looking for recommendations on hardware
When my dad says, "sheesh, your computer is slow", I know it that "The Time Has Come To Upgrade" is here :) Savable parts: hard drives, an "off-brand" ATI card [recent vintage, I'm thinking 900 or 9000 -- whatever their numbering scheme is nowadays...], creative labs "audigy" sound card, cd-rw drive (don't think it is an LG drive) and the "external" stuff listed below. "what I want do do with [linux on] my computer": -- video editing -- play the latest games -- web maintenance -- some minor development work [most likely graphical in nature, but some "server" daemons as well...] -- playing DVD movies [actually, this is an afterthought as I recently purchased a DVD player for my TV, but I'll bet most "systems" come with a DVD already, so "why not use it?"] [external] hardware that I want to use: * Sony TRV-30 [video camera]; this is a mini-dv camera, so it has firewire [while I have firewire cards, both dedicated and as a port on the audigy card, I suspect most modern boards have this "built in" nowadays] * canon "lide-30" scanner * a generic taiwanese mp3 player [comotron]; also acts as a usb memory card reader/interface for the additional memory for the player * canon s-600 printer [color inkjet] * Ximeta 80gb "NDAS" [network "direct" attached storage -- don't ask...] Most of the above "works" to some degree or another on my current system, but I suspect the support will be better for most of this on SuSE 9.0 [which will also be "on the list" to get while getting the hardware] Would anyone recommend a "name brand" pre-built computer [i.e., dell or HP/compaq], or is the thinking still "put it together yourself from component parts picked up at the latest computer swapmeet"? -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Tom Emerson wrote:
When my dad says, "sheesh, your computer is slow", I know it that "The Time Has Come To Upgrade" is here :)
Savable parts: hard drives, an "off-brand" ATI card [recent vintage, I'm thinking 900 or 9000 -- whatever their numbering scheme is nowadays...], creative labs "audigy" sound card, cd-rw drive (don't think it is an LG drive) and the "external" stuff listed below.
"what I want do do with [linux on] my computer": -- video editing -- play the latest games -- web maintenance -- some minor development work [most likely graphical in nature, but some "server" daemons as well...] -- playing DVD movies [actually, this is an afterthought as I recently purchased a DVD player for my TV, but I'll bet most "systems" come with a DVD already, so "why not use it?"]
[external] hardware that I want to use: * Sony TRV-30 [video camera]; this is a mini-dv camera, so it has firewire [while I have firewire cards, both dedicated and as a port on the audigy card, I suspect most modern boards have this "built in" nowadays] * canon "lide-30" scanner * a generic taiwanese mp3 player [comotron]; also acts as a usb memory card reader/interface for the additional memory for the player * canon s-600 printer [color inkjet] * Ximeta 80gb "NDAS" [network "direct" attached storage -- don't ask...]
Most of the above "works" to some degree or another on my current system, but I suspect the support will be better for most of this on SuSE 9.0 [which will also be "on the list" to get while getting the hardware]
Would anyone recommend a "name brand" pre-built computer [i.e., dell or HP/compaq], or is the thinking still "put it together yourself from component parts picked up at the latest computer swapmeet"?
I don't know the specifics of the latest and greatest systems -- my 533 Celeron system at home is more than enough to meet my needs. But, there is one option that's not immediately obvious -- WallMart. Seriously. I have no clue if these machines have enough "oomph" to meet your nees, but they do sell systems with Linux pre-installed. Which means you don't have to pay the "Microsoft tax". I also have no idea what flavor of Lunux they're installing. I *think* a few different versions... Krikket
On Saturday 15 November 2003 9:19 pm, krikket wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Tom Emerson wrote:
When my dad says, "sheesh, your computer is slow", I know it that "The Time Has Come To Upgrade" is here :)
I don't know the specifics of the latest and greatest systems -- my 533 Celeron system at home is more than enough to meet my needs.
Well, you've got me beat by 100mhz, however it is the video editing thing that is the "crunch"
But, there is one option that's not immediately obvious -- WallMart. [...] I also have no idea what flavor of Lunux they're installing. I *think* a few different versions...
As I recall, they were selling e-machines or similar loaded with "lindows" -- probably only one step below now that Novell bought SuSE, but still a step down in my opinion.
On Sunday 16 November 2003 12:26 am, Tom Emerson wrote:
On Saturday 15 November 2003 9:19 pm, krikket wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Tom Emerson wrote:
When my dad says, "sheesh, your computer is slow", I know it that "The Time Has Come To Upgrade" is here :)
I don't know the specifics of the latest and greatest systems -- my 533 Celeron system at home is more than enough to meet my needs.
Well, you've got me beat by 100mhz, however it is the video editing thing that is the "crunch"
But, there is one option that's not immediately obvious -- WallMart. [...] I also have no idea what flavor of Lunux they're installing. I *think* a few different versions...
As I recall, they were selling e-machines or similar loaded with "lindows" -- probably only one step below now that Novell bought SuSE, but still a step down in my opinion. ==============
Actually they are selling SuSE loaded machines as well now! WalMart has apparently been doing well with their Linux machines. I think your best system is always going to be one you assemble from good parts. That will probably give you the best pricing as well because if you are looking at price alone, you are not going to get a good branded one! If you want a good system, even from the brands, you will still pay the price for them! Lee -- --- KMail v1.5.4 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
On Sunday 16 November 2003 08:28 pm, BandiPat wrote:
That will probably give you the best pricing as well because if you are looking at price alone, you are not going to get a good branded one! If you want a good system, even from the brands, you will still pay the price for them!
I have recently purchased 5 of the $200 blank Computers from Wal-Mart and installed SuSE 8.2 and 9.0. Both fresh installs went very well. All four have been running for several weeks without a problem. All are in an office environment and run 24 hrs. 3 of them are used as routers/firewall connected to cable. When I need another I will go back to Walmart. Richard
I am running 8.2 pro on a PII 350 with 256mb memory with an 8meg graphics card. Thats what is nice about Suse you dont need this years latest gamerware to run it. In fact suse 8.2 runs better than win 98 on a PII 533 with 512mb. for that matter 7.2 ran better on a PI 300 with 128 that that 98 setup. CWSIV ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Quoting Carl William Spitzer IV
I am running 8.2 pro on a PII 350 with 256mb memory with an 8meg graphics card.
Thats what is nice about Suse you dont need this years latest gamerware to run it. In fact suse 8.2 runs better than win 98 on a PII 533 with 512mb. for that matter 7.2 ran better on a PI 300 with 128 that that 98 setup.
But you must have a Pentium or better. I think this started around 8.x. I shifted my older machines to Debian. Jeffrey
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: | | But you must have a Pentium or better. I think this started around | 8.x. I shifted my older machines to Debian. | | Jeffrey | Yeah, but it's not like it's a big outflow anymore. i've seen p-166's for $20. plus if you build it yourself, you can save. Miverna (duron800/196mb/40gb) cost me $500 3 years ago, and the only components that were not new were the floppy, the network card, case and monitor. the most expensive single part probably was my modem Joe - -- SuSE Linux 8.2 (i586) Kernel: 2.4.20-4GB / i686 | Posted from: Dora ~ 11:31am up 1:31, 5 users, load average: 0.31, 0.23, 0.24 Justice, n.: A decision in your favor. nqs@tmcom.com | http://tigger.tmcom.com/~nqs/blogger.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/unTloS1S7SxfpzwRAl3jAKDC/K8VWvzfUP7RZcjBJjdU1mWDJQCgnGBj 1tIkYc3P2HVZHZd+ObBlM4M= =UyQ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
No kidding. Full graphical on pre pentium machines. what level window
manager?
i always thought pre pemtiums were for fire walls.
CWSIV
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:23:59 -0600 "Jeffrey L. Taylor"
I am running 8.2 pro on a PII 350 with 256mb memory with an 8meg graphics card.
Thats what is nice about Suse you dont need this years latest gamerware to run it. In fact suse 8.2 runs better than win 98 on a PII 533 with 512mb. for that matter 7.2 ran better on a PI 300 with 128 that
Quoting Carl William Spitzer IV
: that 98 setup.
But you must have a Pentium or better. I think this started around 8.x. I shifted my older machines to Debian.
Jeffrey
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On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 09:12, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
No kidding. Full graphical on pre pentium machines. what level window manager?
My first Linux CAD station was a K6-2/233 w/ 256 (?) megs of ram and a 4-gig HD.It ran VariCAD on a 4-mb graphics card. Desktop was (and still is) fvwm2. That was SuSE 5.3 Got a Duron 850 on SuSE 7.2 w/ Matrox G-450 dual screen, and testing newest VariCAD re-write on SuSE-8.2.
i always thought pre pemtiums were for fire walls. CWSIV
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:23:59 -0600 "Jeffrey L. Taylor"
writes: I am running 8.2 pro on a PII 350 with 256mb memory with an 8meg graphics card.
Thats what is nice about Suse you dont need this years latest gamerware to run it. In fact suse 8.2 runs better than win 98 on a PII 533 with 512mb. for that matter 7.2 ran better on a PI 300 with 128 that
Quoting Carl William Spitzer IV
: that 98 setup.
But you must have a Pentium or better. I think this started around 8.x. I shifted my older machines to Debian.
Jeffrey
________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Quoting Carl William Spitzer IV
No kidding. Full graphical on pre pentium machines. what level window manager?
Blackbox. X is usable, but image a little fuzzy (insufficient video bandwidth) and refresh slow, 45Hz (insufficient video card processing power). Even with adequate processing power, I still use Blackbox. I just don't care for desktop environments. I've tried several. A panel is just a waste of screen space, IMO.
i always thought pre pemtiums were for fire walls. CWSIV
Depends on how long you have been running Linux. There were no 486s when Linus started, no Pentiums when I started. Jeffrey
* Jeffrey L. Taylor
Quoting Carl William Spitzer IV
: [snip ...] i always thought pre pemtiums were for fire walls.
Depends on how long you have been running Linux. There were no 486s when Linus started, no Pentiums when I started.
or 4044, 8086, 8088s.... -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org
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BandiPat
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