[opensuse] Upgrade from 10.0? To what?
Now is a good time to consider upgrading my OS. Looking for some advice. 1) I am happily running Suse Linux 10.0 with no problems. So, should I even bother upgrading? Some associated software seems to have been nicely upgraded since the versions distributed with 10.0, e.g., wine. 2) If so, to what version? 10.2 seems the most recent, but every version seems to have its specific problems. 3) I don't mind paying to help support the continued development of Suse Linux, so should I upgrade to Novell Suse or switch to openSuse? Actually, I can't really tell what the equivalent version of Novell SLED is. They just refer to it as 10. Comments appreciated. Best, dslice -- Dennis E. Slice Department of Anthropology University of Vienna ======================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 26 June 2007 1:41 pm, Dennis E. Slice wrote:
Now is a good time to consider upgrading my OS. Looking for some advice.
Hello Dennis, I'm like you (on SUSE 10.0 without any single problem) and I'm looking forward to 10.3 (where they'll remove Zen* stuff to update packages...and go back to old good YAST). We are lucky we didn't have to pass thru that Zen stuff. What I usually do when I install a new version is to read the "Release Notes" for the versions I skipped. So...I"ll need to read RN's for 10.1, 10.2 and finally 10.3 when it comes (to see what I've been missing). My advice then...wiat until 10.3 :) All the best, Jorge -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, June 26, 2007 10:59 am, Jorge Fábregas wrote:
On Tuesday 26 June 2007 1:41 pm, Dennis E. Slice wrote:
Now is a good time to consider upgrading my OS. Looking for some advice.
Hello Dennis,
I'm like you (on SUSE 10.0 without any single problem) and I'm looking forward to 10.3 (where they'll remove Zen* stuff to update packages...and go back to old good YAST). We are lucky we didn't have to pass thru that Zen stuff.
There are some nifty speed and interface updates. Also, on newer hardware, I see 10.2 far and away better than 10.0.
What I usually do when I install a new version is to read the "Release Notes" for the versions I skipped. So...I"ll need to read RN's for 10.1, 10.2 and finally 10.3 when it comes (to see what I've been missing).
They're removing Zen in 10.3 or is it just becoming integrated with YaST? Just curious. Sorry for the thread hijack... ..not really. I'm really waiting for version 11 which will be louder than version 10. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 26 June 2007 20:06:05 Kai Ponte wrote:
They're removing Zen in 10.3 or is it just becoming integrated with YaST?
zmd has been dropped from 10.3 In a sense it's been integrated with YaST since 10.1, since YaST is now based on libzypp, which is capable of handling just about any kind of installation sources, including ZenWorks I think the plan is that ZenWorks/zmd in future will only be in the enterprise version -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 26 June 2007 19:59:12 Jorge Fábregas wrote:
I'm like you (on SUSE 10.0 without any single problem) and I'm looking forward to 10.3 (where they'll remove Zen* stuff to update packages...and go back to old good YAST).
YaST was never removed, it is there in 10.1 and 10.2 and you are free to use it instead of rug/zmd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 26 June 2007, Dennis E. Slice wrote:
Now is a good time to consider upgrading my OS. Looking for some advice.
Wait for 10.3. Since your 10.0 is not broken, don't fix it just yet. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I upgraded a 9.3 to 10.0 due to the end of support. Using apt it went all good (except postfix was broken afterwards). But if you want to switch to 10.3 directly, how do you do it? Isn't it necessary to go to 10.1 and 10.2, first? That's what made me to stay with 10.0 as long as there will be security updates. I had 10.1 on my desktop and it was driving me crazy so I'll keep it away... After 10.0 (which isn't a big difference to a 9.3) there are some changes which I don't know how they will become to effect after upgrading. For example the apache isn't 2.0.x any longer and will be 2.2.x. You will have to read the changelogs before.Maybe the apache people did some changes in configs? There were some other big changes in versions, so be aware. All said is useless if you are goning to set up a clean system. If that's what you want just install 10.2 and smart. Will be an easy upgrade, like my try from 9.3 to 10.0. J. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 26 June 2007, Johannes Nohl wrote:
I upgraded a 9.3 to 10.0 due to the end of support. Using apt it went all good (except postfix was broken afterwards).
But if you want to switch to 10.3 directly, how do you do it? Isn't it necessary to go to 10.1 and 10.2, first? That's what made me to stay with 10.0 as long as there will be security updates. I had 10.1 on my desktop and it was driving me crazy so I'll keep it away...
After 10.0 (which isn't a big difference to a 9.3) there are some changes which I don't know how they will become to effect after upgrading. For example the apache isn't 2.0.x any longer and will be 2.2.x. You will have to read the changelogs before.Maybe the apache people did some changes in configs? There were some other big changes in versions, so be aware.
All said is useless if you are goning to set up a clean system. If that's what you want just install 10.2 and smart. Will be an easy upgrade, like my try from 9.3 to 10.0.
J.
=========== If you are going to do anything beyond your 10.0, you really should do a fresh install. So many things have changed, it's quite possible an attempt at upgrading will lead to a clean install anyway. If you don't mind wasting the time, I suppose you could try, but to save yourself some time and headache, do a fresh install. If you go in steps, 10.1 or are planning that, just stop at 10.1! As many bad things as 10.1 introduced, I think 10.2 was worse. If you've followed the emails here, you already know that. As others have suggested, wait for 10.3 to see if they've fixed anything or have just continued to make it worse, then decide. Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
If you go in steps, 10.1 or are planning that, just stop at 10.1! As many bad things as 10.1 introduced, I think 10.2 was worse.
Huh? Clearly 10.1 was a buggy release, with the mono-based package management system and beagle CPU punisher. Clever types soon worked around the damage by nuking beagle, and using apt-get or smart for package management. By all accounts, 10.2 was better and smoother in every way. Although I still nuke beagle from 10.2 installs, the package mangement is working nicely with yast/zypper instead of the mono-based stuff. Every one I've ever talked to that's run both says 10.2 was a huge relief after the buggy 10.1release. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sloan wrote:
BandiPat wrote:
If you go in steps, 10.1 or are planning that, just stop at 10.1! As many bad things as 10.1 introduced, I think 10.2 was worse.
Every one I've ever talked to that's run both says 10.2 was a huge relief after the buggy 10.1release.
I totally agree with Joe here. 10.2 was MUCH better than 10.1. I actually upgraded to 10.2 beta 1 partly because I figured it couldn't be any worse than 10.1 was (mostly package management). 10.2 has been much better in many ways, and for the OP, I upgraded our server from 9.3 to 10.2, but I added 2 SATA drives and did a fresh install, using the old root for reconfiguring the config files in 10.2. Though I had GRUB problems, other than that, it was great. It even updated during the install to the latest security updates correctly. I would highly recommend 10.2. Disclaimer: I did uncheck zmd during the install so it was never installed from the beginning. I installed the opensuseupdater from the beginning, and it has ran quite well. BTW, I also went from 9.3 x86 to 10.2 x86_64, thus the reason to do a fresh install. I upgraded at home. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 26 June 2007, Sloan wrote:
BandiPat wrote:
If you go in steps, 10.1 or are planning that, just stop at 10.1! As many bad things as 10.1 introduced, I think 10.2 was worse.
Huh? Clearly 10.1 was a buggy release, with the mono-based package management system and beagle CPU punisher. Clever types soon worked around the damage by nuking beagle, and using apt-get or smart for package management.
By all accounts, 10.2 was better and smoother in every way. Although I still nuke beagle from 10.2 installs, the package mangement is working nicely with yast/zypper instead of the mono-based stuff.
Every one I've ever talked to that's run both says 10.2 was a huge relief after the buggy 10.1release.
Joe
============ Sure, 10.1 was buggy, but only with a couple of things that everyone was yelling about. Once those few things were ironed out, 10.1 was solid and smooth. Just watching this list after 10.2 was released proves how many more problems were introduced with it! Check & compare the emails/complaints, please. I've seen more problems arising, more bugs reported and many of the same problems 10.1 had, some different variations, but still there in 10.2. Eventually, you can fix them all, but why suggest he put himself through that when he has a good setup with 10.0? If you actually go by all accounts, as you suggest, you'll quickly see 10.2 was not the better release. Everyone was just so pissed at SuSE for the new updater, etc. they thought 10.2 couldn't/shouldn't be worse. At least that's what everyone hoped for. Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Sloan