[opensuse] Problem Installing Older Distro
I recently acquired a Lenovo 515 Desktop. I tried to install 11.3 which I had downloaded a while back and accidentally blew away Windows 8.1, which was an ugly mess. One I got it installed and running KDE, it set the resolution of the Dell P990. No other resolution is available. This means that the viewport is too small. Some apps I have scroll bars and others not. I am managing to download 13.1, which was impossible on Windows for some reason. I have no other computer. Has anyone else had suck a problem, and if so, how have you dealt with it. And maybe I could use some live help in the Atlanta US area, specifically Norcross, GA. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 12/09/14 a las #4, Bob Rea escribió:
I recently acquired a Lenovo 515 Desktop. I tried to install 11.3 which I had downloaded a while back and accidentally blew away Windows 8.1,
In general terms, an old unsupported distribution might be usable as a headless server on new hardware.. however as a desktop it is unlikely to work properly because it most certainly does not have support for newish video cards or other components. if the network works, download a 13.1 ISO and burn it with k3b. -- Cristian "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, September 12, 2014 3:20 pm, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 12/09/14 a las #4, Bob Rea escribió:
I recently acquired a Lenovo 515 Desktop. I tried to install 11.3 which I had downloaded a while back and accidentally blew away Windows 8.1,
In general terms, an old unsupported distribution might be usable as a headless server on new hardware.. however as a desktop it is unlikely to work properly because it most certainly does not have support for newish video cards or other components.
if the network works, download a 13.1 ISO and burn it with k3b.
Everything seerms to work except for a very usable viewport. I am downloading 13.1. My concern is will the crappy resolution carry over to 13.1 This monitor worked very well with the supplid Windows 8.1 I will be pursuing material on the monitor after the download Bob Rea -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, September 12, 2014 3:20 pm, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 12/09/14 a las #4, Bob Rea escribió:
I recently acquired a Lenovo 515 Desktop. I tried to install 11.3 which I had downloaded a while back and accidentally blew away Windows 8.1,
In general terms, an old unsupported distribution might be usable as a headless server on new hardware.. however as a desktop it is unlikely to work properly because it most certainly does not have support for newish video cards or other components.
if the network works, download a 13.1 ISO and burn it with k3b.
I have downloaded it but the viewport doesn't hold all of K3B, so I can't hit the button to burn it. :( It doesn't scroll at all and I can't see the bottom of it in the window. So I'm stuck here again. Bob Rea -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 9/12/2014 5:23 PM, Bob Rea wrote:
On Fri, September 12, 2014 3:20 pm, Cristian Rodr�guez wrote:
El 12/09/14 a las #4, Bob Rea escribi�:
I recently acquired a Lenovo 515 Desktop. I tried to install 11.3 which I had downloaded a while back and accidentally blew away Windows 8.1,
In general terms, an old unsupported distribution might be usable as a headless server on new hardware.. however as a desktop it is unlikely to work properly because it most certainly does not have support for newish video cards or other components.
if the network works, download a 13.1 ISO and burn it with k3b.
I have downloaded it but the viewport doesn't hold all of K3B, so I can't hit the button to burn it. :( It doesn't scroll at all and I can't see the bottom of it in the window.
So I'm stuck here again.
Bob Rea
ALT+CLICK and hold and drag up to see bottom of window. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, September 12, 2014 8:28 pm, John Andersen wrote:
I have downloaded it but the viewport doesn't hold all of K3B, so I can't hit the button to burn it. :( It doesn't scroll at all and I can't see the bottom of it in the window.
So I'm stuck here again.
Bob Rea
ALT+CLICK and hold and drag up to see bottom of window.
Thanks, John Anderson, for the help I did that. It lifts it up, but when I let go, it reverts to the top of k3b again. But I could see that the go button was default, so I hit enter and it started to burn. Hope it works will try tommorow I guess I've had enough for today :) then we will see about the monitor problem, for which I have received some advice Bob Rea -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Bob Rea wrote on 2014-09-12 12:31 (GMT-0400):
I recently acquired a Lenovo 515 Desktop. I tried to install 11.3 which I had downloaded a while back and accidentally blew away Windows 8.1, which was an ugly mess. One I got it installed and running KDE, it set the resolution of the Dell P990.
What is "it"? The installer? And for what, the ttys, or X/KDE, or both?
No other resolution is available. This means
What do you mean "no other"? None other than what?
that the viewport is too small. Some apps I have scroll bars and others not.
Is only a portion of the screen being used, or is what should be on screen cut off offscreen? If offscreen/cut off, the mode used has scan settings out of range for the presets and existing customs and needs to be adjusted using the P990's control buttons.
Has anyone else had suck a problem, and if so, how have you dealt with it.
Long ago, with the P990's replacement, the P991: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=222480 If they're essentially the same, yours may have developed an EDID problem. I had a bunch of P991s, and AFAIR, each eventually developed EDID failure if they didn't have it on arrival. If SaX2 is working, or if your KDE display controls are working, try choosing the Dell P991 display, which should offer whichever mode you prefer. The P991 has/had a full selection from 640x480 all the way up through 2048x1536 for anyone whose eyes can handle tiny tiny everything. The P990 should handle at least up to 1600x1200 if not 2048x1536. Even if neither SaX2 or KDE will work for you, 11.3 does respond to PreferredMode that you can set in xorg.conf manually if using any of the popular KMS-supported gfxchip drivers, Intel, Radeon & Nouveau. Even if your Radeon HD8330 chip is too new for 11.3's Radeon driver, you should still be able to get totally functional 1024x768 using Xorg's vesa driver on that P990. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, September 12, 2014 4:13 pm, Felix Miata wrote:
Bob Rea wrote on 2014-09-12 12:31 (GMT-0400):
I recently acquired a Lenovo 515 Desktop. I tried to install 11.3 which I had downloaded a while back and accidentally blew away Windows 8.1, which was an ugly mess. One I got it installed and running KDE, it set the resolution of the Dell P990.
What is "it"? The installer? And for what, the ttys, or X/KDE, or both?
both are quite large, KDE is the one where parts go off the screen !!.3, which I just need to get 13.1, which I am able to do and am doing
No other resolution is available. This means
What do you mean "no other"? None other than what?
720x350
that the viewport is too small. Some apps I have scroll bars and others not.
Is only a portion of the screen being used, or is what should be on screen cut off offscreen? If offscreen/cut off, the mode used has scan settings out of range for the presets and existing customs and needs to be adjusted using the P990's control buttons.
Those don't work
Has anyone else had suck a problem, and if so, how have you dealt with it.
Long ago, with the P990's replacement, the P991: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=222480 If they're essentially the same, yours may have developed an EDID problem. I had a bunch of P991s, and AFAIR, each eventually developed EDID failure if they didn't have it on arrival.
If SaX2 is working, or if your KDE display controls are working, try choosing the Dell P991 display, which should offer whichever mode you prefer. The P991 has/had a full selection from 640x480 all the way up through 2048x1536 for anyone whose eyes can handle tiny tiny everything. The P990 should handle at least up to 1600x1200 if not 2048x1536.
Even if neither SaX2 or KDE will work for you, 11.3 does respond to PreferredMode that you can set in xorg.conf manually if using any of the
KDE offers only that resolution at 73 hz, and does not offer any choice of monitors
Even if your Radeon HD8330 chip is too new for 11.3's Radeon driver, you should still be able to get totally functional 1024x768 using Xorg's vesa driver on that P990. --
How do I get to the vesa driver?
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On 9/12/2014 1:29 PM, Bob Rea wrote:
Even if neither SaX2 or KDE will work for you, 11.3 does respond to
PreferredMode that you can set in xorg.conf manually if using any of the KDE offers only that resolution at 73 hz, and does not offer any choice of monitors
Well when you get to a later distro, and a later kde you will find that all these limitations go away. I've run dual headed KDE even back in the KDE3 days as well as in the KDE4 current versions. The big thing that has changed since the is that Xorg usually needs virtually no touching to utilize your monitor correctly. Your problem is that 11.3 is fairly ancient, 12.3 while still old will do everything you need, and 13.1 is current and should work just fine. Personally I would not have started with anything that old, and I would have dug around and found out why you couldn't download 13.1 under windows because that has not been my experience. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote on 2014-09-12 14:08 (GMT-0700):
Well when you get to a later distro, and a later kde you will find that all these limitations go away.
If indeed his root problem is bad EDID, 13.1 won't make his trouble go entirely away. Xorg will still need to have monitor fundaments provided via config file, but if also his gfxchip is too new for 11.3's radeon driver, then 13.1 will provide better options than 720x350, 1024x768 and 1280x1024 once given essential P990 monitor data (HorizSync & VertRefresh) to work with. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Bob Rea wrote on 2014-09-12 16:29 (GMT-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
What is "it"? The installer? And for what, the ttys, or X/KDE, or both?
both are quite large, KDE is the one where parts go off the screen
!!.3, which I just need to get 13.1, which I am able to do and am doing
What do you mean "no other"? None other than what?
720x350
That supports brokenness of the P990's EDID. On a vtty, what does fbset report?
Is only a portion of the screen being used, or is what should be on screen cut off offscreen? If offscreen/cut off, the mode used has scan settings out of range for the presets and existing customs and needs to be adjusted using the P990's control buttons.
Those don't work
O_O
KDE offers only that resolution at 73 hz, and does not offer any choice of monitors
That 73 would be another manifestation of broken EDID.
Even if your Radeon HD8330 chip is too new for 11.3's Radeon driver, you should still be able to get totally functional 1024x768 using Xorg's vesa driver on that P990. --
How do I get to the vesa driver?
It's probably already in use, but improperly configured for X due to broken EDID. Before anything else, try rebooting with nomodeset on Grub's kernel cmdline. If that doesn't help, save the following as /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart X, or reboot: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/Xorg/xorg.conf-bobrea I made it on 11.3 from the existing xorg.conf, tested it with i845G gfxchip, then tested on a different 11.3 host with rv200 Radeon gfxchip. On both it produced competent 1024x768. With both I used a Trinitron that's probably 2-3 years newer than your P990 Trinitron. I'd be surprised if it won't work for you. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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