[opensuse] (incomplete) list of possibilities (and impossibilities) to play mp3 on SuSE 10.2
I think I have called enough attention (and created a lot of confusion) to the mp3 issue, thank you for caring about this and discuss about it. As more people start paying attention on issues the issues are likely getting solved faster. And this post is for the users who look for an answer like me: List of players that play mp3 by default: * MPlayer (from packman) * VLC (video lan client, from their repository) * realplay BMP (no known easy solution yet): people who failed to play mp3 with BMP simply has installed OpenSuSE's bmp (bmp-0.9.7.1-43.i586.rpm) which have mp3 ability stripped. I was told packman offer a BMP package with mp3 support ( http://packman.links2linux.de/package/bmp I failed to install this package because it has no SuSE 10.2 version. It rely on a .so file that do not exist on my SuSE 10.2. So, currently there are yet no known solution to play mp3 with BMP without using commandline. There is also a package called audacious which is a fork of BMP, however for me it doesn't play mp3 as well, YMMV. Banshee (said there is an easy solution, but doesn't work for me. YMMV) SuSE's native banshee package do not support mp3, a replacement package helix-banshee is said to support it. This package is said to be only existing on DVD version's non-oss section. I didn't install by DVD (I use network install) and for me the helix-banshee package do not exist even in opensuse's Internet's non-oss repository. I managed to get and installed a helix-banshee package from ftp.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-Factory-non-oss/inst-source-extra/suse/i586/helix-banshee-0.11.2-27.i586.rpm (but I don't know why today it's no logner there). This package installs fine but still not able to play mp3. Maybe some of you who successfully made banshee work can let us know where you get which rpm that works. If it's true this rpm only exist on DVD version, can we do something to encourage Novell to put it to the non-oss section on offical repository? Totem, Rhythmbox, xmms (easy solution avaiable!) There are easy solution avaiable! But I don't know what. My Totem can play mp3 just fine, my Rhythmbox also, but I knew a fresh SuSE installation cannot. I have installed a lot of packages I googled around for mp3 support and now I don't know which package made mp3 possible. I removed these packages from my system but Totem and Rhythmbox still play mp3 file so these packages should not be responsible for mp3: gstreamer010-plugins-ugly helix-banshee-engine-gst xine-lib libxine I also tried to remove totem and re-install it when disabling packman repository (only to find out if I am using packman's totem). Being sure I am using OpenSuSE oss' totem, I am still able to play mp3. I am really eager to know which package enabled Rhythmbox and Totem, because I am going to recommend other users to use these packages. I knew solution must be easy because when I was trying to solve this problem recent days I strictly control myself only use google and GUI so that all solutions I can find must be usable for novince users. Reference resources: how to enable mp3 playback on xine-based players: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=509097 Listed all restricted formats that stripped from SuSE (but not include all solutions to workaround them, maybe for legal concern): http://en.opensuse.org/Restricted_Formats P.S. I hope we do not forget to mention in all messages posted about solving mp3 problems: that if possible, use ogg which has higher quality and is always playable on all Linux and a lot of players on Windows too. P.S. I am no specialist in this area (just an user) but I think simply blame Novell for not having mp3 native support in OpenSuSE is not very helpful for solving this problem (when most of the fault is on the mp3 patent holder not Novell). Novell need to know exactly what way users expect them to do in order to follow, a unclear request of "give us mp3 support" to my understanding is not the best. I suggest we have clear request like this: 1. Can novell help us by making Helix-banshee the default banshee package in OpenSuSE? 2. Can novell help user live easier by making non-oss another default installation source? (yes I am among the people who dislike closed source too) 3. Can novell let us know how they _tried_ to get related parties to agree SuSE use mp3 for free, and if the community can do anything to help? 4. Can novell give user friendly message on most cases when it cannot play mp3, to ask user to visit a how-to guide on a website maintained by community? This how to guide must be complete and easy and with screenshots, hosted on a website in China or any other countries where copyright and patents are difficult to enforce. I would do that if requested, I am in China. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 29 January 2007 20:49, Zhang Weiwu wrote:
I think I have called enough attention (and created a lot of confusion) to the mp3 issue, thank you for caring about this and discuss about it. As more people start paying attention on issues the issues are likely getting solved faster. And this post is for the users who look for an answer like me: Take a look at this page carefully:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3 Pay particular attention to section 11) Licensing and Patent Issues, and section 12) Alternate Technologies. Eventually this issue will die--- like the GIF issue has died... most folks use JPEG now. There will come a time when most folks use Ogg Vorbis... its just a matter of time. In fact, you can help. DONT USE MP3. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
在 2007-01-29一的 21:48 -0600,M Harris写道:
On Monday 29 January 2007 20:49, Zhang Weiwu wrote:
I think I have called enough attention (and created a lot of confusion) to the mp3 issue, thank you for caring about this and discuss about it. As more people start paying attention on issues the issues are likely getting solved faster. And this post is for the users who look for an answer like me: Take a look at this page carefully:
Point a link to wikipedia to a Chinese guy? Oh, we are not as free to access information as you thought. Maybe we have more "freedom" than you guys in Europ because we can use Windows without paying! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 29 January 2007 21:50, Zhang Weiwu wrote:
Point a link to wikipedia to a Chinese guy? Oh, we are not as free to access information as you thought. My apologies.
I sent some text to you directly. I hope it helps to answer some of your questions. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 29 January 2007, M Harris wrote:
Eventually this issue will die--- like the GIF issue has died... most folks use JPEG now.
Seems to me that the GIF issue died because the patent died, which will also happen to mp3 patents circa 2011 give or take a year or two. According to some people JPEG was not totally free either, http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,53981,00.html however these claims were largely (but not totally) struck down only a year ago. http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/30/jpeg_patent_invalida.html Other claims still exist: http://swpat.ffii.org/pikta/xrani/jpeg/index.en.html -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 29 January 2007 22:15, John Andersen wrote:
Seems to me that the GIF issue died because the patent died, which will also happen to mp3 patents circa 2011 give or take a year or two. My point is that most folks today do not make GIFs. The whole patent thing forced (and I'm thinking digital cameras here) to store the camera data as JPEG. So today the GIF is mostly dead. Yes mp3 is out there today... but long before the patent dies folks will shift to ogg--- at least that is my prediction.
PS Thanks for the links on JPEG... I enjoyed reading them... and I did not know that there are *still* claims out there against it... SOFTWARE PATENTS MUST DIE -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-01-29 at 23:21 -0600, M Harris wrote:
My point is that most folks today do not make GIFs. The whole patent thing forced (and I'm thinking digital cameras here) to store the camera data as JPEG. So today the GIF is mostly dead.
No, cameras use jpg because it compress much more - at a cost, it is a lossy format. The comparable alternative to gif is png, not jpg. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFvwIutTMYHG2NR9URAhpBAJsEfqYu20HoFToMrSCbgiZXxZhHIQCfcdTi p4kNmprCYEcfP/UQRFEm2yY= =LPsU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:30, Carlos E. R. wrote:
No, cameras use jpg because it compress much more - at a cost, it is a lossy format. The comparable alternative to gif is png, not jpg. Yeah, I know.
But there was a time when GIF was considered as an option for first quality photo image data (on camera) .... but alas, its not there... not on any of my digitals... and it would have been... if it were not for the licensing issues with GIF... that was the point. Well, anyway, the point was not to argue at all about video formats... the idea here is to think clearly about whether the community is going to be arm wrestled or boxed into using a lossy codec when other options are available. The community should drive this not the vendors. Let 'em keep the mp3 patent... who cares... I don't use it. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Zhang Weiwu wrote:
I think I have called enough attention (and created a lot of confusion) to the mp3 issue, thank you for caring about this and discuss about it. As more people start paying attention on issues the issues are likely getting solved faster. And this post is for the users who look for an
Listen, your post was pretty high on the trollmeter, and "As more people start paying attention on issues the issues are likely getting solved faster."... wth ? - - unless you use Ogg/Vorbis, the issue isn't solved and is never going to be solved; the only "solution" right now is Helix or fluendo (through a piece of junk named gstreamer) - - you really think you're the first person asking for this ? And the solution is right here: http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats/10.2
answer like me:
List of players that play mp3 by default: * MPlayer (from packman) * VLC (video lan client, from their repository) * realplay
Be careful not to add the SUSE repository on videolan.org to the package manager. Until Dominique renames "libmad" to "mad", it is going to cause havoc if you also add the Packman and/or the Guru repository.
BMP (no known easy solution yet): people who failed to play mp3 with BMP simply has installed OpenSuSE's bmp (bmp-0.9.7.1-43.i586.rpm) which have mp3 ability stripped. I was told packman offer a BMP package with mp3 support ( http://packman.links2linux.de/package/bmp I failed to install this package because it has no SuSE 10.2 version. It rely on a .so file that do not exist on my SuSE 10.2. So, currently there are yet no known solution to play mp3 with BMP without using commandline.
Just install http://opensuse-community.org/Amarok
There is also a package called audacious which is a fork of BMP, however for me it doesn't play mp3 as well, YMMV.
Should work though -- I guess you didn't install audacious-plugins: http://packman.links2linux.org/search/audacious
Banshee (said there is an easy solution, but doesn't work for me. YMMV) SuSE's native banshee package do not support mp3, a replacement package helix-banshee is said to support it. This package is said to be only existing on DVD version's non-oss section. I didn't install by DVD (I use network install) and for me the helix-banshee package do not exist even in opensuse's Internet's non-oss repository. I managed to get and installed a helix-banshee package from ftp.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-Factory-non-oss/inst-source-extra/suse/i586/helix-banshee-0.11.2-27.i586.rpm (but I don't know why today it's no logner there).
Indeed, it has suddenly disappeared from all repositories: http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=helix&distro=10.2 BTW, wrong URL, the non-oss repository for 10.2 is: http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/no... (other mirrors are listed on http://opensuse.org) (but helix-banshee has disappeared from it, or was never there, dunno, I'm using amarok)
This package installs fine but still not able to play mp3. Maybe some of you who successfully made banshee work can let us know where you get which rpm that works.
On a side note, helix-banshee _replaces_ the banshee package. Or at least so it did.
If it's true this rpm only exist on DVD version, can we do something to encourage Novell to put it to the non-oss section on offical repository?
It was supposed to be in there, AFAICR.
Totem, Rhythmbox, xmms (easy solution avaiable!) There are easy solution avaiable! But I don't know what. My Totem can play mp3 just fine, my Rhythmbox also, but I knew a fresh SuSE installation cannot. I have installed a lot of
xmms is dead, get over it. Rhythmbox isn't too far away from being dead either.
packages I googled around for mp3 support and now I don't know which package made mp3 possible. I removed these packages from my system but Totem and Rhythmbox still play mp3 file so these packages should not be responsible for mp3: gstreamer010-plugins-ugly helix-banshee-engine-gst xine-lib libxine
Install libxine1 from Packman (which replaces xine-lib from SUSE) to have MP3 support (and a few other closed formats) in all players that use the Xine engine (which includes Amarok).
I also tried to remove totem and re-install it when disabling packman repository (only to find out if I am using packman's totem). Being sure I am using OpenSuSE oss' totem, I am still able to play mp3. I am really eager to know which package enabled Rhythmbox and Totem, because I am going to recommend other users to use these packages.
Totem is probably using the Xine engine (just like Amarok), and the libxine1 package from Packman is the reason MP3 playback works, not the totem or amarok version itself.
I knew solution must be easy because when I was trying to solve this problem recent days I strictly control myself only use google and GUI so that all solutions I can find must be usable for novice users.
Reference resources:
You forgot: http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats/10.2
how to enable mp3 playback on xine-based players: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=509097
Listed all restricted formats that stripped from SuSE (but not include all solutions to workaround them, maybe for legal concern): http://en.opensuse.org/Restricted_Formats
The point is, we _may not_ post the solutions on opensuse.org for legal reasons.
P.S. I hope we do not forget to mention in all messages posted about solving mp3 problems: that if possible, use ogg which has higher quality and is always playable on all Linux and a lot of players on Windows too.
P.S. I am no specialist in this area (just an user) but I think simply blame Novell for not having mp3 native support in OpenSuSE is not very helpful for solving this problem (when most of the fault is on the mp3 patent holder not Novell). Novell need to know exactly what way users expect them to do in order to follow, a unclear request of "give us mp3 support" to my understanding is not the best. I suggest we have clear
True. And I'm pretty sure they're aware of the problem with all the details involved. It's not like it's something new.
request like this: 1. Can novell help us by making Helix-banshee the default banshee package in OpenSuSE?
Non-OSS packages should not be the default. Non-OSS packages are kept in the non-oss repository and on the non-oss addon CD. You wouldn't want to make those mandatory.
2. Can novell help user live easier by making non-oss another default installation source? (yes I am among the people who dislike closed source too)
That could be an option, at least the installer could prompt for it.
3. Can novell let us know how they _tried_ to get related parties to agree SuSE use mp3 for free, and if the community can do anything to help?
I'm not sure that information may be disclosed.
4. Can novell give user friendly message on most cases when it cannot play mp3, to ask user to visit a how-to guide on a website maintained by community? This how to guide must be
That means heavy patching on a lot of media player applications. Not feasible, or rather, not maintainable IMO.
complete and easy and with screenshots, hosted on a website in China or any other countries where copyright and patents are difficult to enforce. I would do that if requested, I am in China.
Not needed, we already have
http://opensuse-community.org/
http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats
http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats/10.2
cheers
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在 2007-01-30二的 07:21 +0100,Pascal Bleser写道:
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Zhang Weiwu wrote:
I think I have called enough attention (and created a lot of confusion) to the mp3 issue, thank you for caring about this and discuss about it. As more people start paying attention on issues the issues are likely getting solved faster. And this post is for the users who look for an
Listen, your post was pretty high on the trollmeter, and "As more people start paying attention on issues the issues are likely getting solved faster."... wth ?
Thanks for bring this hotter ;)
- - unless you use Ogg/Vorbis, the issue isn't solved and is never going to be solved; the only "solution" right now is Helix or fluendo (through a piece of junk named gstreamer)
I guess I listed several alternative solutions at the end of my original email. You can consider the only solution is ogg/vorbis, well I recognize that is a very good impractical solution. I will keep thinking the alternative solutions I listed are solutions that making sense, unless you write your reason convince me they are not. So please critise based on the list of solutions I have had. Critise it, the stronger the better. I need to be convinced ;)
- - you really think you're the first person asking for this ?
And the solution is right here: http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats/10.2
Yes, and this page is given to me when the very first time I ask about mp3 issue and I did read through. And then why I still look for a solution? Because that page is not enough, it didn't list solutions to all problems we are facing, not even better half of them (e.g. what about other lots of players on Gnome? what about totem as the default player? What about Rhythmbox? And Beep Media Player?) So, are you satisfied when you find a page sayign "hey, this is the solution" or are you satisfied when you find a solution that works? Well I am not going to be satisfied if only one or two players play mp3 on SuSE and solutions are out of ordinary non-techie user's reach. Do we want an OpenSuSE that require user to do a lot of post-configuration or do we want a product works out-of-the-box? Which one compete better with Vista? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-01-30 at 17:00 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote:
? 2007-01-30?? 07:21 +0100,Pascal Bleser??: ...
- - you really think you're the first person asking for this ?
And the solution is right here: http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats/10.2
Yes, and this page is given to me when the very first time I ask about mp3 issue and I did read through. And then why I still look for a solution? Because that page is not enough, it didn't list solutions to
Don't confuse that page with this one: http://en.opensuse.org/Restricted_Formats They are different, with different legal limitations, and thus, different information.
I am not going to be satisfied if only one or two players play mp3 on SuSE and solutions are out of ordinary non-techie user's reach.
I don't have problems playing mp3 with the programs I use. But there is no way that they will work out of the box, at least for the time being. Take it or leave it... :-( - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFv0pmtTMYHG2NR9URArfOAJ9vIgA2SXY7hL8XQ13duSJpOAlIUACeJZ8B wrL3MXUa+PEv28CXqjEAV6g= =8gjH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 10:00, Zhang Weiwu wrote:
Listen, your post was pretty high on the trollmeter, and "As more people start paying attention on issues the issues are likely getting solved faster."... wth ?
That's an understatement..
Thanks for bring this hotter ;)
Wait until you read the rest of what I've got to say.
So, are you satisfied when you find a page sayign "hey, this is the solution" or are you satisfied when you find a solution that works? Well I am not going to be satisfied if only one or two players play mp3 on SuSE and solutions are out of ordinary non-techie user's reach.
Do we want an OpenSuSE that require user to do a lot of post-configuration or do we want a product works out-of-the-box? Which one compete better with Vista?
Here's the deal. It's NOT going to be included. Lots of folks have told you this. The other part is that a number of folks, myself have given you the way to make this work. If you don't want to, or can't, then it's your problem not ours. The solutions are out there. If a person needs help, he asks. You on the other hand do nothing but complain because it doesn't work the way YOU want it to. That's too bad. If you don't like the answers try something else, or build your own distro. Then you can include whatever you want. I doubt that China has the restrictions that other countries have when it comes to this sort of thing. You said it yourself that most run Windows because it's free. Well, only in China is it free. I'd bet they run down and buy it on disk for only a fraction of the real cost. I'm not worried about a reply. You just made the bit bucket. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 4:16pm up 1 day 22:00, 4 users, load average: 1.14, 1.14, 1.14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 1:21 am, Pascal Bleser wrote:
xmms is dead, get over it.
What do you mean that xmms is dead? Xmms is still my favorite music player and accounts for 90% of my listening time. The other 10% I use Amarok. I would be very disappointed if xmms died. However, it still seems to be readily available and still works great. Thanks for any explanation of its "death." Bryan **************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 6.0 KDE 3.5.3 KMail 1.9.3 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net **************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Tuesday 30 January 2007 1:21 am, Pascal Bleser wrote:
xmms is dead, get over it.
What do you mean that xmms is dead?
Xmms is still my favorite music player and accounts for 90% of my listening time. The other 10% I use Amarok. I would be very disappointed if xmms died. However, it still seems to be readily available and still works great.
Thanks for any explanation of its "death."
Answered elsewhere in the thread.
cheers
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On Tuesday 30 January 2007 06:21, Pascal Bleser wrote:
xmms is dead, get over it.
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Now at one time i thought this bloke was an alright bloke now however he has become a nobody. Like it or not there is simply NO realistic replacement for XMMS none of the players i have installed/tried can even hold a candle to XMMS most of the are so bloated with un needed rubbish and wet assed ways of doing things they dont even glimmer on the horizon .. There certainley is NO suitable KDE replacement nor that other infestation gnome has nothing and the rest dont in all honesty count for much in the scheme of things YMMV Mine dont Pete . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-01-30 at 19:16 -0000, Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 06:21, Pascal Bleser wrote:
xmms is dead, get over it.
Now at one time i thought this bloke was an alright bloke now however he has become a nobody.
Like it or not there is simply NO realistic replacement for XMMS none of the
Pascal is not expressing an opinion, but a fact. The developement of XMMS has stopped, therefore, it is dead. Have a look at the project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms/: the last release is dated Jan 2002. You have some info on the wikipedia. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFv6ZrtTMYHG2NR9URAm7nAJ0VKuJMdTGwNO2YQfky9kk5l11GggCglAKS xpQQ22Vmqt2VK/T6iCM+p2A= =/F9z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 30 Jan 2007, robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
Pascal is not expressing an opinion, but a fact. The developement of XMMS has stopped, therefore, it is dead. Have a look at the project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms/: the last release is dated Jan 2002.
This is only because development have moved over to the xmms2 branch: http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page However, there are still bug fixes going into the xmms cvs tree. The latest entry was dated: Sat Jan 6 14:09:04 EET 2007 Charles -- panic ("Splunge!"); linux-2.2.16/drivers/scsi/psi240i.c
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-01-30 at 15:28 -0500, Charles philip Chan wrote:
On 30 Jan 2007, robin.listas@ wrote:
Pascal is not expressing an opinion, but a fact. The developement of XMMS has stopped, therefore, it is dead. Have a look at the project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms/: the last release is dated Jan 2002.
This is only because development have moved over to the xmms2 branch:
which is still at version 0.2, alpha state (http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms2/). It is not a valid replacement yet. It is not the only fork: there is also BMP, BMPx and Audacious, according to the wikipedia; I use BMP from packman myself, which is mature (has also stopped development) and forked to BMPx and Audacious (or A. forks from xmms directly, I'm unsure). Not a clear field :-)
However, there are still bug fixes going into the xmms cvs tree. The latest entry was dated:
Sat Jan 6 14:09:04 EET 2007
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On 30 Jan 2007, robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
which is still at version 0.2, alpha state (http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms2/). It is not a valid replacement yet.
I didn't say it was a valid replacement yet. I am just stating the fact that development have not stopped.
It is not the only fork: there is also BMP, BMPx and Audacious, according to the wikipedia;
xmms2 is not a fork, but a redesign by the original team (like what Arpi is doing for mplayer with mplayer2). I know this because I used to follow the XMMS devel list. Charles -- printk("CPU[%d]: Giving pardon to imprisoned penguins\n", smp_processor_id()); linux-2.4.8/arch/sparc64/kernel/smp.c
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-01-30 at 16:10 -0500, Charles philip Chan wrote:
On 30 Jan 2007, robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
which is still at version 0.2, alpha state (http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms2/). It is not a valid replacement yet.
I didn't say it was a valid replacement yet. I am just stating the fact that development have not stopped.
It has stopped for xmms. It has started for xmms2.
It is not the only fork: there is also BMP, BMPx and Audacious, according to the wikipedia;
xmms2 is not a fork, but a redesign by the original team (like what Arpi is doing for mplayer with mplayer2). I know this because I used to follow the XMMS devel list.
A question of names. Still, plain xmms is dead for practical purposes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmms: | | Forks ... | | # The XMMS2 project, a redesign of XMMS began by one of its original | authors - Peter Alm - started around the end of 2002. So... xmms stopped on 2002, xmms2 started then, but they are still at the alpha stage. xmms is dead, it's child ungrown. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFv9KGtTMYHG2NR9URAl9/AJ0agtQqcwMWbjFxw10HaSZbUCMY/gCfeC5x PlW4n6fJE3ls39/aWE1W0mI= =cJJy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 21:11, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 06:21, Pascal Bleser wrote:
xmms is dead, get over it.
Now at one time i thought this bloke was an alright bloke now however he has become a nobody.
Like it or not there is simply NO realistic replacement for XMMS none of the
Pascal is not expressing an opinion, but a fact. The developement of XMMS has stopped, therefore, it is dead. Have a look at the project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms/: the last release is dated Jan 2002.
You have some info on the wikipedia.
You might want to take a look at www.xmms.org. Seems they are still working on it. Last release was 1.2.10 which is higher than the one left on sourceforge. Updates on the news page are from 2006 also. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 9:39pm up 0:15, 4 users, load average: 2.25, 2.18, 1.47 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-01-30 at 21:40 +0100, Mike wrote:
XMMS has stopped, therefore, it is dead. Have a look at the project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms/: the last release is dated Jan 2002.
You have some info on the wikipedia.
You might want to take a look at www.xmms.org. Seems they are still working on it. Last release was 1.2.10 which is higher than the one left on sourceforge. Updates on the news page are from 2006 also.
1.2.10 is the veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeersion [Break: those "eeee...s" above are due to the nonexistent keyboard bug] I was going to say that 1.2.10 is the version that SuSE 10.1 included. However, the version on sourceforge is 1.2.6, dated Jan 2002. That matches with development being stopped, they probably only do maintenance realeases. Also, on wikipedia they say that it still uses GTK+ 1.x, it seems in order not to break third parties plugins. There has been a gtk 2.x for years, so it seems obvious that xmms can not continue as it is, that's why it has forked. So plain 'xmms' must be at least moribund, probably dead. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFv8+rtTMYHG2NR9URArYgAJ9W8vIgfIgkl4L+b+vfdSdXAPCVTgCdE/7a F9xF049nGbIy0aN7t181cnw= =RnfW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 30 January 2007, Mike wrote:
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 21:11, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 06:21, Pascal Bleser wrote:
xmms is dead, get over it.
Now at one time i thought this bloke was an alright bloke now however he has become a nobody.
Like it or not there is simply NO realistic replacement for XMMS none of the
Pascal is not expressing an opinion, but a fact. The developement of XMMS has stopped, therefore, it is dead. Have a look at the project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms/: the last release is dated Jan 2002.
You have some info on the wikipedia.
You might want to take a look at www.xmms.org. Seems they are still working on it. Last release was 1.2.10 which is higher than the one left on sourceforge. Updates on the news page are from 2006 also.
Mike
Not to mention xmms2 http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms2/ -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-01-30 at 19:29 -0900, John Andersen wrote:
You might want to take a look at www.xmms.org. Seems they are still working on it. Last release was 1.2.10 which is higher than the one left on sourceforge. Updates on the news page are from 2006 also.
Not to mention xmms2
Which is still at the alpha state after four years development. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFwGMotTMYHG2NR9URApUZAKCUWdCWhiL6SYzmUHZXf9uU+RIBCgCeMzN7 TBbhalBM3Ra7WA1Bl7J+0MU= =55ja -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 31 January 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2007-01-30 at 19:29 -0900, John Andersen wrote:
You might want to take a look at www.xmms.org. Seems they are still working on it. Last release was 1.2.10 which is higher than the one left on sourceforge. Updates on the news page are from 2006 also.
Not to mention xmms2
Which is still at the alpha state after four years development.
One could almost say the same about Amarok... -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-01-31 at 00:43 -0900, John Andersen wrote:
Not to mention xmms2
Which is still at the alpha state after four years development.
One could almost say the same about Amarok...
No. I'm not giving an opinion, but a fact, taken from the respective projects page at sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/amarok/ ... Project Details ... Development Status : 5 - Production/Stable http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms2/ ... Development Status : 3 - Alpha If you think that the current version of xmms2 (which is 0.2) should be dubbed "stable", please contact the developers to change that. But not being close to version number 1.0, I doubt they will. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFwG5wtTMYHG2NR9URAuTZAJ9vCW5Ta+AW/RbSB85yZIPQPbqgKgCfUwXY il4FiSuXXzzWm7XF+A2fcc8= =IVIr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 06:21, Pascal Bleser wrote:
xmms is dead, get over it.
-- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\
_\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. Now at one time i thought this bloke was an alright bloke now however he has become a nobody.
Heh. Being a nobody would give me *lots* of free time. Yay !
Like it or not there is simply NO realistic replacement for XMMS none of the players i have installed/tried can even hold a candle to XMMS most of the are so bloated with unneeded rubbish and wet assed ways of doing things they don't even glimmer on the horizon ..
Well I guess you should try vim to edit playlists + mpg123
There certainly is NO suitable KDE replacement nor that other infestation gnome has nothing and the rest don't in all honesty count for much in the scheme of things
Still doesn't change the fact that XMMS is a dead project.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=40823
xmms 1.2.6 January 7, 2002
It still uses glib/gtk 1.x (must be pretty much the last package that
uses it on the whole distro).
http://cvs.xmms.org/cvsweb.cgi/xmms/
Last time most files have been touched is 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, ...
That's hardly anything like actively maintained, and hence: "xmms is
dead, get over it"
I wonder how sort of insulting me is going to change anything about that
fact.
There are forks, branches, new developments, whatever, but the xmms
project itself is a dead horse.
cheers
- --
-o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/
/\\
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 15:08, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 06:21, Pascal Bleser wrote:
xmms is dead, get over it.
-- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\
_\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. Now at one time i thought this bloke was an alright bloke now however he has become a nobody.
Heh. Being a nobody would give me *lots* of free time. Yay !
hey, how did you get on my system? kai@sith:~/shared> l total 7032 -rwxr--r-- 1 nobody nobody 8961 2007-01-11 19:53 clsConfig.java* -rwxr--r-- 1 nobody nobody 814 2007-01-27 07:51 VPN-B-NAT 4.0.3.pcf* -rwxr--r-- 1 nobody nobody 791 2007-01-27 07:51 VPN-C-NoNAT 4.0.3.pcf* kai@sith:~/shared> h4xx0r! -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com closing the doors that surround me so no one will ever penetrate complete my retreat just to wait for the day that never comes so i will laugh alone -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 19:16 +0000, Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 06:21, Pascal Bleser wrote:
xmms is dead, get over it.
-- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\
_\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. Now at one time i thought this bloke was an alright bloke now however he has become a nobody.
Like it or not there is simply NO realistic replacement for XMMS none of the players i have installed/tried can even hold a candle to XMMS most of the are so bloated with un needed rubbish and wet assed ways of doing things they dont even glimmer on the horizon ..
There certainley is NO suitable KDE replacement nor that other infestation gnome has nothing and the rest dont in all honesty count for much in the scheme of things
YMMV Mine dont
Pete .
IMHO it simply depends on what you use your player for. My wife cannot stand XMMS, she loves Amarok, clicking on Lyrics and Band info just works for her - also sticking in a USB stick and dragging the mp3s around without fiddling with a filemanagers again just works for her. She has converted me. Bloat!!? so your running Damn Small Linux are you? Definitely not SUSE! I use XMMS for my standalone DSL jukebox, Amarok will not work there. So, it depends on what you use it for - like most other things in live. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
I think I have called enough attention (and created a lot of confusion)
I noticed that if the installation of openSUSE is pretty easy, there are "post install" operation not so well documented and very usefull. So I wrote this page: http://en.opensuse.org/Installation_and_post_installation Not being english native speaking, I have some difficulties, so feel free, of course, to fix it. it needs also to be linked from relevant wiki pages, feel free to do. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Votez pour nous, merci - vote for us, thanks :-) http://musique.sfrjeunestalents.fr/artiste/Magic-Alliance/ http://photo.sfrjeunestalents.fr/artiste/jddphoto/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
在 2007-01-30二的 09:39 +0100,jdd写道:
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
I think I have called enough attention (and created a lot of confusion)
I noticed that if the installation of openSUSE is pretty easy, there are "post install" operation not so well documented and very usefull.
So I wrote this page:
http://en.opensuse.org/Installation_and_post_installation
Not being english native speaking, I have some difficulties, so feel free, of course, to fix it.
it needs also to be linked from relevant wiki pages, feel free to do.
This is a very very helpful approach. I thank you very much for what you have done. There is still a question in my head, maybe I am stupid: There is a link in your page and it linke to a page explains issue related to restricted formats, I see a warning there: Do not add external links to software packages that contain illegal software. Since openSUSE is sponsored by Novell, this means "illegal" in any jurisdiction that Novell carries on business. Here I have a question for people who might understand law better than me. What is the word 'illegal' mean actually to me? I live in China for 25 years, this piece of land never made the concept of illegal software very clear. Is mad library illegal? I'd like to say this is perfectly legal here because I don't think there is an mp3 patent in China. Reverse engineer is also perfectly legal here (welcome to China!). So, I work on this wiki page and add a link to a page introducing how to enable mp3 on Novell using mad and lame and all mp3 decode library I know. So I should ignore this warning, right? Well there might be a better solution than understanding the warning the Chinese way, that is when I have found all solutions I can go enrich this page: http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats/10.2 Which seems do not have a warning like that. Next job is to make sure the page have good keywords and google rank so everyone can find it easily. I'd like to make a Chinese version of that page too. This is the least I can do. For other ways, like recommending Novell to put non-oss the default repository and equip as much players as possible to use helix for mp3 engine which is legal, is what I cannot do. Maybe the community can help... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
legal here because I don't think there is an mp3 patent in China. Reverse engineer is also perfectly legal here (welcome to China!). So, I
s/Reverse engineer/Reverse Engineerring/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
work on this wiki page and add a link to a page introducing how to enable mp3 on Novell using mad and lame and all mp3 decode library I know. So I should ignore this warning, right?
no the wiki is endorsed by Novell and Novell is an american company and must comply with US laws sorry :-( some pages here are already borderline :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Votez pour nous, merci - vote for us, thanks :-) http://musique.sfrjeunestalents.fr/artiste/Magic-Alliance/ http://photo.sfrjeunestalents.fr/artiste/jddphoto/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-01-30 at 17:15 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote:
This is a very very helpful approach. I thank you very much for what you have done. There is still a question in my head, maybe I am stupid:
There is a link in your page and it linke to a page explains issue related to restricted formats, I see a warning there:
Do not add external links to software packages that contain illegal software. Since openSUSE is sponsored by Novell, this means "illegal" in any jurisdiction that Novell carries on business.
Here I have a question for people who might understand law better than me. What is the word 'illegal' mean actually to me? I live in China for 25 years, this piece of land never made the concept of illegal software very clear. Is mad library illegal? I'd like to say this is perfectly
Notice that your local laws do not apply to that page. The applied law are those of the country to which Novell belongs. Ie, Novell is not a Chinese company, it is an American company: thus American laws apply to that page.
this page: http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats/10.2 Which seems do not have a warning like that.
Because it is not sponsored by Novell.
For other ways, like recommending Novell to put non-oss the default repository
No way. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFv0v0tTMYHG2NR9URAnioAJ94d9PA1j9G62rfOX4fBWvX+NMaGgCggNfI qQWi9+bMEvKOsL4ZoR+fJi4= =4dZC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Bryan S. Tyson
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Carlos E. R.
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Charles philip Chan
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Hans van der Merwe
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jdd
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John Andersen
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Kai Ponte
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M Harris
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Mike
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Pascal Bleser
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Peter Nikolic
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Zhang Weiwu