On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:14:41 -0800, phil
Greetings one_inch! I might be totally out of line but it seems to me that these decisions are made by the company's CEO / CTO and other owners, how does discussing it with the employees help?
I find it doublt full that the CEO/CTO will have the time to explain things. But some of the Employees might have some instghtfull info on the decissions made buy the CEO/CTO conserning the decision on the removal of the ISO's and and give us a better understanding as to of why it happened.
It seems to me that having a competent CEO /CTO that knows more than just business it the key to success. If that CEO /CTO don't know about something then they need to get some "specific targeted education" or else they better know someone who has this specific targeted education.
Think back to the Henry Ford days, the guy was very dumb intellectually, but because he knew where to find the folks needed to get the job done he was a success.
I am not even saying that the CEO /CTO is dumb. I am just saying that either they are a leader who makes decisions and stands by it or not.
All the whining in the world isn't going to change that. A smart CTO /CEO (or whatever you call em) IMO is going to have an ear (could be someone paid just to listen and report back with strategic plans) out for discussions exactly like this. After all the public can either be your best friend or your worst enemy.
point very well made
With all that said, I agree there should be some ISO's. I may not totally understand the reasoning behind the choice not to have an iso up.
If anything use an OLDER version of SuSE. Say 7.2 when 7.3 is on the shelf. etc.. they could take down 7.2 and put up 7.3 when 7.4 is out. At least having something trailing the current distro if it was 7.1 that would be cool too.
I'm not asking to have the ENTIRE Distro on iso's. In the pre 7.1 days that had an x86 iso (just 1 cd) with the base install of the current version. It had all things needed to run linux and a few extras. nothing really special. I do agree with haveing an iso(s) that might not be the current version, but instead one version behind. I dont see the big fuss there. and they can still keep it a minimal install like they had it before. And still promote and push for the sale of the latets and greates version of their distro.
I ain't going to get into how new folks do or don't know how to burn an ISO or download packages. There's plenty of HOW-TO's to guide them if they are motivated. diskjuggler and easycd come to mind.
I do think this issue needs to be addressed. While yes there is lots and lots of documentation out there. It is still kinda lacking in some areas. But suse does not really provide any real help if you want to do a package by package download of their distro. At least have something that tell package dependencies so the user can have some idea of what to get instead of takeing guesses, or have something that can gide your through makeing a complete minimal install downloading package by package, and turning all of that into a bootable ISO. I'll even write the damn things for them if let me know what packages are needed for a complete minmal install. plain and simply put, if newbies dont buy suse, and they wish to use it and dont really know anything about linux and/or dont know where to go get info on it, they are kinda left empty handed.
I am more concerned with what your saying. I believe in what you are saying about making an iso / iso's available (Has any other distro put out all 7 iso's to download for free?) Yet on the other hand I really like SuSE and as a company I am really hoping they are going to be around for years and years, there is too damn many companies getting sued and going out of business and bankrupt and chap 11 bla bla in the world and I am sick of seeing Linux companies take a fall.
I would be very pissed off if SuSE disappeared because of some freaking problem with money.
again i'm not wanting the WHOLE 7 cd set in iso form up on their ftp, I'd like to see their minimal install ISO back up there though And yes, i am like you, i would hate to see SuSE vanish off the face of this earth they do make some really good software, and they do do a good job on their distro. I'm just not agreeing with some of the Buisness decesions that they have recently made
I buy SuSE because ,
a) the manuals kick ass I found stuff in them that isn't in other distros. I like the manual's layout style, and Index's. (My last mandrake manual's index was... well let's just say to be improved. I usually just cracked open the "Mastering Linux" book when I got in trouble.)
b) it contains nearly every possible thing I can imagine to download. (sometimes I start downloading something from say freshmeat--only to find out it's already installed!)
c) I made some very cool friends among it's users and they have been very nice compared to others. Most believe in helping 10 other people in repayment of receiving help themselves, and I buy into this phillosophy 100%!
d) There are some very intelligent folks working the security half of SuSE . (If they ever left I might consider another distro)
P.S. I couldn't find your other message because I just re-subscribed this list late yesterday.. I could do a search http://www.netsys.com/suse-linux-e/ but I wouldn't know the keywords to search for eh... ;o) Maybe you can find your message above and let us know. Although I pretty much said what I wanted to say right here.
SuSE linux is rather good isn't it? And I'm not calling them stupid, i'm just a little courious as to what they are doing, and why they are doing it. And when you do buy their distros they do supply you with just about every thing you can think of. And they have done a good job with the susehelpcenter. But again, it aint their software, its them.
Thanks phil
On Saturday 16 February 2002 09:26, you wrote:
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