific software tools. Apple has always favoured de development and application of graphical editing & composition. Nothing new there. Android tablets also have favoured graphical tools & editing. With them its more a matter of convenience. Take the photos, even if its not of the quality of you Canon/Sony/Nikon[1] DSLR/mirrorless and edit it on the spot. BYDT. Just soooooo convenient. Fun, Fun, Fun... But for serious aka professional high-res photo editing people tend to use something like Adobe Lighttable ... Although I'd use Darktable :-) [1] Need to add Fuji, Samsung and others depending on budget, availability and prejudice. I carry a Fuji 'pocket[2]' camera almost as much as my Android phone and it has a larger sensor/lens than the phone, but is more accessible than the Canon DSLR. Remarkable quality for many situations but needs to use RAW+Darktable to get the best. [2] Phones are the ultimate 'pocket' and 'instant' camera. The quality of a 5M or 8M phone is good enough for web sites, the limitation being the skill of the operator. Modern photoediting tools in phones can make up for many shortcomings :-) -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 18 December 2014 15:48:19 jdd wrote:
Hello,
Surfing a very good web site about digital photo, I found statistics that interested me and could interest you.
Given the site subject, one can think the site visitors are mostly technically oriented.
I have no connection to this web site.
the statistics are:
Share of operating systems accessing this site:
December December December December December 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Windows 86.8 83.1 % 74.3 % 65.1 % 46.7 % Linux 1.8 2.5 6.2 5.1 3.1 Android (Linux) 0.1 0.7 1.2 3.7 15.2 Mac (Unix) 11.0 11.8 12.9 12.6 13.6 Ipad (Unix) 0.0 0.9 3.9 10.2 7.9 Iphone (Unix) 0.3 1.0 1.4 3.3 13.5
I notice a grow of linux systems till 2011 followed by a decrease in favor of Android (kind of linux?).
This shows than surfing is very often nowadays done from mobile device (android+ipd+iphone=36.6%)
Windows become minority in favor of unix systems (as Mac is unix)
but what have to warn us is that linux is 3.1% and what can be in this openSUSE? probably less than 1%
I wonder of two things:
* what exactly is a linux system (Mac, Android are they Linux even in some respect?) * is such market share livable, specially when we see it's lowering. Can we challenge Android on portable devices?
Nptice mac continue growing, may be because the Apple ecosystem
It would be much more useful just to see the numbers instead of percentage. 1. Drop in linux and fast growth in android looks very suspicious, by default I would assume that some of android browsers were identified as linux before some update happened in the middle of 2012 and in 2013 they got it right. 2. It may be just simple growth of target audience or release of special app for that website. Maybe n 2011 they had like 20*x visits, then after the release of app and some advertising they got 60*x visits. Which again would not show a fair percentage rate. As for market share, I'd say as long as www.suse.com earns enough money and there is a target audience for opensuse - share does not matter at all, even tiniest bit. And of course I would not try to play against ios/android in their fields, that will be huge investment which will barely pay back, and may result in the same bad situation as gnome3 did, when they lost all of their previous target audience and could not acquire large new target audience. If I was deciding for opensuse/suse how to grow the share, I would probably go to devops of big companies and ask them how suse can help in their daily job, maybe tools like kiwi and obs can be used to minimize the amount of chef/puppet work that is done in such fields. Which means that in the end market share may grow on server side, not on end-user devices. -- Regards, Stas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-12-18 16:21, Stanislav Baiduzhyi wrote:
1. Drop in linux and fast growth in android looks very suspicious, by default I would assume that some of android browsers were identified as linux before some update happened in the middle of 2012 and in 2013 they got it right.
No, android devices are growing and reaching the masses, not only the geeks. I got my first android about those dates, and then I convinced some others, and others were convinced by others. it is growing exponentially, as the people that previously used other phones are switching to androids as their previous phones die, and they see friends, sons, nephews, etc, using them, and liking them. Plus it is what they offer you on shops. At least in Spain you can get them in several brands, from the relatively expensive Samsung to the cheapest Chinese. It is no surprise to me that android devices expand like fungi now - even grandmothers that never touched a computer in their lives have one now :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Thursday 18 December 2014 17:10:47 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2014-12-18 16:21, Stanislav Baiduzhyi wrote:
1. Drop in linux and fast growth in android looks very suspicious, by default I would assume that some of android browsers were identified as linux before some update happened in the middle of 2012 and in 2013 they got it right. No, android devices are growing and reaching the masses, not only the geeks. I got my first android about those dates, and then I convinced some others, and others were convinced by others. it is growing exponentially, as the people that previously used other phones are switching to androids as their previous phones die, and they see friends, sons, nephews, etc, using them, and liking them. Plus it is what they offer you on shops. At least in Spain you can get them in several brands, from the relatively expensive Samsung to the cheapest Chinese.
It is no surprise to me that android devices expand like fungi now - even grandmothers that never touched a computer in their lives have one now :-)
Yes, I completely agree with that. I'm not saying that android is not growing or something. But just look at those numbers. Take a look at 2012-2013 especially. Roughly, windows dropped 30% and linux dropped 40%, while android raised 500% and iphone raised 400%. I cannot see people switching from dekstop to android completely, I can see them only adding android to the list of their devices. That's what I mean, numbers are suspicious, and because of that I would not trust that statistics too much. Would be much more interesting to see 2013-2014 comparison. -- Regards, Stas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-12-18 17:22, Stanislav Baiduzhyi wrote:
Yes, I completely agree with that. I'm not saying that android is not growing or something. But just look at those numbers. Take a look at 2012-2013 especially. Roughly, windows dropped 30% and linux dropped 40%, while android raised 500% and iphone raised 400%. I cannot see people switching from dekstop to android completely, I can see them only adding android to the list of their devices.
You would have to look at stats from other sites, because the target audience of that site, as Anton said, is specific. I do know several people that now browse mostly from their tablet devices, though. They can do that in bed or sofa. The pity of this is that pages intended for phones and tablets will become heavier. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Le 18/12/2014 17:34, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I do know several people that now browse mostly from their tablet devices, though. They can do that in bed or sofa.
yes, as I said these numbers are for browsing only, but it's the main use of computers for many people (at home) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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It is no surprise to me that android devices expand like fungi now - even grandmothers that never touched a computer in their lives have one now :-)
ONE? I don't know a single android user that has only ONE. Within arms reach I have 4 Android devices, Current phone, prior phone, prior-to-prior phone and a tablet. Wife has two more (plus one under the tree). We both have Linux as well. (Oh, wait, Nooks are Android too, make that 5 within reach). - -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEUEARECAAYFAlSTgeMACgkQv7M3G5+2DLJU8gCeKGpsKEpIUAbIxLtlazhaY5oM FCgAmMwlq2ruwIQIOqSmwJhOUmVDOto= =az2n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
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On 12/18/2014 08:10 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is no surprise to me that android devices expand like fungi now - even grandmothers that never touched a computer in their lives have one now :-)
ONE?
I don't know a single android user that has only ONE. Within arms reach I have 4 Android devices, Current phone, prior phone, prior-to-prior phone and a tablet. Wife has two more (plus one under the tree).
It must be my age showing - we've got 3-4 in the household altogether, but I've only got one (which I rarely use). Adding another today though. Got a Minix X7 sitting on a shelf, I was hoping to use it it for MythTV, but have not had time to work with it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On December 19, 2014 2:10:28 AM EST, Per Jessen
John Andersen wrote:
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On 12/18/2014 08:10 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is no surprise to me that android devices expand like fungi now - even grandmothers that never touched a computer in their lives have one now :-)
ONE?
I don't know a single android user that has only ONE. Within arms reach I have 4 Android devices, Current phone, prior phone, prior-to-prior phone and a tablet. Wife has two more (plus one under the tree).
It must be my age showing - we've got 3-4 in the household altogether, but I've only got one (which I rarely use). Adding another today though. Got a Minix X7 sitting on a shelf, I was hoping to use it it for MythTV, but have not had time to work with it.
Per, I just got a fire stick a couple days ago. Android based I'm pretty sure. http://www.amazon.com/Amazon-W87CUN-Fire-TV-Stick/dp/B00GDQ0RMG Amazingly, I bought it for $20 during the roll-out sale a few weeks ago. The specs are amazing: dual core cpu, 1 gb ram, 8 gb flash. I haven't done much with it yet, but it is cool. Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On December 19, 2014 2:10:28 AM EST, Per Jessen
wrote: John Andersen wrote:
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On 12/18/2014 08:10 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is no surprise to me that android devices expand like fungi now - even grandmothers that never touched a computer in their lives have one now :-)
ONE?
I don't know a single android user that has only ONE. Within arms reach I have 4 Android devices, Current phone, prior phone, prior-to-prior phone and a tablet. Wife has two more (plus one under the tree).
It must be my age showing - we've got 3-4 in the household altogether, but I've only got one (which I rarely use). Adding another today though. Got a Minix X7 sitting on a shelf, I was hoping to use it it for MythTV, but have not had time to work with it.
Per,
I just got a fire stick a couple days ago. Android based I'm pretty sure.
http://www.amazon.com/Amazon-W87CUN-Fire-TV-Stick/dp/B00GDQ0RMG
Amazingly, I bought it for $20 during the roll-out sale a few weeks ago.
The specs are amazing: dual core cpu, 1 gb ram, 8 gb flash.
I haven't done much with it yet, but it is cool.
Yep, sure looks cool. If it would now also run the mythtv client. The amazon "Green House-X5II TV Box Fire TV" looks an awful lot like ym Minix X7. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.0°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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On December 19, 2014 6:27:23 AM EST, Per Jessen
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On December 19, 2014 2:10:28 AM EST, Per Jessen
wrote: John Andersen wrote:
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On 12/18/2014 08:10 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is no surprise to me that android devices expand like fungi now - even grandmothers that never touched a computer in their lives have one now :-)
ONE?
I don't know a single android user that has only ONE. Within arms reach I have 4 Android devices, Current phone, prior phone, prior-to-prior phone and a tablet. Wife has two more (plus one under the tree).
It must be my age showing - we've got 3-4 in the household
altogether,
but I've only got one (which I rarely use). Adding another today though. Got a Minix X7 sitting on a shelf, I was hoping to use it it for MythTV, but have not had time to work with it.
Per,
I just got a fire stick a couple days ago. Android based I'm pretty sure.
http://www.amazon.com/Amazon-W87CUN-Fire-TV-Stick/dp/B00GDQ0RMG
Amazingly, I bought it for $20 during the roll-out sale a few weeks ago.
The specs are amazing: dual core cpu, 1 gb ram, 8 gb flash.
I haven't done much with it yet, but it is cool.
Yep, sure looks cool. If it would now also run the mythtv client. The amazon "Green House-X5II TV Box Fire TV" looks an awful lot like ym Minix X7.
A little reading says it runs fire OS which is Amazon's android derivative. Amazon has its own store for fire OS apps. The Amazon store has the mythtv android frontend client in it (by Daniel Frey). I assume it is what you are talking about and that it can be installed. I also found this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/580202#580202 It says the mythtv front-end xbmc (kodi) can be installed and it works. Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 19/12/2014 02:39, John Andersen a écrit :
(Oh, wait, Nooks are Android too, make that 5 within reach).
the question is not so simple, because nearly all "devices" are linux. "device" (I do not found better word) are, here the "boxes", the "modems" and even on my epub reader I found yesterday "FILECHK000x" showing it runs also linux. this is much, but I don't know how they advertise when surfing (probably nothing) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/19/2014 03:09 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 19/12/2014 02:39, John Andersen a écrit :
(Oh, wait, Nooks are Android too, make that 5 within reach).
the question is not so simple, because nearly all "devices" are linux.
"device" (I do not found better word) are, here the "boxes", the "modems" and even on my epub reader I found yesterday "FILECHK000x" showing it runs also linux.
this is much, but I don't know how they advertise when surfing (probably nothing)
Well, if you're counting devices, there's also at least one of my TVs, Blu-ray player, DVR and A/V receiver. Also, most consumer grade routers run Linux or BSD. Even commercial grade equipment from Cisco runs some Unix derivative. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-12-19 09:09, jdd wrote:
this is much, but I don't know how they advertise when surfing (probably nothing)
Firefox: 192.168.... - - [19/Dec/2014:13:23:23 +0100] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 993 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Android; Tablet; rv:34.0) Gecko/34.0 Firefox/34.0" Native browser:
192.168.... - - [19/Dec/2014:14:04:53 +0100] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 993 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 4.4.2; LETAB719 Build/KOT49H) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Chrome/30.0.0.0 Safari/537.36"
Chrome:
192.168.... - - [19/Dec/2014:14:07:28 +0100] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 993 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 4.4.2; LETAB719 Build/KOT49H) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Chrome/30.0.0.0 Safari/537.36"
Funny. The internal or native browser of my tablet identifies itself the same as chrome, but it doesn't behave like it nor looks like it. Interestingly, Firefox does not mention the word "Linux", but Chrome does, and much more. Even the make of the tablet. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:48 AM, jdd
I wonder of two things:
* what exactly is a linux system (Mac, Android are they Linux even in some respect?)
- Android is a flavor of Linux. Lots of customization, but at its core it has a linux kernel. You can start up a terminal session and run many linux commands. There are debug tools that let you connect to the android device from a standard PC across the usb bus. With that, you get the terminal session up on your screen. One big issue for me is you are NOT provided the root password, so things that require "sudo" don't work. There are various "rooting" apps out there that exploit security holes in the kernel and provide root access. The ones I've used just allow sudo to work without requiring a password. A phone/tablet that has an applet like that installed is referred to as "rooted". - Mac OS - (from wiki) - It is however a Unix operating system, based on the NeXTSTEP operating system and the XNU kernel which Apple acquired after purchasing NeXT Computer—with its CEO Steve Jobs returning to Apple at that time. OS X also makes use of the BSD code.[9] Greg -- Greg Freemyer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:48 AM, jdd
I wonder of two things:
* what exactly is a linux system (Mac, Android are they Linux even in some respect?)
- Android is a flavor of Linux. Lots of customization, but at its core it has a linux kernel. You can start up a terminal session and run many linux commands. There are debug tools that let you connect to the android device from a standard PC across the usb bus. With that, you get the terminal session up on your screen. One big issue for me is you are NOT provided the root password, so things that require "sudo" don't work. There are various "rooting" apps out there that exploit security holes in the kernel and provide root access. The ones I've used just allow sudo to work without requiring a password. A phone/tablet that has an applet like that installed is referred to as "rooted". - -- Greg Freemyer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
participants (8)
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Anton Aylward
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Carlos E. R.
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Greg Freemyer
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James Knott
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jdd
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John Andersen
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Per Jessen
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Stanislav Baiduzhyi