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Istvan Gabor

26 Apr 2010 26 Apr '10

14:19

Hello: I have installed font packages and now fonts of yast2 titles, like "Starting the Software Manager", "Hardware Information" etc. are different and ugly. How cold I trace which font is used for these titles and set it back to the original one? Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Felix Miata

26 Apr 26 Apr

14:27

On 2010/04/26 16:19 (GMT+0200) Istvan Gabor composed:

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I have installed font packages and now fonts of yast2 titles, like "Starting the Software Manager", "Hardware Information" etc. are different and ugly. How cold I trace which font is used for these titles and set it back to the original one?

Look in the alias list /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf. You can order those however you like to implement a system-wide change. Also you may find different font sizes in YaST2 than elsewhere if you don't run qtconfig to change QT font size to match sizes you change in "personal settings" -> "fonts". -- "Suppos [sic] a nation in some distant region, should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopa, What a paradise would this region be!" John Adams, 2nd US President Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rodney Baker

14:39

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:57:50 Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2010/04/26 16:19 (GMT+0200) Istvan Gabor composed:

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I have installed font packages and now fonts of yast2 titles, like "Starting the Software Manager", "Hardware Information" etc. are different and ugly. How cold I trace which font is used for these titles and set it back to the original one?

Look in the alias list /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf. You can order those however you like to implement a system-wide change.

Also you may find different font sizes in YaST2 than elsewhere if you don't run qtconfig to change QT font size to match sizes you change in "personal settings" -> "fonts".

Also, remember that Yast2 runs as root and therefore reads the root user's profile rather than the currently logged-on user, so in order to change Yast2's appearance (themes, colours etc.) you have to set those for root to match your normal user profile (at least, I found that to be the case for KDE4). -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au =================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Istvan Gabor

28 Apr 28 Apr

09:53

2010. április 26. 16:39 napon Rodney Baker írta:

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:57:50 Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2010/04/26 16:19 (GMT+0200) Istvan Gabor composed:

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I have installed font packages and now fonts of yast2 titles, like "Starting the Software Manager", "Hardware Information" etc. are different and ugly. How cold I trace which font is used for these titles and set it back to the original one?

Look in the alias list /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf. You can order those however you like to implement a system-wide change.

Also you may find different font sizes in YaST2 than elsewhere if you don't run qtconfig to change QT font size to match sizes you change in "personal settings" -> "fonts".

Also, remember that Yast2 runs as root and therefore reads the root user's profile rather than the currently logged-on user, so in order to change Yast2's appearance (themes, colours etc.) you have to set those for root to match your normal user profile (at least, I found that to be the case for KDE4).

Thanks four your replies and sorry for the delayed response. In /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf I have the following entries as the first few at each main groups: <family>serif</family> <prefer> <family>Times New Roman</family> <family>Thorndale AMT</family> <family>DejaVu Serif</family> ... <family>sans-serif</family> <prefer> <family>Arial</family> <family>Albany AMT</family> <family>Verdana</family> ... <family>monospace</family> <prefer> <family>Courier New</family> <family>Consolas</family> <family>Andale Mono</family> None of these that I have at all looks similar to the one is used in yast2 titles. And, if I change font type in qtconfig as root, the font type in yast window changes immediately except the abovementioned title font. It remains strange and ugly. See the sample images, in qtconfig font type/size is set to: Sans Serif 10 pt: http://i40.tinypic.com/34tem80.jpg Sans Serif 14 pt: http://i42.tinypic.com/rw15y0.jpg Serif 10 pt: http://i40.tinypic.com/2m349cm.jpg Serif 14 pt: http://i43.tinypic.com/in5mit.jpg The text "/etc/sysconfig Editor" looked normal earlier. How could I change it back to use normal font? Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

10:35

On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 11:53 +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:

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None of these that I have at all looks similar to the one is used in yast2 titles. And, if I change font type in qtconfig as root, the font type in yast window changes immediately except the abovementioned title font. It remains strange and ugly.

I get the exact same thing with the exact same font. It looked a bit like a 'lounge' style. I thought the yast devs were being artistic :) In fact, I have not mentioned it because I thought it was something only on my system. I seem to have lots of that... The other thing in yast is that the text that goes with the icons in the "Package Groups" list is disproportionately big. Like twice as big as all the fonts used elsewhere. It looks rather ugly. It is probably because the icons are so big. I wonder why the icons need to be so big? It is not like my vision is impaired on only that part of the display :) -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Istvan Gabor

13:30

2010. április 28. 12:35 napon Roger Oberholtzer írta:

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On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 11:53 +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:

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None of these that I have at all looks similar to the one is used in yast2 titles. And, if I change font type in qtconfig as root, the font type in yast window changes immediately except the abovementioned title font. It remains strange and ugly.

I get the exact same thing with the exact same font. It looked a bit like a 'lounge' style. I thought the yast devs were being artistic :) In fact, I have not mentioned it because I thought it was something only on my system. I seem to have lots of that...

The other thing in yast is that the text that goes with the icons in the "Package Groups" list is disproportionately big. Like twice as big as all the fonts used elsewhere. It looks rather ugly. It is probably because the icons are so big. I wonder why the icons need to be so big? It is not like my vision is impaired on only that part of the display :)

You mean the fonts in Software Manager -> Package Groups tab? I can confirm that they are really large, not very intuitive. It would be nice to have a description how to set/tweak the font and icon view for yast2. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

13:53

On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 15:30 +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:

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You mean the fonts in Software Manager -> Package Groups tab?

Those are the ones. Butt ugly size. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

11:55

On 2010/04/28 11:53 (GMT+0200) Istvan Gabor composed:

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Rodney Baker wrote:

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:57:50 Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2010/04/26 16:19 (GMT+0200) Istvan Gabor composed:

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I have installed font packages and now fonts of yast2 titles, like "Starting the Software Manager", "Hardware Information" etc. are different and ugly. How cold I trace which font is used for these titles and set it back to the original one?

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Look in the alias list /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf. You can order those however you like to implement a system-wide change.

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Also you may find different font sizes in YaST2 than elsewhere if you don't run qtconfig to change QT font size to match sizes you change in "personal settings" -> "fonts".

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Also, remember that Yast2 runs as root and therefore reads the root user's profile rather than the currently logged-on user, so in order to change Yast2's appearance (themes, colours etc.) you have to set those for root to match your normal user profile (at least, I found that to be the case for KDE4).

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Thanks four your replies and sorry for the delayed response.

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In /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf I have the following entries as the first few at each main groups:

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<family>serif</family> <prefer> <family>Times New Roman</family> <family>Thorndale AMT</family> <family>DejaVu Serif</family> ...

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<family>sans-serif</family> <prefer> <family>Arial</family> <family>Albany AMT</family> <family>Verdana</family> ...

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<family>monospace</family> <prefer> <family>Courier New</family> <family>Consolas</family> <family>Andale Mono</family>

Are all 3 of those in the sans-serif list actually installed? If not, something else lower in the list is being used for /etc/sysconfig Editor. Likely #s 4-5 are DejaVu Sans/Bitstream Vera Sans.

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None of these that I have at all looks similar to the one is used in yast2 titles. And, if I change font type in qtconfig as root, the font type in yast window changes immediately except the abovementioned title font. It remains strange and ugly.

The trouble with the font used for /etc/sysconfig Editor looks like one of hinting/bytecode. Which openSUSE version are you using? Exactly which font package(s) did you install? Which X desktop do you use?

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See the sample images, in qtconfig font type/size is set to:

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Sans Serif 10 pt: http://i40.tinypic.com/34tem80.jpg

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Sans Serif 14 pt: http://i42.tinypic.com/rw15y0.jpg

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Serif 10 pt: http://i40.tinypic.com/2m349cm.jpg

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Serif 14 pt: http://i43.tinypic.com/in5mit.jpg

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The text "/etc/sysconfig Editor" looked normal earlier. How could I change it back to use normal font?

Maybe reinstalling DejaVu fonts will fix your problem, or adding Liberation fonts. If you still have an agfa-fonts rpm available, which supplies Thorndale and Albany AMT, try installing it. Or if you don't have M$ fonts installed, try installing them, or at least Arial (and/or Verdana if you can stand its bloated x-height). Also verify in your desktop's fonts settings that suitable settings for anti-alias and hinting exist. I think the hinting default is "full", which I dislike (as it usually looks more like "none") and always change to "medium". -- "Suppos [sic] a nation in some distant region, should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopa, What a paradise would this region be!" John Adams, 2nd US President Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Istvan Gabor

14:05

2010. április 28. 13:55 napon Felix Miata írta: snip

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In /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf I have the following entries as the first few at each main groups:

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serif

Times New Roman Thorndale AMT DejaVu Serif ...

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sans-serif

Arial Albany AMT Verdana ...

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monospace

Courier New Consolas Andale Mono

Are all 3 of those in the sans-serif list actually installed? If not, something else lower in the list is being used for /etc/sysconfig Editor. Likely #s 4-5 are DejaVu Sans/Bitstream Vera Sans.

I have Arial and Verdana, don't have Albany AMT. But if Arial is available why would be any of the remaining on the list used?

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None of these that I have at all looks similar to the one is used in yast2 titles. And, if I change font type in qtconfig as root, the font type in yast window changes immediately except the abovementioned title font. It remains strange and ugly.

The trouble with the font used for /etc/sysconfig Editor looks like one of hinting/bytecode. Which openSUSE version are you using? Exactly which font package(s) did you install? Which X desktop do you use?

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rpm -qa|grep -i fonts|sort bpg-fonts-0.20050518-182.1.noarch droid-fonts-1.0-3.1.noarch ec-fonts-mftraced-1.0.12-244.1.noarch fetchmsttfonts-11.2-6.6.12.noarch fonts-config-20080121-54.2.noarch fonts-thryomanes-1.2-169.1.noarch free-ttf-fonts-1.0-342.1.noarch ghostscript-fonts-other-8.64-6.2.1.i586 ghostscript-fonts-std-8.64-6.2.1.i586

I have openSUSE 11.2 with KDE 3.5. I have Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New fonts (all msttcorefonts). I have these font packages: pullin-msttf-fonts-11.2-6.6.7.noarch sgi-fonts-1.0-927.1.noarch tv-fonts-1.1-425.1.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-7.4-6.3.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-core-7.4-6.3.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-devel-7.4-5.1.i586

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See the sample images, in qtconfig font type/size is set to:

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Sans Serif 10 pt: http://i40.tinypic.com/34tem80.jpg

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Sans Serif 14 pt: http://i42.tinypic.com/rw15y0.jpg

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Serif 10 pt: http://i40.tinypic.com/2m349cm.jpg

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Serif 14 pt: http://i43.tinypic.com/in5mit.jpg

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The text "/etc/sysconfig Editor" looked normal earlier. How could I change it back to use normal font?

Maybe reinstalling DejaVu fonts will fix your problem, or adding Liberation fonts. If you still have an agfa-fonts rpm available, which supplies Thorndale and Albany AMT, try installing it. Or if you don't have M$ fonts installed, try installing them, or at least Arial (and/or Verdana if you can stand its bloated x-height).

I reinstalled Dejavu fonts, added Liberation fonts, step by step. Could not find agfa fonts. Arial, Verdana, I had already. No change.

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Also verify in your desktop's fonts settings that suitable settings for anti-alias and hinting exist. I think the hinting default is "full", which I dislike (as it usually looks more like "none") and always change to "medium".

I use antialiasing at medium hinting level too. Here you can see how it looks 'normal' on another system (and previously on this system): Sans-Serif-10pt-OK: http://i41.tinypic.com/ftotua.jpg Sans-Serif-14pt-OK: http://i40.tinypic.com/ie2fzn.jpg Serif-10pt-OK: http://i39.tinypic.com/vox6cn.jpg Serif-14pt-OK: http://i43.tinypic.com/2vt5o1v.jpg Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

14:21

On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 16:05 +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:

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I have openSUSE 11.2 with KDE 3.5. I have Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New fonts (all msttcorefonts).

I have these font packages:

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rpm -qa|grep -i fonts|sort bpg-fonts-0.20050518-182.1.noarch droid-fonts-1.0-3.1.noarch ec-fonts-mftraced-1.0.12-244.1.noarch fetchmsttfonts-11.2-6.6.12.noarch fonts-config-20080121-54.2.noarch fonts-thryomanes-1.2-169.1.noarch free-ttf-fonts-1.0-342.1.noarch ghostscript-fonts-other-8.64-6.2.1.i586 ghostscript-fonts-std-8.64-6.2.1.i586 pullin-msttf-fonts-11.2-6.6.7.noarch sgi-fonts-1.0-927.1.noarch tv-fonts-1.1-425.1.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-7.4-6.3.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-core-7.4-6.3.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-devel-7.4-5.1.i586

For me (same problem) it is openSUSE 11.2 and KDE4 (currently 4.3.5-4.34, but it has always done this), with these fonts installed: droid-fonts-1.0-3.1.noarch fetchmsttfonts-11.2-6.6.12.noarch fonts-config-20080121-54.2.noarch ghostscript-fonts-other-8.64-6.2.1.i586 ghostscript-fonts-std-8.64-6.2.1.i586 liberation-fonts-1.03-2.1.noarch patterns-openSUSE-fonts-11.3-1.1.1.i586 patterns-openSUSE-fonts_opt-11.3-1.1.1.i586 pullin-msttf-fonts-11.2-6.6.7.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-7.4-17.1.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-core-7.4-17.1.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-devel-7.4-12.1.i586 -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

14:52

On 2010/04/28 10:05 (GMT-0400) Istvan Gabor composed:

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2010. Ã¡prilis 28. 13:55 napon Felix Miata Ãrta:

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In /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf I have the following entries as the first few at each main groups:

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serif

Times New Roman Thorndale AMT DejaVu Serif ...

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sans-serif

Arial Albany AMT Verdana ...

...
monospace

Courier New Consolas Andale Mono

Are all 3 of those in the sans-serif list actually installed? If not, something else lower in the list is being used for /etc/sysconfig Editor. Likely #s 4-5 are DejaVu Sans/Bitstream Vera Sans.

I have Arial and Verdana, don't have Albany AMT. But if Arial is available why would be any of the remaining on the list used?

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None of these that I have at all looks similar to the one is used in yast2 titles. And, if I change font type in qtconfig as root, the font type in yast window changes immediately except the abovementioned title font. It remains strange and ugly.

The trouble with the font used for /etc/sysconfig Editor looks like one of hinting/bytecode. Which openSUSE version are you using? Exactly which font package(s) did you install? Which X desktop do you use?

I have openSUSE 11.2 with KDE 3.5. I have Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New fonts (all msttcorefonts).

I have these font packages:

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rpm -qa|grep -i fonts|sort bpg-fonts-0.20050518-182.1.noarch droid-fonts-1.0-3.1.noarch ec-fonts-mftraced-1.0.12-244.1.noarch fetchmsttfonts-11.2-6.6.12.noarch fonts-config-20080121-54.2.noarch fonts-thryomanes-1.2-169.1.noarch free-ttf-fonts-1.0-342.1.noarch ghostscript-fonts-other-8.64-6.2.1.i586 ghostscript-fonts-std-8.64-6.2.1.i586 pullin-msttf-fonts-11.2-6.6.7.noarch sgi-fonts-1.0-927.1.noarch tv-fonts-1.1-425.1.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-7.4-6.3.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-core-7.4-6.3.noarch xorg-x11-fonts-devel-7.4-5.1.i586

Several of those I'm not familiar with. I suppose it's possible one or more have a dedicated alias that overrides the generics from /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf. Digging through /etc/fonts*conf you might find such a thing.

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From your list I don't have: bpg-fonts, ec-fonts-mftraced, fonts-thryomanes, free-ttf-fonts or sgi-fonts. You could try removing one or more of them.

I have that you don't: patterns-openSUSE-fonts, patterns-openSUSE-fonts-opt. Maybe installing those would fix something.

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See the sample images, in qtconfig font type/size is set to:

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Sans Serif 10 pt: http://i40.tinypic.com/34tem80.jpg

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Sans Serif 14 pt: http://i42.tinypic.com/rw15y0.jpg

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The text "/etc/sysconfig Editor" looked normal earlier. How could I change it back to use normal font?

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Maybe reinstalling DejaVu fonts will fix your problem, or adding Liberation fonts. If you still have an agfa-fonts rpm available, which supplies Thorndale and Albany AMT, try installing it. Or if you don't have M$ fonts installed, try installing them, or at least Arial (and/or Verdana if you can stand its bloated x-height).

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I reinstalled Dejavu fonts, added Liberation fonts, step by step. Could not find agfa fonts. Arial, Verdana, I had already. No change.

I was suggesting one or maybe two of the above, not all. For most people there's no need for agfa-fonts if M$ fonts are installed.

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Also verify in your desktop's fonts settings that suitable settings for anti-alias and hinting exist. I think the hinting default is "full", which I dislike (as it usually looks more like "none") and always change to "medium".

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I use antialiasing at medium hinting level too.

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Here you can see how it looks 'normal' on another system (and previously on this system):

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Sans-Serif-10pt-OK: http://i41.tinypic.com/ftotua.jpg

http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/ss112-kde3-yast-sysconfig-editor-120dpi.png is 11.2/3.5.x on the puter connected to my TV.

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Sans-Serif-14pt-OK: http://i40.tinypic.com/ie2fzn.jpg

Do you have anything in ~/.fonts? -- "Suppos [sic] a nation in some distant region, should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopa, What a paradise would this region be!" John Adams, 2nd US President Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Istvan Gabor

16:11

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Hello: I carefully looked at all of my installed fonts in KDE font installer and found that the ugly font is FifthLeg contained by package fifth-leg-font-0.3-3.1.noarch. Description: fifth-leg-font - Font for the openSUSE Brand The Fifth Leg font is the font used for openSUSE branded material. Deinstalling it resulted in the former nice fonts. Still I would like to know how yast2 chooses this font for its titles. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

16:44

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On Wednesday 28 April 2010 18:11:34 Istvan Gabor wrote:

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Still I would like to know how yast2 chooses this font for its titles.

It's part of the theme. It is set by /usr/share/YaST2/current/wizard/style.qss, the #DialogHeading section. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

16:46

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On Wednesday 28 April 2010 18:44:59 I wrote:

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It's part of the theme. It is set by /usr/share/YaST2/current/wizard/style.qss, the #DialogHeading section.

There should be a "theme" in there too. The correct path is /usr/share/YaST2/theme/current/wizard That's what I get for typing instead of copying Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

29 Apr 29 Apr

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On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 18:44 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Wednesday 28 April 2010 18:11:34 Istvan Gabor wrote:

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Still I would like to know how yast2 chooses this font for its titles.

It's part of the theme. It is set by /usr/share/YaST2/current/wizard/style.qss, the #DialogHeading section.

Understood. But why a default theme with such an unusual font that looks so out of place is a system-level tool? Removing this rpm "fixed" it for me as well. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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