When will it be safe to update the kernel from YOU?
Just wondering. All this bad talk about the new kernel has me wondering. Preston
On Thursday 24 June 2004 08:30 am, Preston Crawford wrote:
Just wondering. All this bad talk about the new kernel has me wondering.
Preston
Like so many other people have stateded. Most posts will be for problems and not for success. Would you not trust a doctor because all he/she sees are sick people? hehehe B-)
On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 07:45, Brad Bourn wrote:
On Thursday 24 June 2004 08:30 am, Preston Crawford wrote:
Just wondering. All this bad talk about the new kernel has me wondering.
Preston
Like so many other people have stateded. Most posts will be for problems and not for success. Would you not trust a doctor because all he/she sees are sick people?
I agree and apologize for posting two threads on this. My last didn't show up for me. Must have been my mail server. Anyway, the problem is that I don't want to upgrade if there's a chance of a problem. I'd like to see SuSE put out a kernel upgrade where there were few to no complaints before I'll upgrade. Preston
On Thursday 24 Jun 2004 16:01, Preston Crawford wrote:
On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 07:45, Brad Bourn wrote:
On Thursday 24 June 2004 08:30 am, Preston Crawford wrote:
Just wondering. All this bad talk about the new kernel has me wondering.
Preston
Like so many other people have stateded. Most posts will be for problems and not for success. Would you not trust a doctor because all he/she sees are sick people?
I agree and apologize for posting two threads on this. My last didn't show up for me. Must have been my mail server.
Anyway, the problem is that I don't want to upgrade if there's a chance of a problem. I'd like to see SuSE put out a kernel upgrade where there were few to no complaints before I'll upgrade.
Preston
think your on a bit of a hiding to nothing there basically there will always be someone that has problems with something in the kernel no matter what is done , It basically seems to be the case that if you have an oldish small IDE hard drive dont upgrade via YOU if your drive is newer and in excess of about 20 Gig from what i have seen then you have no problem i can say quite safely i fall in the no problem range with a small by modern standards 80 Gig Drive but updates work a treat all the time reboot every time no problem .. So your waiting till there are NO problems is a bit of a hiding to nothing i am affraid to say but if you want to wait till the year 3035 or similar thats up to you .. Pete . -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan PGN
On Thursday 24 June 2004 13:50, peter Nikolic wrote:
On Thursday 24 Jun 2004 16:01, Preston Crawford wrote:
On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 07:45, Brad Bourn wrote:
On Thursday 24 June 2004 08:30 am, Preston Crawford wrote: /snip/
think your on a bit of a hiding to nothing there basically there will always be someone that has problems with something in the kernel no matter what is done , It basically seems to be the case that if you have an oldish small IDE hard drive dont upgrade via YOU if your drive is newer and in excess of about 20 Gig /snip/
Is 20 GB a hard number, or does someone know the "real" lower limit? --doug
On Thursday 24 June 2004 20:10, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Thursday 24 June 2004 13:50, peter Nikolic wrote:
On Thursday 24 Jun 2004 16:01, Preston Crawford wrote:
On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 07:45, Brad Bourn wrote:
On Thursday 24 June 2004 08:30 am, Preston Crawford wrote:
/snip/
think your on a bit of a hiding to nothing there basically there will always be someone that has problems with something in the kernel no matter what is done , It basically seems to be the case that if you have an oldish small IDE hard drive dont upgrade via YOU if your drive is newer and in excess of about 20 Gig
/snip/
Is 20 GB a hard number, or does someone know the "real" lower limit? --doug
No, it's a "finger waved in the air" lower limit, meaning that no one knows the real parameters. Until we see the fix, we don't know what the problem is. FWIW I've got 3 systems running 9.1. My new work laptop upgraded fine. I didn't upgrade my older personal laptop yet. My main system fouled up. Spewed out lots of what looked like dodgy looking trace from within the driver. It also bitched about IRQ 10. I've reverted, and locked the kernel in YaST, but it's a bit of a pain. That system has two 40GB Seagates, one 13GB Maxtor, and one 8GB Quantum. Unfortunately I don't recall any indication of which drive was causing the trace. -- Steve Boddy
I would consider something like this to be a MAJOR problem. Sure its theres always going to be a little problem with some hardware on kernel upgrades, but not being able to work on smaller hard disks (like the ones i use as system disks in all our SuSE servers for example) Is a critical problem and should be addressed straight away. One of the great things about linux is its small footprint and not having to have a massive hard disk bloated with crap to have a full working system. Kernels should not be distributed like that. Imagine if you sitting at home on a dial up and you just spent 3 hours download the new kernel through YOU and it completely ruins your system? Id e be pretty angry thats for sure. Adam On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 06:50:17PM +0100, peter Nikolic wrote:
On Thursday 24 Jun 2004 16:01, Preston Crawford wrote:
On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 07:45, Brad Bourn wrote:
On Thursday 24 June 2004 08:30 am, Preston Crawford wrote:
Just wondering. All this bad talk about the new kernel has me wondering.
Preston
Like so many other people have stateded. Most posts will be for problems and not for success. Would you not trust a doctor because all he/she sees are sick people?
I agree and apologize for posting two threads on this. My last didn't show up for me. Must have been my mail server.
Anyway, the problem is that I don't want to upgrade if there's a chance of a problem. I'd like to see SuSE put out a kernel upgrade where there were few to no complaints before I'll upgrade.
Preston
think your on a bit of a hiding to nothing there basically there will always be someone that has problems with something in the kernel no matter what is done , It basically seems to be the case that if you have an oldish small IDE hard drive dont upgrade via YOU if your drive is newer and in excess of about 20 Gig from what i have seen then you have no problem i can say quite safely i fall in the no problem range with a small by modern standards 80 Gig Drive but updates work a treat all the time reboot every time no problem ..
So your waiting till there are NO problems is a bit of a hiding to nothing i am affraid to say but if you want to wait till the year 3035 or similar thats up to you ..
Pete .
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On Thursday 24 June 2004 10:30 am, Preston Crawford wrote:
Just wondering. All this bad talk about the new kernel has me wondering.
Preston ========
Preston, Most all of the problems that have shown up seem to involve an older hard drive. The only one I had trouble with was an old Quantum 7.5gb drive, but all others were 40gb drives and no problems appeared with those. Lee -- --- KMail v1.6.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
On Thursday June 24 2004 11:02 am, BandiPat wrote:
Preston, Most all of the problems that have shown up seem to involve an older hard drive. The only one I had trouble with was an old Quantum 7.5gb drive, but all others were 40gb drives and no problems appeared with those.
That's NOT true. It has NOTHING to do with the age of the drives, nor if IDE nor SCSI. That was discussed at length, and NEW systems fail as easily. Fred -- "Ballmer is no more designed for the art of persuasion than the Abrams tank is for delivering meals on wheels."
On Saturday 26 June 2004 01:17 am, Fred Miller wrote:
On Thursday June 24 2004 11:02 am, BandiPat wrote:
Preston, Most all of the problems that have shown up seem to involve an older hard drive. The only one I had trouble with was an old Quantum 7.5gb drive, but all others were 40gb drives and no problems appeared with those.
That's NOT true. It has NOTHING to do with the age of the drives, nor if IDE nor SCSI. That was discussed at length, and NEW systems fail as easily.
Fred
Fred, Pay attention now, as I know your attention span is short. I didn't say it had only to do with older drives or that was the problem. Most that complained mentioned having an older drive. I just stated my observations with the system I had here that failed with the new kernel. As far as SCSI, I don't think I mentioned it, so you must be thinking of something or somebody else there. Lee -- --- KMail v1.6.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
You are correct. I have a slightly older system. My drive layout is 1 80gig western digital, and 2 40 gig western digital drives. I have software raids setup from partitions on the 80 gig drives to the 40 gig drives. These are not really old drives. I did the kernel upgrade, and because I am still no where near a Linux expert I had to reformat the system drive and reinstall 9.1. I did all the updates except the Kernel. Now the system works just fine again. This is a real problem, especially if you are like me and learning Linux and not an expert.
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On Thursday June 24 2004 11:02 am, BandiPat wrote:
Preston, Most all of the problems that have shown up seem to involve an older hard drive. The only one I had trouble with was an old Quantum 7.5gb drive, but all others were 40gb drives and no problems appeared with those.
That's NOT true. It has NOTHING to do with the age of the drives, nor if IDE nor SCSI. That was discussed at length, and NEW systems fail as easily.
Fred
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