On 05/21/2012 11:36 PM, phanisvara das wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 02:47:51 +0530, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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I'm trying to use Joomla to build a website. This may not be the right approach. But in any event, I want to get an attractive site up quickly, but as I dig around it looks like I'm going to be doing a lot more HTML and CSS stuff than I expected. I was going to use a template that uses the JA T3 framework, which I thought had an admin panel. I have gone through some of the Joomla documentation, and am just lost at this point. If i have to do CSS and such, I'll learn it through Codeacademy.com but I would like some tips, if somebody could point me to the right direction. I'm open to using another CMS if it would be easier. I just want to get a relatively simple but compelling site up for my small business. Should I use a WYSIWYG editor like Kompozer?

I'm just lost, and need some pointers so I can actually understand what I need to know to get where I want.

In my opinion the lines are drawn clearly. If you are looking for 1. Simple Blog site 2. Company website with a few pages 3. Basic news/magazine site for simply posting content Go with Wordpress. Warning: WP is a bit insecure as compared to Drupal so you need to keep an eye on keeping it secure. If you are looking for complex site where you are publishing different kind of content and want complete control over how it looks and are also ready to get your hands dirty go with Drupal. Drupal is extremely secure and powerful. Joomla? Tried it once and found nothing of interest. Swapnil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 22 May 2012 05:17:22 +0530, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote:

Warning: WP is a bit insecure as compared to Drupal so you need to keep an eye on keeping it secure.

is this your personal opinion / experience, or is there empirical or statistical data backing this up? i don't follow wordprss security lists, but i do with drupal, and most often it's contributed modules (that don't have to pass very rigorous tests to be accepted) that fail security audits. i wouldn't be surprised if the same was the case with wordpress. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 22 May 2012 04:41:01 +0530, Carl Hartung wrote:

Don't waste your time with a WYSIWYG "editor" (actually 'code generator' is a more accurate description) because you'll be stuck creating very simple pages or spending a great deal of time fixing breakage and cleaning up code (usually *horrible* code.)

+1

The next option would be a nice static site, say, something you build by hand or by starting with a template.

that's an option often overlooked these days of instant CMSs. not everything needs a database-driven PHP application, and building a small static site from scratch may give you what you need, teaching you the very basics of web publishing in the process.

--> If the number of pages stays relatively constant over time and the content doesn't need to be updated frequently, this approach sort of dovetails with your ambition to learn HTML and CSS. I say "sort of" because you wrote "quickly" and this is almost impossibly difficult. There's a learning curve. You'll either progress through that curve until you're competent or you'll hire someone who already has the skills.

without prior knowledge of HTML & CSS, it does take time, true.

If your small business is of a type with a lot of frequently changing items on offer (think database) and where you need to make constant additions, updates and revisions, then the obvious choice is a proper database driven CMS.

--> Wordpress doesn't easily fit into this category. It's a 'blogging platform' at it's core.

while this used to be my experience many years ago, i'm not sure it still applies. i haven't used wordpress at all recently, but from what others write about it it looks as if it's matured, from a pure blogging platform to something more universally useful.

A "full blown" CMS would be something like Joomla or Drupal. [side hint: Any developers who are looking again at frameworks and CMS's, *do* check out 'concrete5' -- you won't be sorry!]

interesting, i'll look at that; thank you.

If you're already "lost," the best advice I can give you is to hire someone with the ability to analyze your business and discern your requirements and who can then prepare a step by step plan for getting you there.

particularly for a small business, and a small website to advertise it, that should remain affordable. -- phani -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 22.05.2012 19:48, schrieb Istvan Gabor:

2012. május 21. 23:17 napon Roger Luedecke írta:

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I'm trying to use Joomla to build a website. This may not be the right approach. But in any event, I want to get an attractive site up quickly, but as I dig around it looks like I'm going to be doing a lot more HTML and CSS stuff than I expected. I was going to use a template that uses the JA T3 framework, which I thought had an admin panel. I have gone through some of the Joomla documentation, and am just lost at this point. If i have to do CSS and such, I'll learn it through Codeacademy.com but I would like some tips, if somebody could point me to the right direction. I'm open to using another CMS if it would be easier. I just want to get a relatively simple but compelling site up for my small business. Should I use a WYSIWYG editor like Kompozer?

I'm just lost, and need some pointers so I can actually understand what I need to know to get where I want.

Hello:

I few months ago I went through this. I tried Joomla as well and found myself in learning css and php. Eventually I gave it up because I had no time, and made a legacy html page. That is, Joomla is OK if you have a template which fits your needs exactly. But if you want to modify the template it becomes difficult, especially if you don't know css, php. I don't know other database based webpage creators, but as others also suggested, making a static page might be sufficient even for a small business.

If you find a nice Joomla template and decide to go with Joomla these documents may help:

http://www.webvogel.com/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=file&task=download&id=3%3Ajoomla15quickstart&Itemid=93&lang=th

http://alsweb.aembz.us/Learn_Joomla_Fast.pdf

http://help.joomla.org/content/category/48/268/302/

Istvan

the basics of html/css and php are quite easy to learn and for more sophisticated stuff there are always many samples and explenations in the web. Even if you use a CMS or the like you will be happy to know those basics, so it's worthwhile to invest some time on learning it. I personally prefer wordpress.org over joomla. But thats personal preference... You don't have to make a blog, you can also use it for a simple web page. However I use this kind of "CMS" only for small things. "Real" pages I like to code by hand using kwrite and browsers. Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com personal facebook: http://www.facebook.com/mars.fotografo google+: https://plus.google.com/109534388657020287386 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org