[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-factory] The road to systemd for openSUSE 12.1
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:21:43AM -0400, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 06/20/2011 04:40 AM, Dr. Werner Fink pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:43:12PM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
I'd like to know what the big vendors are thinking about this. Introducing risks due lazy/snooty systemd developers can not be a reason to ignore well-founded and common rules how to handle big severs.
Most of the 'lazy/snooty systemd developers' work for the biggest vendors. :)
Does this mean that IBM will enforce that /usr and other useful partitions will be only avaiable by using initramfs?
WHY? You don't need /usr on a separate partition anymore.
I'm aware that a separate /usr is only optional. Personal I do not use a separate /usr partition. Nevertheless I know customers using such /usr partition to minimize downtime due e.g. file system problems.
I was first exposed to UNIX in 1988. Back then the largest harddrives were not big enough to fit the whole operating system let alone user login info plus any user data. There was no choice but to split some directories off onto a separate drives (partitions).
Let's get our heads out of the sand and our asses and get with modern times.
Hmmm, I'm not speaking about my personal system setup. On my own privat system I've /, /var, /tmp, /boot, and /home on different partitions, that is / and /boot on a 64G SSD and the rest on a 1TB SATA III.
The only directories I see as being beneficial on a separate partition are the "tmp" directories which can fill a drive rather quickly if not watched.
Again, this is also you're personal setup just as my personal setup ... but IMHO we should like not to ignore other setups. Werner -- "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dr. Werner Fink said the following on 06/20/2011 10:41 AM:
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:21:43AM -0400, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
Hmmm, I'm not speaking about my personal system setup. On my own privat system I've /, /var, /tmp, /boot, and /home on different partitions, that is / and /boot on a 64G SSD and the rest on a 1TB SATA III.
The only directories I see as being beneficial on a separate partition are the "tmp" directories which can fill a drive rather quickly if not watched.
Again, this is also you're personal setup just as my personal setup ... but IMHO we should like not to ignore other setups.
There are good security reasons or having /tmp as a separate FS, like mounting it noexec,nosuid,nodev I can make a good case that the same should apply to other file systems, quite apart from issues of manageability. I have ~/Documents and ~/Music There is absolutely no reason that there should be devices or setUID files there. I try to practice safe browsing etc, but as far as I'm concerned the fewer places that executables can reside and setuid in particular, the better. I'm not perfect, I might make a mistake. So I put in controls to try an catch errors-and-omissions as well as any malware or Trojans. I don't claim this is perfect, but it helps. I also like to keep my FS small when possible. Nothing is crash-proof, and FSCK isn't O(n) for all file systems, even those that have journals. My backups end up on CDs and DVDs. Another reason to keep file systems small. I also have smoke alarms in my house and lock the doors when I leave. These are all reasonable, prudent measures that are not difficult. -- The only reason to give a speech is to change the world. - John F. Kennedy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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