Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Sloan [03-20-08 16:46]:

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It replaces it - so, I run the standard suse firefox package (2.0.0.12-0.1) and I run FF 3.0b4 as a tarball unpacked in /usr/local/firefox - I would use the suse package of 3.0b4, except that I need both versions.

For my own browsing, FF3 is head and shoulders above FF2, but lotus notes insists on FF2

I'm still on 10.1/x86_64. Do you have java support on ff3?

I'm on 32 bit FWIW, but FF3 has full java and flash support here. Blue skies, no problems. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Sloan [03-20-08 17:09]:

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I'm on 32 bit FWIW, but FF3 has full java and flash support here. Blue skies, no problems.

OK, I'm going to remove ff-64 and install 32bit. brb

Patrick, I'm running 64-bit. Flash works. Don't know about Java. What's a good site to test that on? Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Greg Freemyer [03-20-08 17:32]:

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On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Sloan [03-20-08 17:09]:

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I'm on 32 bit FWIW, but FF3 has full java and flash support here. Blue skies, no problems.

OK, I'm going to remove ff-64 and install 32bit. brb

Patrick,

I'm running 64-bit. Flash works. Don't know about Java. What's a good site to test that on?

check flash on youtube test java: http://about:config and look for java and flash

Patrick, To get YouTube to work when I first upgraded to FF3B2 64-bit, I had to use the nspluginwrapper 0.9.91.5 package in the mozilla repository. Maybe they have still not got all the dependencies setup right for that to happen automatically. For Java, my about:config looks fine to me. And I use gmail all the time which is a very heavily java script based page I believe. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball wrote:

Greg Freemyer schreef:

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I'm running 64-bit. Flash works. Don't know about Java. What's a good site to test that on?

Greg

http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp

Just following on from the python-gtk fiasco mentioned in another thread, I went to the above site and did THE TEST :-) , and, just as with the business of python-gtk, I am now totally c-o-n-f-u-s-e-d, to put it politely :-( . Doing the test resulted in me being given the message, "Oooops, you are using the wrong version of java" - or words to this effect. So I go looking for the "right" version of java. In YaST2 Software Management I can see that I have java-1_5_0-sun installed but just a little way down there is java-1_6_0-sun staring me in the face. Both versions come from opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository so why hasn't YaST2 upgraded java to the newer 1.6 version (as indicated in the result of THE TEST)? Ciao. -- If you really want to know, you won't ask me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Fred A. Miller wrote:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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Oddball wrote:

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Greg Freemyer schreef:

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I'm running 64-bit. Flash works. Don't know about Java. What's a good site to test that on?

Greg

http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp

Just following on from the python-gtk fiasco mentioned in another thread, I went to the above site and did THE TEST :-) , and, just as with the business of python-gtk, I am now totally c-o-n-f-u-s-e-d, to put it politely :-( .

Doing the test resulted in me being given the message, "Oooops, you are using the wrong version of java" - or words to this effect. So I go looking for the "right" version of java.

In YaST2 Software Management I can see that I have java-1_5_0-sun installed but just a little way down there is java-1_6_0-sun staring me in the face.

Both versions come from opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository so why hasn't YaST2 upgraded java to the newer 1.6 version (as indicated in the result of THE TEST)?

That, I can only guess. What I did, awhile ago, was to start installing both versions and some problems went away. I can only guess that there are a few odd-ball apps. that can't figure out to use version 6 as they should. ;)

Oh, how very nice! "odd-ball apps." in openSUSE. Are we moving in the direction of Windows-way of doing things? But the bottom line is: "So, you've installed both versions without problems?" Sounds like you have so I shall now <taking a deep breath and pushing out my chest> do the same! (Fred, you realise that if this doesn't work out I'll have to get Guido/Aaron K/Sam Clemens pay you visit, don't you? :-D .) Ciao. -- If you really want to know, you won't ask me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 03/22/2008 11:23 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

Both versions come from opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository so why hasn't YaST2 upgraded java to the newer 1.6 version (as indicated in the result of THE TEST)? Security updates SELDOM have upgraded versions (unless it was absolutely necessary), it only updates to the same version with security patches applied, for maximum compatibility. It has been that way I know of since 6.4. You have been a SuSE user for a long time, I am surprised you needed to ask.

-- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 03/22/2008 12:03 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

Joe Morris wrote:

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On 03/22/2008 11:23 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Both versions come from opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository so why hasn't YaST2 upgraded java to the newer 1.6 version (as indicated in the result of THE TEST)? Security updates SELDOM have upgraded versions (unless it was absolutely necessary), it only updates to the same version with security patches applied, for maximum compatibility.

And I am surprised that you can come up with crap like your current response.

Where do "security updates" come into all this?! opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository. That is the update repository for security updates.

Have you read the preceding messages in this thread? Yes

Have you fully understood what I wrote in the message to which you have responded? Yes.

-- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin schreef:

Joe Morris wrote:

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On 03/22/2008 12:03 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Joe Morris wrote:

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On 03/22/2008 11:23 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Both versions come from opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository so why hasn't YaST2 upgraded java to the newer 1.6 version (as indicated in the result of THE TEST)? Security updates SELDOM have upgraded versions (unless it was absolutely necessary), it only updates to the same version with security patches applied, for maximum compatibility.

And I am surprised that you can come up with crap like your current response.

Where do "security updates" come into all this?! opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository. That is the update repository for security updates.

Oh hell, now I can really see openSUSE heading towards a big crash :-( . opensuse.org/update/10.x repository is only "for security updates". Where do the 'non-security' upgrades/updates come from?!

And don't say that as an old user of openSUSE I should know because I really don't give a rat's arse - all I want to have is my OS being upgraded/updated with the latest files without me having to go through this crap of figuring out what comes from where.

AND as I said, I am converting a friend from XP to SuSE so I don't want to expound to him that files from X are security upgrades while files from Y are non-security upgrades - to which he will only reply, "I'll just stick with XP where I automatically get all the upgrades required."

[rest pruned]

Ciao.

Well, why shouldn't your friend know how many people create apps, and that these apps can be found, if one knows where to look? Why can't you tell him where to look? Because you don't know yourself? Maybe you will not be able to answer your friends questions, once he uses Linux. Maybe you just lett him be, and use XP? (You can always point to your mailsig?) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.25-rc5-git2-5-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha3 KDE: 4.00.66 (KDE 4.0.66 >= 20080313) "release 6.1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 22 March 2008 07:46:04 am Ken Schneider wrote:

So... when Nero comes out with an upgrade Microsoft supplies the upgrade? Wow, when did this start happening?

openSUSE is no different then MS, they supply security updates to the original packages that they supplied, nothing more.

The difference is that MS offer of application leaves many wishes unsatisfied. For instance Nero you have to buy, and then after installation go to Nero web site for updates. Some are not important (like security ;-) ), but some you have to pick up, like drivers, otherwise you spit a money for nothing. It is interesting that many people react on Linux like they do a favor to guy that is promoting Linux and wants to help them out. It is the same as one would have chance to get Cadillac for free and he/she accepts offer under one condition, to be careful and watch not to scratch his Yugo. Otherwise .... -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 22 March 2008 08:57:32 am Ken Schneider wrote:

Rajko M. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Saturday 22 March 2008 07:46:04 am Ken Schneider wrote:

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So... when Nero comes out with an upgrade Microsoft supplies the upgrade? Wow, when did this start happening?

openSUSE is no different then MS, they supply security updates to the original packages that they supplied, nothing more.

The difference is that MS offer of application leaves many wishes unsatisfied. For instance Nero you have to buy, and then after installation go to Nero web site for updates. Some are not important (like security ;-) ), but some you have to pick up, like drivers, otherwise you spit a money for nothing.

It is interesting that many people react on Linux like they do a favor to guy that is promoting Linux and wants to help them out. It is the same as one would have chance to get Cadillac for free and he/she accepts offer under one condition, to be careful and watch not to scratch his Yugo. Otherwise ....

I wasn't trying to chastise someone for trying to convert someone to linux, just point the flaw in his logic. MS only provides security updates just as openSUSE only offers security updates, nothing more. I actually applaud people that promote linux to get others to switch.

Me neither. I just offered alternative view on a problem that I have myself. I'm sure that in the future I'll turn upside down the way I offer help to windows users, and treat help by Linux installation as favor to the person that wants Linux, not vice versa. Free Cadillac is still Cadillac, and who prefer bicycle can stay with it. The 70% screams for compatibility are: "I have nice cup holder adjusted for my Yugo. I want you to make sure that it will fit in Cadillac. Otherwise you can take it with you." Sure I will =:-) -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider wrote:

Basil Chupin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Joe Morris wrote:

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On 03/22/2008 12:03 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Joe Morris wrote:

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On 03/22/2008 11:23 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Both versions come from opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository so why hasn't YaST2 upgraded java to the newer 1.6 version (as indicated in the result of THE TEST)? Security updates SELDOM have upgraded versions (unless it was absolutely necessary), it only updates to the same version with security patches applied, for maximum compatibility.

And I am surprised that you can come up with crap like your current response.

Where do "security updates" come into all this?! opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository. That is the update repository for security updates.

Oh hell, now I can really see openSUSE heading towards a big crash :-( . opensuse.org/update/10.x repository is only "for security updates". Where do the 'non-security' upgrades/updates come from?!

Third party repos which are now very easy to setup.

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And don't say that as an old user of openSUSE I should know because I really don't give a rat's arse - all I want to have is my OS being upgraded/updated with the latest files without me having to go through this crap of figuring out what comes from where.

AND as I said, I am converting a friend from XP to SuSE so I don't want to expound to him that files from X are security upgrades while files from Y are non-security upgrades - to which he will only reply, "I'll just stick with XP where I automatically get all the upgrades required."

So... when Nero comes out with an upgrade Microsoft supplies the upgrade? Wow, when did this start happening?

openSUSE is no different then MS, they supply security updates to the original packages that they supplied, nothing more.

Thanks, Ken, for the above - for more than just the politeness of having responded to me. Now here's the rub in what you stated above - and what I am trying to suggest may be leading openSUSE into a 'quagmire'. When you install Windows you get the OS and then the drivers for some of the hardware on your system. You're correct about this. When you install openSUSE you not only get the OS with the correct drivers but you also get "lots of" applications (eg, GIMP, OpenOffice, Mozilla, et alia) - including some which are "on the restricted list" for which there are repositories mentioned in YaST2 to make them work as they are meant to work. zypper is one application which comes with openSUSE. If you install/use openSUSE's YaST2 - it is an integral part of openSUSE - and see that there are Community Repositories and select the ones you know/think will upgrade the apps. you selected, either during the installation process or later, you will find that the "little green giant" on the right-hand bottom of the "Launch Bar" (what IS it called?!) will, at some stage, come up with the message that new updates are available (on special occasions it even turns into a red triangle!). If one is not a complete ding-dong, one would click on this "little green giant" which would then come up with a menu which - wait for it! - will show 2 TABS: "PATCHES" and "UPGRADES". From where I sit, PATCHES are SECURITY updates, while UPGRADES are upgrades of installed APPLICATIONS like amarok, OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc. So, the way I, and other new users of openSUSE see it, is that if I install whatever application which comes on the openSUSE DVD and which is handled by a Repository mentioned in YaST2 then I consider that this application will be upgraded by zypper. On the other hand, if I install *ON MY OWN VOLITION* a copy of Firefox, directly available from the mozilla.org site, and ignore and not use the copy of Firefox which comes with openSUSE, and installed, if selected, when installing openSUSE, and which *openSUSE upgrades* from time to time, then I agree that I am on my own, left to my own devices, and cannot whinge about openSUSE not doing anything to keep it up-to-date. On this system (I am using right now) I have both zypper and smart being used. When I booted the system today both went away and started the job of 'looking' for upgrades/updates. While smart took some 30 seconds, or less, to finish its job, zypper went on and on and on and on and on but it finally came up with the answer and showed, "New software updates available". smart on the other hand came up with the statement, "There are new upgrades available." I now always start zypper first, and the menu came up showing that there were no PATCHES but there were UPGRADES to be done. The UPGRADES were to gstream-010 (plus a related file) to bring it to version 0.10.18-0.pm.1. Now, there was no mention of any SECURITY fix - it was simply an UPGRADE. So, zypper handles both security updates and application upgrades. As I also now do, I then "told" smart update to check for new upgrades and, as expected, it came back stating that there were no new upgrades - meaning that zypper had already upgraded the file which smart stated needed upgrading. I'll stop at this point :-) Ciao. -- If you really want to know, you won't ask me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin wrote:

In YaST2 Software Management I can see that I have java-1_5_0-sun installed but just a little way down there is java-1_6_0-sun staring me in the face.

Both versions come from opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository so why hasn't YaST2 upgraded java to the newer 1.6 version (as indicated in the result of THE TEST)?

Java 1.5 and 1.6 are two separate packages. One is not an update for the other. The reason is that some applications require one or the other, so you may want to have both installed at the same time Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin a écrit :

As a new user of the OS, how am I supposed to know which package I am to install? Everywhere else I see that "v1.2" replaces "v1.1" when zypper goes and upgrades packages - except in the case of java.

please blame SUN if java don't works, not openSUSE and I *never* upgrade my XP station, because each time I tried is crashed... what openSUSE do is sensible and well explained. some apps need one and don't accept the other. so we provide the two ones. what can you have against this??? openSUSE is not responsible for the applications content (except security patches) jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin Président du CULTe www.culte.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Varghese Mathew schreef:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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Anders Johansson wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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In YaST2 Software Management I can see that I have java-1_5_0-sun installed but just a little way down there is java-1_6_0-sun staring me in the face.

Both versions come from opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository so why hasn't YaST2 upgraded java to the newer 1.6 version (as indicated in the result of THE TEST)?

Java 1.5 and 1.6 are two separate packages. One is not an update for the other. The reason is that some applications require one or the other, so you may want to have both installed at the same time

Thanks for this, Anders.

But, you know, as far as I am concerned, this sort of approach to an OS is leading towards a disaster.

As a new user of the OS, how am I supposed to know which package I am to install? Everywhere else I see that "v1.2" replaces "v1.1" when zypper goes and upgrades packages - except in the case of java.

I guess in the long run either the whole thing gets sorted out or the whole OS comes to a grinding halt. Maybe the new Community Manager has some ideas.

Ciao.

That is SUN's doing right ? I understood java to be not so portable as they claim. Even Internet explorer has 2-3 versions of java installed concurrently if I remember right

Varghese

Many apps using older versions are still around on the web. So not so bad solution to have newer versions beside the older ones, so everything keeps working. Only double or triple space, would be a trouble when using too small drives. 1.7 iced tea, is also around, and this version works with a good 64 bit browser-plugin. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.25-rc5-git2-5-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha3 KDE: 4.00.66 (KDE 4.0.66 >= 20080313) "release 6.1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin schreef:

Oddball wrote:

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Greg Freemyer schreef:

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I'm running 64-bit. Flash works. Don't know about Java. What's a good site to test that on?

Greg

http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp

Just following on from the python-gtk fiasco mentioned in another thread, I went to the above site and did THE TEST :-) , and, just as with the business of python-gtk, I am now totally c-o-n-f-u-s-e-d, to put it politely :-( .

Doing the test resulted in me being given the message, "Oooops, you are using the wrong version of java" - or words to this effect. So I go looking for the "right" version of java.

In YaST2 Software Management I can see that I have java-1_5_0-sun installed but just a little way down there is java-1_6_0-sun staring me in the face.

Both versions come from opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository so why hasn't YaST2 upgraded java to the newer 1.6 version (as indicated in the result of THE TEST)?

Ciao.

Might be caused by a bug that prevents to 'update alternatives' by default, which should be done by hand, to set it to auto for further updates. You must first install it by hand, and then go to the site again if it has been updated, if not manualy perform 'update altenatives'. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.25-rc5-git2-5-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha3 KDE: 4.00.66 (KDE 4.0.66 >= 20080313) "release 6.1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bob S wrote:

On Friday 21 March 2008 11:23:57 pm Basil Chupin wrote:

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Oddball wrote:

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Greg Freemyer schreef:

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I'm running 64-bit. Flash works. Don't know about Java. What's a good site to test that on?

Greg

http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp

Just following on from the python-gtk fiasco mentioned in another thread, I went to the above site and did THE TEST :-) , and, just as with the business of python-gtk, I am now totally c-o-n-f-u-s-e-d, to put it politely :-( .

Doing the test resulted in me being given the message, "Oooops, you are using the wrong version of java" - or words to this effect. So I go looking for the "right" version of java.

In YaST2 Software Management I can see that I have java-1_5_0-sun installed but just a little way down there is java-1_6_0-sun staring me in the face.

Both versions come from opensuse.org/update/10.3 repository so why hasn't YaST2 upgraded java to the newer 1.6 version (as indicated in the result of THE TEST)?

You need Java-1_7. It is called iced tea or something if you are running 64bit. Check the archives about a month ago.

AAAARGH!! No I don't - I don't need "Java-1_7"! (And I am not using 64-bit system.) I just want anything which will keep my sanity intact and my blood pressure within normal limits! :-) Ciao. -- If you really want to know, you won't ask me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 03/24/2008 10:38 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Oddball wrote:

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http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp

Just tried this with FF3B4 64-bit. Per Yast I had JRE 1.5 from Sun installed.

No joy.

I tried installing 1.6 in addition, still no joy. I got both JRE's from the official 10.3 repositories, so it may be that there is an update somewhere to work with FF3B4.

You have probably installed a 32 bit java plug-in and are using a 64 bit browser. Get the 1.7 iced tea java and 64 bit plugin from the factory repository, and it will work. It did here, running 64 bit FF3B4, and 1.7 iced tea java on 10.3 x86_64. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Patrick Shanahan [01-01-70 11:34]:

* Sloan [03-20-08 17:09]:

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I'm on 32 bit FWIW, but FF3 has full java and flash support here. Blue skies, no problems.

OK, I'm going to remove ff-64 and install 32bit. brb

Well, 64 bit works but 32 bit gives: you have GTK+ 2.8. This application requires GTK+ 2.10 or newer. Guess I will go back to MozillaFirefox until I upgrade the system :^( -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org