I bought a Bluetooth dongle today, hoping to be able to use it on my notebook machine. When it didn't work as expected, I googled for pertinent information, and quickly found a page at http://en.opensuse.org/Bluetooth#openSUSE_11.1, which seemed to be just what the doctor ordered. It's suggestions for fixing what it indicates is a known bug failed, producing no improvement in the Bluetooth problem, and also causing the Bluetooth applet to disappear from the Panel and the Network Manager to fail. I lost hope when I encountered the following sentence:
"If you are having issues with kde's Bluetooth front ends on 11.1 try installing gnome-Bluetooth and bluez-gnome, and running Bluetooth-applet. This does not work, but it gives you something to occupy your time. Or, go back to 10.3."
I refrain for commenting on the attitude betrayed by the page, but I, for one, have plenty to do without spending my time on proposed "solutions" that are guaranteed up front not to work. I think the time has come has come to ask if anybody has got Bluetooth to work on v11.1, and if so, what did they do to accomplish this?
What I wrote qualifies as a flame, and I have to apologize for it. What it means is that the headset and the adapter that I bought are now junk, which was more than a disappointment. I would cheerfully move ahead to 11.2, if that didn't mean putting up with kde4, which is too great a price to pay. All that said, I continue to believe that it was a mistake and worse to abandon what was kde, and foist a radically different desktop on users. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 22 Mar 2010 09:14:01 Stan Goodman wrote:
I bought a Bluetooth dongle today, hoping to be able to use it on my notebook machine. When it didn't work as expected, I googled for pertinent information, and quickly found a page at http://en.opensuse.org/Bluetooth#openSUSE_11.1, which seemed to be just what the doctor ordered. It's suggestions for fixing what it indicates is a known bug failed, producing no improvement in the Bluetooth problem, and also causing the Bluetooth applet to disappear from the Panel and the Network Manager to fail. I lost hope when I encountered the following sentence:
"If you are having issues with kde's Bluetooth front ends on 11.1 try installing gnome-Bluetooth and bluez-gnome, and running Bluetooth-applet. This does not work, but it gives you something to occupy your time. Or, go back to 10.3."
I refrain for commenting on the attitude betrayed by the page, but I, for one, have plenty to do without spending my time on proposed "solutions" that are guaranteed up front not to work. I think the time has come has come to ask if anybody has got Bluetooth to work on v11.1, and if so, what did they do to accomplish this?
What I wrote qualifies as a flame, and I have to apologize for it.
What it means is that the headset and the adapter that I bought are now junk, which was more than a disappointment. I would cheerfully move ahead to 11.2, if that didn't mean putting up with kde4, which is too great a price to pay. All that said, I continue to believe that it was a mistake and worse to abandon what was kde, and foist a radically different desktop on users.
Hi Stan, I bought a tiny little usb bluetooth device from Staples here in the UK. When I plug it in I get the following messages: Mar 22 20:43:46 linux-box kernel: usb 4-4.3: Manufacturer: Broadcom Corp Mar 22 20:43:46 linux-box kernel: usb 4-4.3: SerialNumber: 00123456789 ... Mar 22 20:43:47 linux-box bluetoothd[3107]: Adapter /org/bluez/3107/hci0 has been enabled Then I upgraded to kbluetooth-0.4.2-7.2 which gives more functionality than I had with 0.3 something. BEWARE When installing this it dragged down a large array of dependant packages from the online repositories and upgraded KDE from 4.3 (I think!) (whatever comes as default version on the 11.1 DVD) up to 4.4.1. Since then my sound is not working properly. Something to do with pulseaudio and/or phonon. Haven't had time to properly investigate. Bluetooth works a treat though. :-) I can now send and receive files from my mobile phone So good points - Bluetooth Yay! and bad points - Non working sound - Bah! -- Kind Regards, Ritchie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ritchie Fraser Web: http://www.rpfraser.uklinux.net Registered Linux User #255860
On 22/03/10 20:57, Ritchie Fraser wrote:
On Monday 22 Mar 2010 09:14:01 Stan Goodman wrote:
What I wrote qualifies as a flame, and I have to apologize for it.
What it means is that the headset and the adapter that I bought are now junk, which was more than a disappointment. I would cheerfully move ahead to 11.2, if that didn't mean putting up with kde4, which is too great a price to pay. All that said, I continue to believe that it was a mistake and worse to abandon what was kde, and foist a radically different desktop on users.
Stan, without getting into any arguments, just a suggestion. If you absolutely must avoid KDE4 at all costs, just do a console-only install of 11.2, then add KDE:KDE3 repository and install and run 3.5.10. Though whether this will work for any further openSUSE releases is not guaranteed. openSUSE 11.2 != KDE4 I bought a tiny little usb bluetooth device from Staples here in the UK. When I plug it in I get the following messages:
Mar 22 20:43:46 linux-box kernel: usb 4-4.3: Manufacturer: Broadcom Corp Mar 22 20:43:46 linux-box kernel: usb 4-4.3: SerialNumber: 00123456789 ... Mar 22 20:43:47 linux-box bluetoothd[3107]: Adapter /org/bluez/3107/hci0 has been enabled
Then I upgraded to kbluetooth-0.4.2-7.2 which gives more functionality than I had with 0.3 something. BEWARE When installing this it dragged down a large array of dependant packages from the online repositories and upgraded KDE from 4.3 (I think!) (whatever comes as default version on the 11.1 DVD) up to 4.4.1.
Yes, unfortunately kbluetooth 0.4 seems to require KDE >= 4.4 so there is no simple backport for 11.1 ... But I assume Stan would be running kdebluetooth from KDE3, and I don't know if it still works or if bluez went through some incompatible changes since the last KDE3 release.
Since then my sound is not working properly. Something to do with pulseaudio and/or phonon. Haven't had time to properly investigate. Bluetooth works a treat though. :-)
I can now send and receive files from my mobile phone
So good points - Bluetooth Yay! and bad points - Non working sound - Bah!
Ritchie, phonon has a tendency to get left behind during upgrades, just do a zypper dup -r KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop and see if that fixes it. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 23:30:35 on Monday Monday 22 March 2010, Tejas Guruswamy
On 22/03/10 20:57, Ritchie Fraser wrote:
On Monday 22 Mar 2010 09:14:01 Stan Goodman wrote:
What I wrote qualifies as a flame, and I have to apologize for it.
What it means is that the headset and the adapter that I bought are now junk, which was more than a disappointment. I would cheerfully move ahead to 11.2, if that didn't mean putting up with kde4, which is too great a price to pay. All that said, I continue to believe that it was a mistake and worse to abandon what was kde, and foist a radically different desktop on users.
Stan, without getting into any arguments, just a suggestion. If you absolutely must avoid KDE4 at all costs, just do a console-only install of 11.2, then add KDE:KDE3 repository and install and run 3.5.10. Though whether this will work for any further openSUSE releases is not guaranteed. openSUSE 11.2 != KDE4
I bought a tiny little usb bluetooth device from Staples here in the UK. When I plug it in I get the following messages:
Mar 22 20:43:46 linux-box kernel: usb 4-4.3: Manufacturer: Broadcom Corp Mar 22 20:43:46 linux-box kernel: usb 4-4.3: SerialNumber: 00123456789 ... Mar 22 20:43:47 linux-box bluetoothd[3107]: Adapter /org/bluez/3107/hci0 has been enabled
Then I upgraded to kbluetooth-0.4.2-7.2 which gives more functionality than I had with 0.3 something. BEWARE When installing this it dragged down a large array of dependant packages from the online repositories and upgraded KDE from 4.3 (I think!) (whatever comes as default version on the 11.1 DVD) up to 4.4.1.
Yes, unfortunately kbluetooth 0.4 seems to require KDE >= 4.4 so there is no simple backport for 11.1 ... But I assume Stan would be running kdebluetooth from KDE3, and I don't know if it still works or if bluez went through some incompatible changes since the last KDE3 release.
Since then my sound is not working properly. Something to do with pulseaudio and/or phonon. Haven't had time to properly investigate. Bluetooth works a treat though. :-)
I can now send and receive files from my mobile phone
So good points - Bluetooth Yay! and bad points - Non working sound - Bah!
Ritchie, phonon has a tendency to get left behind during upgrades, just do a zypper dup -r KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop and see if that fixes it.
In light of the horror stories that I've heard about Bluetooth and oS/kde3, I don't think I want to even chance it. I took a shot at installing Bluetooth in a virtual WinXP machine under VirtualBox in my laptop. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work, and it did install easily. It is now asking me to pair it with appliances, but I am up to my ears in things that have to be done during the coming half day, because I have airplane tickets to use. I'll try to do it while I am abroad. I know I'll have a problem getting the headset to work, because so far, I haven't got sound out of the laptop, except from the BEL function. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 22 Mar 2010 21:30:35 Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 22/03/10 20:57, Ritchie Fraser wrote:
On Monday 22 Mar 2010 09:14:01 Stan Goodman wrote:
What I wrote qualifies as a flame, and I have to apologize for it.
What it means is that the headset and the adapter that I bought are now junk, which was more than a disappointment. I would cheerfully move ahead to 11.2, if that didn't mean putting up with kde4, which is too great a price to pay. All that said, I continue to believe that it was a mistake and worse to abandon what was kde, and foist a radically different desktop on users.
Stan, without getting into any arguments, just a suggestion. If you absolutely must avoid KDE4 at all costs, just do a console-only install of 11.2, then add KDE:KDE3 repository and install and run 3.5.10. Though whether this will work for any further openSUSE releases is not guaranteed. openSUSE 11.2 != KDE4
I bought a tiny little usb bluetooth device from Staples here in the UK. When I plug it in I get the following messages:
Mar 22 20:43:46 linux-box kernel: usb 4-4.3: Manufacturer: Broadcom Corp Mar 22 20:43:46 linux-box kernel: usb 4-4.3: SerialNumber: 00123456789 ... Mar 22 20:43:47 linux-box bluetoothd[3107]: Adapter /org/bluez/3107/hci0 has been enabled
Then I upgraded to kbluetooth-0.4.2-7.2 which gives more functionality than I had with 0.3 something. BEWARE When installing this it dragged down a large array of dependant packages from the online repositories and upgraded KDE from 4.3 (I think!) (whatever comes as default version on the 11.1 DVD) up to 4.4.1.
Yes, unfortunately kbluetooth 0.4 seems to require KDE >= 4.4 so there is no simple backport for 11.1 ... But I assume Stan would be running kdebluetooth from KDE3, and I don't know if it still works or if bluez went through some incompatible changes since the last KDE3 release.
Since then my sound is not working properly. Something to do with pulseaudio and/or phonon. Haven't had time to properly investigate. Bluetooth works a treat though. :-)
I can now send and receive files from my mobile phone
So good points - Bluetooth Yay! and bad points - Non working sound - Bah!
Ritchie, phonon has a tendency to get left behind during upgrades, just do a zypper dup -r KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop and see if that fixes it.
Regards, Tejas
Hi Tajas, Thanks for the suggestion. I tried and got the following... linux-box:~ # zypper dup -r KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop Repository 'KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop' not found by its alias, number, or URI. Use 'zypper repos' to get the list of defined repositories. So I tried 'zypper repos' as hinted at by above... linux-box:~ # zypper repos # | Alias | Name | Enabled | Refresh ---+-------------------------+-------------------------+---------+-------- 1 | Education_and_GRAMPS | Education and GRAMPS | Yes | Yes 2 | Funky_Penguin_-_Gwibber | Funky Penguin - Gwibber | No | Yes 3 | LibDVDcss_Repository | LibDVDcss Repository | No | No 4 | NVIDIA Repository | NVIDIA Repository | No | Yes 5 | OpenOffice_(Stable) | OpenOffice (Stable) | No | Yes 6 | Packman | Packman |Yes |Yes 7 | VLC_VideoLan | VLC VideoLan | No | Yes 8 | Wine | Wine | No | Yes 9 | openSUSE 11.1-0 | openSUSE 11.1-0 | Yes | No 10 | openSUSE_Firefox | openSUSE Firefox | No | Yes 11 | openSUSE_KDE:KDE4:Desktop:Factory | openSUSE KDE:KDE4:Desktop:Factory | Yes| Yes 12 | openSUSE_OpenOffice_EXTRAS|openSUSE OpenOffice EXTRAS|Yes | Yes 13 | repo-debug | openSUSE-11.1-Debug | No | Yes 14 | repo-non-oss | openSUSE-11.1-Non-Oss | Yes | Yes 15 | repo-oss | openSUSE-11.1-Oss | Yes | Yes 16 | repo-source | openSUSE-11.1-Source | No | Yes 17 | repo-update | openSUSE-11.1-Update | Yes | Yes linux-box:~ # hmmm zypper is looking for 'KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop' and I've got 'KDE:KDE4:Desktop:Factory'. OK. http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade#Upgrading_to_KDE_4.4.x_on_openSUSE_11.2 says that I should add and enable the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openSU... repository. This is for 11.2 and I have 11.1. Is this OK for me to add an 11.2 repo for an 11.1 install? -- Kind Regards, Ritchie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ritchie Fraser Web: http://www.rpfraser.uklinux.net Registered Linux User #255860
On Tuesday 23 March 2010 02:09:03 Ritchie Fraser wrote:
11 | openSUSE_KDE:KDE4:Desktop:Factory | openSUSE KDE:KDE4:Desktop:Factory
hmmm zypper is looking for 'KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop' and I've got 'KDE:KDE4:Desktop:Factory'.
No, you actually have 'openSUSE_KDE:KDE4:Desktop:Factory', which is probably what you need anyway.
OK. http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade#Upgrading_to_KDE_4.4.x_on_openSUSE_11.2 says that I should add and enable the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openS USE_11.2/ repository. This is for 11.2 and I have 11.1.
Is this OK for me to add an 11.2 repo for an 11.1 install?
No, it's a bad idea because the packages in that repo built for 11.2 will have dependencies on other versions of packages that are only found in 11.2 and the installation will fail. See http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories for the extensive list of repositories for 11.1 and other openSUSE releases. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 23 Mar 2010 08:42:09 Will Stephenson wrote:
On Tuesday 23 March 2010 02:09:03 Ritchie Fraser wrote:
11 | openSUSE_KDE:KDE4:Desktop:Factory | openSUSE KDE:KDE4:Desktop:Factory
hmmm zypper is looking for 'KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop'
and I've got 'KDE:KDE4:Desktop:Factory'.
No, you actually have 'openSUSE_KDE:KDE4:Desktop:Factory', which is probably what you need anyway.
OK. http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade#Upgrading_to_KDE_4.4.x_on_openSUSE_11. 2
says that I should add and enable the
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/ope nS USE_11.2/ repository. This is for 11.2 and I have 11.1.
Is this OK for me to add an 11.2 repo for an 11.1 install?
No, it's a bad idea because the packages in that repo built for 11.2 will have dependencies on other versions of packages that are only found in 11.2 and the installation will fail.
See http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories for the extensive list of repositories for 11.1 and other openSUSE releases.
Will OK,
I wont add or enable that one then. Thanks for the advice. How do I get the latest phonon for 11.1? -- Kind Regards, Ritchie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ritchie Fraser Web: http://www.rpfraser.uklinux.net Registered Linux User #255860
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