On 2012-09-15 18:31 (GMT+0300) ellanios82 composed:

Now, i am not so clever to succeed to Import my old email archives, and am left Defeated :))

Importing isn't necessary if you stick with KMail3, which still has at least one happy user. See e.g. this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2012-09/msg00102.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 17:14:26 +0200 C wrote:

KMail is admittedly having a few issues here and there.

Like upgrade path. It was always major pain to get old setup and mails in a new openSUSE installation. Each time I lost some of customizations that exist in KMail configuration and that I used. One would suspect that kmailrc will hold all changes, but it didn't. In recent versions (not KMail2) user interface was set to default that breaks threads with listing by the time. After some reading I found out how to set up classic one. That was another drop in a glass of dissatisfaction. When KMail2 was introduced with email storage hidden in some DB, with import and export tools missing, it was time to look elsewhere. My current mailer (Claws Mail) has its own warts, but moving stuff from installation to installation is simple. Move directories before running application for the first time and start application. All your mails, filters and settings are in place.

But it's not completely broken, nor is it abandoned by the developers. It is being improved - check the bug reports. ....

Good for kmail users :) Although, I bet that moving mails and settings, ie. migration, is still pain, which makes KMail suitable only for use case that is better served by webmail. Power users that actually need mail clients are left in the dust - in other words - someone missed the point. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:00:13 +0200 Sven Burmeister wrote:

E-Mails are stored in folders as before.

Nice. Let me post my search for those files. I tried to find where they are gone and after looking in: /mnt/12.1/home//Mail/ there was nothing, except Claws Mail storage, but it can happen that I did not specify ~/Mail/kmail, so it was stored in default location. Next: /mnt/12.1/home//.kde4/share/apps/kmail2/ again nothing. As some mails after a lot of hours of import process, were imported to KMail2, it was time to look other locations, and Akonadi was good candidate. /mnt/12.1/home//.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data/ Has a lot of files in a plain text and mails are really stored as files, but that doesn't change the fact that for access via KMail2 you need Akonadi. Even directory name is "file_db_data" so it is part of "some Akonadi DB". Add to that what was mentioned in last email: * UI defaults that break power user workflow ie. mail lists thread handling; which adds list of items to manually set up. * one has to customize UI on each new installation; somehow kmailrc from old installation will not transfer all UI settings. * default to remove mails from server, which was good 10 years ago, but not now. Companies are offering gigabytes per account, so one can keep emails forever. Problem is when you set up kmail in the VirtualBox and once you forget to set cleanup after 7 day; it vacuums your account and you have to look elsewhere to find your emails. * complicated import that is extremely slow; it takes hours to complete. I found reference somewhere that it takes 1 second per email. I have in opensuse@opensuse.org 11000 emails since last year. That is 11000 seconds, or 183 minutes, or 3 hours to migrate. My old kmail opensuse folder was much bigger. * for those that have mix of mbox and maildir folders that slow import is 2 pass process. I had such setup because it was taking few seconds to open folder, with a lot of messages, in maildir format, and fraction of the second for mbox. Later, for some reason, new folders were created in maildir format, and as new folder with not much emails in it is fast to open I did not figure out that mailbox is no more default. When I found out it was too much work to convert, so left that as is, with first major problem when new KMail2 arrived. To be honest, I'm missing some stuff that I was used to, like: * mark thread as read in 1-click, * find messages marked as important, todo, etc * custom folder icons, * recent addresses, * nicely formatted header, and probably few more. With Claws Mail I have application that just works from one installation to the other and migration is more then simple. No more fiddling and manual interventions, that I always had with KMail. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org